Ace Ventura: Pet Detective - Could this even be made today?

Speaker A: 00:00:01

Don't open a movie with a Morgan Creek studio title. And then don't show me Robin Hood. Prince of Thieves. Yeah, I need. I need to save us all. I, I do, I do have some.

A trashy movie that I do want to put forward at some point.

Speaker B: 00:00:27

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Speaker B: 00:00:51

y. Ace ventura Pet Detective,: 1994

Last week it was 94 and he also had two other movies come out at the same year.

Speaker C: 00:01:06

Oh, okay. So we were debating which years they were in. So they were all in the same year.

Speaker B: 00:01:10

Yeah. Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, February, the Mask came out in July and Dumb and Dumber came out in December.

Speaker A: 00:01:16

That's insane that the studio were just like, yeah, we're just gonna go all in on this guy. We're just gonna take the full risk on this guy who is not a movie star, has got a very niche following.

Speaker B: 00:01:27

But fuck it, he's a comedian known for his improvisation.

Speaker A: 00:01:29

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:01:30

before that. So In January of: 1994

Speaker C: 00:01:38

That's amazing. He made all the money and then he could demand like crazy salary.

Speaker B: 00:01:42

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:01:43

So by 95 he was in Batman Forever and then it was things like Cable Guy, Liar Liar. Well, there's loads. Wasn't there?

Speaker A: 00:01:51

It really was.

Speaker B: 00:01:52

He also feels like a character though that like as his acting style has a very short window because it's gimmicky and like you can't repeat that in a movie.

Speaker C: 00:02:01

ne. Yeah, that was just about: 2000

Speaker A: 00:02:12

Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:02:14

So, yeah.

Speaker B: 00:02:14

Okay. So this is part one, the nutshell. So in the nutshell we break the movie down Spoiler free to help you decide if any.

Ace Ventura is your kind of movie, if it's worth your time. So how do we break this down for someone who hasn't seen it? So this is a comedy based around one character.

Speaker C: 00:02:29

It's about a pet detective. So it's a bit of a link into our American football from last week.

Speaker B: 00:02:34

True. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:02:35

Where it's about the Miami Dolphins, which is American football team, whose mascot, their symbol is a dolphin. So in this film, they have a mascot that is a dolphin called Snowflake, and he goes missing. So they have to hire a Ace Ventura pet detective on a.

Speaker B: 00:02:50

On a recommendation from an old lady who's. They found his dog.

Speaker C: 00:02:53

That's right. So we meet this character, Ace Ventura, pet detective, and he solves the mystery of the missing dolphin. That's kind of the.

Speaker B: 00:03:00

Tries to.

Speaker C: 00:03:01

He tries to solve the mystery of the missing dolphin. That's kind of it in a nutshell. Most of it's more about. It's Jim Carrey's showcase to be the zaniest.

Speaker B: 00:03:10

I mean, the tone is exaggerated, energetic, unpredictable, with humor that comes from behavior, reactions, and how far situations are pushed.

Speaker C: 00:03:18

Oh, it's juvenile. It's juvenile humor. It's very much in the spirit of things like.

I wrote some down because I thought this is probably the best way to give them a sense of this.

It's probably things like spoof films, Hot Shots, Darren's favorite stuff, like something about Mary, Scary Movie, American Pie, Team America, World Police, south park, they say that one. The Top Secret, maybe one with Val Kilmer, sort of spoofy stuff. Anchorman, you know, where it's over the top kind of humor.

Speaker B: 00:03:48

Definitely over the top.

Speaker A: 00:03:49

Yeah. I had Legally Blonde, Beverly Hills Cop meets the Mask.

Speaker C: 00:03:54

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:03:54

Because it's a fish out of water thing as well.

Speaker B: 00:03:57

I had the Mask meets the Police Academy.

Speaker C: 00:03:59

Yeah. That's cool as well.

Speaker A: 00:04:00

But it's like Elwood in Legally Blonde in that everyone thinks he's an idiot and then he kind of wows, which.

Speaker B: 00:04:06

He is, but he. He can also do his job.

Speaker C: 00:04:09

Exactly.

Speaker A: 00:04:10

Also had the Big Lebowski meets Hot Shots. I would like all of the praise for Hot Shots.

Speaker C: 00:04:17

That is very good you reference.

Speaker B: 00:04:19

Even though it makes you want to throw up when you say it.

Speaker A: 00:04:20

Yes, exactly.

Speaker C: 00:04:21

Therapy has helped in a way.

Speaker A: 00:04:23

This is. This isn't a film noir, but it kind of is a film noir.

Speaker B: 00:04:26

Explain.

Speaker C: 00:04:27

I get that.

Speaker A: 00:04:27

Okay. Because it doesn't have the lighting, but it has a detective, and it opens like a.

You know, the open shot is Like a detective guy walking down the road and it turns out he's, you know,.

Speaker C: 00:04:36

And he's on another case, which often happens.

Speaker B: 00:04:38

Can we just say what happened in the chat on the other night when we're watching this ice put in our chat, I put a screenshot of my TV going, oh, I'm finally sitting down to watch Ace Ventura. And it was the title credits where he's kicking the box along. Darren sends almost the exact same screenshot.

Speaker C: 00:04:54

From almost the same moment synced up.

Speaker B: 00:04:56

And then you message going, I'm on my way home, I'm about to watch it.

Speaker C: 00:04:59

Yeah, I literally had it on the side where you watch him. Like I'm just behind the guys. If I'd have got home sooner, I'd have been on the screen.

Speaker B: 00:05:05

We may as well just met together and watched it all together.

Speaker C: 00:05:08

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:05:09

So film now without the lighting. Basically he's a detective who has a mystery to, to solve and he comes across all these kind of little bit over the top characters.

You also have multiple femme fatales and kind of a male gaze. So I think one of the first cases he solves, the girl is like, oh, is there some way I can repay you? Like, meaning sex.

And she's, you know, it's got the kind of. Is it sexual saxophone music?

Speaker C: 00:05:34

Yeah, I could take your pants off instead. Gee, let me think.

Speaker B: 00:05:39

Real friendly around here.

Speaker C: 00:05:40

Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker A: 00:05:41

Exactly. And then, you know, there's. He's surrounded by detectives and then there's another kind of femme fatale in it.

And yeah, it's film ra, but without the downer ending and without the lighting. So it's kind of almost like a psychological crime thriller, but in the style.

Speaker C: 00:06:00

Austin Powers or something like that.

Speaker A: 00:06:02

In the style of Color by Numbers. Yeah, a finger painting version of a psychological thriller.

Speaker C: 00:06:09

That is a good nutshell right there.

Speaker B: 00:06:11

I mean, there's a constant sense of chaos in how scenes play out in this. Like normal situations quickly become anything but. And it's all driven by Jim Carrey. His character in this.

Speaker C: 00:06:20

He's all over the place, basically.

Speaker B: 00:06:23

He is somehow he seems to get work.

Speaker C: 00:06:27

But then of course, it's very much the showcase of his wackiness because we were discussing this just before we went live around. What did he do before Ace Ventura? And he. He'd been in a couple of bit parts. Like I think he was in Earth Girls Easy.

Earth Girls Are Easy with Jeff Goldblum and he was in a TV show. It wasn't, we thought it was Saturday Night Live, but it Wasn't it was In Living Color or something.

Speaker B: 00:06:51

Yeah. So he's known for sort of. He did stand up as well.

Speaker C: 00:06:54

Yeah. And he did zany characters in his.

Speaker B: 00:06:55

Stand up as well. And then he was on TV shows doing improvisation.

Speaker C: 00:06:58

That's right.

Speaker B: 00:06:59

Really good at.

Speaker C: 00:07:00

Yeah. And then obviously they threw him at this role and said, yeah, do. Do your thing. And a lot of it is him just improvising. So it's.

It's the showcase that then launched him into what, a year?

Speaker B: 00:07:11

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:07:12

And Courtney Cox is in it. But this is probably 94.

Speaker B: 00:07:15

It's. I don't know, it's just before Friends.

Speaker C: 00:07:17

No, it's the same year. All right. Friends long. I don't know what month, but same year.

Speaker B: 00:07:21

Yeah. Because this came out in February, so she'll have done that and obviously.

Speaker C: 00:07:24

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: 00:07:25

Before Friends.

Speaker C: 00:07:26

So she'll have been sort of come.

Speaker B: 00:07:27

Out just before Friends because she was.

Speaker C: 00:07:29

Probably the most famous of the Friends because she'd done a few things. I'm going to say Masters of the Universe because that's what I grew up watching her in.

May have had a secret crush on her and Masters the Universe, but, yeah, so she was kind of the film star. And then Friends launched, obviously, same year.

Speaker B: 00:07:45

What kind of watch is this? Darren?

Speaker A: 00:07:46

You kind of mentioned him, actually. Really? The director has done a lot of other movies that are for this watch, like Ly Liar and the Naughty Professor, Saw My E and stuff like that.

So it's. It's probably a bit of a drinking film again.

Speaker C: 00:07:58

Yeah. Very daft. Over the top comedy.

Speaker A: 00:08:00

Yeah. You want to be a group of you, I think. I mean, you could maybe watch it on a date maybe, or like with your partner.

But I think it works better with a bunch of you where you don't always want to be watching the movie, watching it solidly.

Speaker C: 00:08:12

It's like there.

Speaker A: 00:08:13

It's like a background.

Speaker B: 00:08:14

People like, oh, watch this bit. Watch this bit.

Speaker A: 00:08:15

Yeah, exactly Right. I think that works well.

Speaker C: 00:08:17

It's also probably for our age group, maybe a nostalgic movie.

But if you're watching it out of the gate as a younger person, it's obviously going to be a different experience to what we had, which I'm sure we'll dig into when we open the box and unbox it. But it was a good example of generational maybe because when we saw it, we were a certain age.

But then I remember, like, dad coming in and being like, oh, he couldn't cope with the zaniness.

Speaker B: 00:08:42

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:08:43

And it only took him like 30 seconds to be like, oh, it's too much and walk away.

Speaker B: 00:08:47

I was. I was 30.

Speaker C: 00:08:49

I checked out. I was about 11.

Speaker B: 00:08:50

And you'd have been older.

Speaker C: 00:08:55

He was 27,.

Speaker A: 00:08:58

Like 17.

Speaker C: 00:08:59

So we'll have all had slightly different experiences with that. I remember I was probably first year of senior school.

Speaker B: 00:09:04

Somewhere around there, you were going, what's she doing to him down there?

Speaker C: 00:09:07

Yeah, some of it probably went right over my head, but. But we're all singing that song.

Speaker B: 00:09:14

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:09:14

Probably didn't realize the context, but singing the song and just doing endless impressions of Ace Ventura in the playground.

Speaker B: 00:09:20

Very quotable movie. There's lots of lines and scenes in there. Everyone, everyone. You see all the clips and everyone references.

Speaker C: 00:09:25

I think that's what made me think of Austin Powers because that's very kind of a character that drove a lot of catchphrases and things like that.

Speaker B: 00:09:31

Yeah, it's a very fast moving, simple. There's not a lot. It's not overly complicated. It's. It's. It's pretty. Does what it says on the tin. That takes us into part two, the unboxing.

So spoiler territory ahead. If you haven't seen Ace Pet Detective and we've helped you decide you want to watch it, we recommend you go and do so now and then come back.

Because from this point forward there will be spoilers in the unboxing. We have what did you miss? Where we'll reveal things you may have missed, details you didn't notice. Even if you've seen the movie before.

Paul has his formidable facts of the day.

And then we round off with hate it or rate it, where we each give give a brief opinion score out of 10 and we see where it lands on the Legend League. So what did we miss, Mr. Horn?

Speaker A: 00:10:12

Main thing is this idea that the genre isn't always that clear, that it could be like a psychological kind of thriller or it could be a film noir. Other than that, watching it again, there was a lot of signs of what was going to happen. There was a lot of foreshadowing.

Like there was 100% basically that iron Horn is going to be a man.

Speaker B: 00:10:33

I didn't get pick up on that.

Speaker A: 00:10:34

Okay, so there was.

Speaker C: 00:10:36

I've seen it that many times that I just know that's coming.

Speaker B: 00:10:39

So I know it's coming, but I don't. I don't remember being pointed in that direction.

Speaker A: 00:10:43

So first time he meets Einhorn, he says, holy testicle Tuesday. Which I would take as a meaning is she's quite a masculine character. Then she there's also the toilet scene where she goes to think about it.

Speaker B: 00:11:00

Doesn't seem like she doesn't sit down.

Speaker A: 00:11:01

She does not sit down. You hear it kind of going on and you hear the stream. And then obviously when he kisses her, she said, he says, oh, your gun is digging into my hip.

Speaker C: 00:11:12

That's the only one I can think of, that one.

Speaker B: 00:11:14

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:11:15

All these other ones, I'm like, oh, yeah.

Speaker A: 00:11:17

Also the picture of Ray Finkel is Sean Young with a mustache.

Speaker C: 00:11:22

I always do wonder that. Now we know.

Speaker B: 00:11:26

Totally nice.

Speaker A: 00:11:27

So I don't know, it's a lot of foreshadowing, says it's going to come and then it obviously lands. But I still think it hides it well. I think that's kind of nice filmmaking when it's. They kind of give new hints.

Then you go back and it's, oh, it was there all along.

Speaker B: 00:11:39

I love that bit where he goes, who the hell is that? Who is that? There's a picture on the other side of the room as small as a full team. And he goes, that. How has he spotted that?

Speaker C: 00:11:48

Because. Because he's a good detective, that's why.

Speaker B: 00:11:50

So this, obviously this movie is completely dominated by Jim Carrey. As a fact. I have a fact of the day. I'll just slide in. He features in 89% of the screen time in this movie.

Speaker C: 00:11:59

That does not surprise me.

Speaker B: 00:12:00

So he's literally in everything Jim Carrey vehicle, this movie. It's built around him. It's. For him. He carries pretty much every scene in it. So I just. I hadn't realized it was that quite that. That high.

Speaker C: 00:12:09

The.

Speaker A: 00:12:10

Another thing, I mean, it's quite. I remember watching this being like, this guy's not even like a human. I kept wondering if Ace Ventura was a mask he was wearing in that.

It's just a character that he's. He's playing to make him seem like he's dumb.

Speaker C: 00:12:25

Yeah. So he's playing up the dumbness. So when he comes with the.

Speaker A: 00:12:28

Yeah, because there's loads of times.

Speaker B: 00:12:30

Well, because people were underestimating them.

Speaker A: 00:12:31

Exactly. Right. And you know, his character, I remember thinking he was just like this over the top flamingo of a man.

But then there was some stuff behind the scenes where it says, you know, his hair was styled on a cockatoo.

Speaker C: 00:12:43

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:12:45

There's a lot of like bird like qualities kind of coming out nuts.

Speaker B: 00:12:48

Birdseed. While he's watching the.

Speaker A: 00:12:49

Yeah, but I don't smoke.

Speaker C: 00:12:50

It's a disgusting habit.

Speaker A: 00:12:52

But then there's entire scenes where he's serious.

Speaker C: 00:12:54

That's true.

Speaker A: 00:12:55

So I was like, okay, he's just putting that on so that the police underestimate him. But then there's a scene where he's doing like Mission Impossible. Breaking into the.

Speaker B: 00:13:03

Nobody wants watching.

Speaker C: 00:13:05

Used to love that as a kid.

Speaker B: 00:13:07

The over dramatizing was such a simple thing that the doors there, the other doors there. He goes around over the fence, pretends to fall off, and then used to crack me up. Just physical comedy, though, in it.

Speaker C: 00:13:16

That's.

Speaker B: 00:13:17

That's part of expressing him as a character, getting him across. That's like. As a movie, like an actor. That's him.

Speaker C: 00:13:22

The spoofery. I mean. I mean, one of my favorite scenes is probably that part where he does go serious. They're all laughing at him and he's like.

Does the laugh thing. And then he goes, oh, and one more thing. And he kind of breaks down the whole thing with the soundproof door. And I'm like, yeah, it's pretty cool.

But again, foreshadowing. When you look at Sean Young's character now, you're like, oh, yeah, she realizes. Or do you realize they realize they've messed up.

Speaker A: 00:13:49

I always thought her acting was atrocious. I always thought that she. Her career had gone downhill since Blade Runner.

Speaker B: 00:13:55

Einhorn. Yeah, okay.

Speaker A: 00:13:57

And I thought that she was over the top and was just doing it for the money.

But then I read that she was really pleased she got the part and Jim Carrey fought for her to be in it and she really liked the fact that she could be over the top and be like a comedic character. So.

Speaker C: 00:14:12

So she was playing it as that.

Speaker A: 00:14:14

She was on purpose.

Speaker B: 00:14:15

I feel like this film isn't really. The plot is sort of a byproduct. It's by the side. Like, it's more about the evolution of the character and how he. It's all about him.

Like, the plot is almost secondary in a traditional sense.

Speaker A: 00:14:29

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:14:29

Which I hadn't really realized how much it is just about him. Like it's. It moves through the motions in the film, but everything revolves at what's he gonna do next?

Like flat scenes, like normal, simple things escalate just because of him the way.

Speaker C: 00:14:42

Heck, because of the chaos.

Speaker B: 00:14:43

Nobody else would. Nobody else would deal with it that way. But he. He does.

Speaker C: 00:14:47

Although if you think about. So the plot is quite slim, but if you think about it compared to modern movies and spoofs, at least it's got a plot.

I feel like if they made this today, I'm looking at you, Minecraft. I'M looking at you films similar to Minecraft or them spoof movies that just got out of hand where they didn't really have a plot.

It's just like, oh well, we'll just throw stuff. At least it did have a thread. And then be like, yeah, there's the thread of the plot. Go and do your thing.

Whereas Minecraft was a bit like, yeah, there's a world and another thing. And one of them, I can't remember if it was epic movie or disaster movie or one of them where Naked Gun again has a plot.

Frank Drebben gets to do his thing and it's hilarious. But there's a thread throughout it. Someone strapped, blub the queen or whatever.

Whereas you watch some of them spoof movies and it's just like there is no plot. It's just like, which films can we spoof? So at least it has got one.

I say in defense of it, I suppose, but it is like you say, it's mainly just about watching the chaos of. I mean, this is not a serious film. He catches a bullet in his teeth and I get to that bit. I'm like, oh, yeah.

Speaker B: 00:15:50

The rest of the episode driving his head side.

Speaker C: 00:15:53

Yeah. Because his windscreen gets merged.

Speaker A: 00:15:54

Do you think that happened or do you think. Sometimes I think this movie is his memory of what happened.

Speaker B: 00:16:01

Memoir.

Speaker A: 00:16:02

He's almost like, again, like Jane in between us, like telling other people.

Speaker C: 00:16:05

You know what? That's a really fun way of reading the movie.

Speaker B: 00:16:08

Yeah, like. Like this is exaggerated memoir.

Speaker C: 00:16:11

So if it had a voiceover, like film noir.

Speaker A: 00:16:13

Exactly.

Speaker C: 00:16:14

In fact, if it had a voiceover,.

Speaker B: 00:16:15

Would that make it.

Speaker C: 00:16:16

But that'd be interesting, wouldn't it? Like him talking like his own story.

Speaker A: 00:16:18

That'd be more like Naked Gun and stuff.

Speaker C: 00:16:20

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: 00:16:20

It's like a classic guy telling a story, like.

Speaker A: 00:16:22

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:16:23

So there was five of them. His wife's in the background.

Speaker A: 00:16:26

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker C: 00:16:27

Completed it, mate.

Speaker A: 00:16:28

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I. I found this dog and then this woman with huge boobs wanted to sleep with me. Yeah, of course she did. Yeah.

This very rich woman is not going to pay you your $120 for finding the dog. But are you all right?

Speaker B: 00:16:42

You should see the other guy.

Speaker A: 00:16:44

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:16:45

That's a. That's an interesting read of the film. Seeing it through his eyes.

Speaker B: 00:16:49

It's about the prestige where it was too inaccurate or like sort of embellished totally.

Speaker A: 00:16:54

Versions of the story breaks into like a millionaires. Well, goes to a millionaires party, whatever.

And then, I mean, again, there's foreshadowing that tension is quite fun, where it's basically the jaw shot, isn't it? Yeah. What's the dolphin called?

Speaker C: 00:17:06

Snowflake.

Speaker A: 00:17:07

Snowflake. And you're like, but that's not Snowflake.

Speaker B: 00:17:11

That's not Snowflake. That's not Snowflake.

Speaker A: 00:17:13

Yeah, but again, that's just. You don't fall. You don't fall into a shark tank and survive. Survive. And we don't even see how he survives. He just gets out.

Speaker B: 00:17:22

Yeah. Just the way he's like, like, flung around.

Speaker C: 00:17:24

This has more in common with that Bruce Willis film than I thought. Hudson Hawk.

Speaker A: 00:17:30

Oh, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:17:30

That was kind of a bit random. Like this. I wonder if that's what Hudson Hawk was trying to be like. But he couldn't decide on its tone. Maybe.

Speaker B: 00:17:37

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:17:38

Did that have a voiceover? I can't remember now. I feel like that threw everything.

Speaker A: 00:17:42

I think it has a little one at the beginning. Danny Aiello kind of introduce it.

Speaker C: 00:17:47

Yes. Set the tone in this gener. And you watch it now, obviously, we watched it back in the day with certain nostalgic glasses on.

I can see why it always pops up on the Internet saying, films that couldn't be made now.

Speaker B: 00:18:01

So what. What about this movie? Why are we not gonna say Darren?

Speaker A: 00:18:04

Okay, so what. I'm gonna say two things. Obviously, it can come across as transphobic because they find out that Einhorn's a man.

And then the reaction to that is very, very extreme. But you can take that in two ways. You could argue that all these guys are just. They're transphobes, basically. Then that. And they're homophobic.

And the idea of kissing a guy is repulsed. All of them.

Speaker B: 00:18:29

That's homophobic.

Speaker A: 00:18:31

bviously, you know, whatever,: 1994

It's not exploring that language. It probably. The society didn't have the language to kind of talk about.

Speaker C: 00:18:46

And this is not the sort of film that you would explore it in. Because as daft as we're saying.

Speaker A: 00:18:50

But the. All the characters are freaking idiots. Like, there's no mean.

Speaker C: 00:18:55

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:18:55

There's no one I look at and be like, oh, yeah, those guys should know better. They're just dickheads. Like, all the police are as well. Like, there's no likable character, really, in the movie at all.

I'm just trying to run through them all and not really. So it does Come across as transphobic and. Or homophobic and. Which isn't a great look, even down to the dolphin. Did you guys catch that in the.

In that montage where people are, like, being grossed out and kind of wiping their mouth?

Speaker B: 00:19:22

The dolphin was doing something.

Speaker A: 00:19:23

The dolphin did it and I missed her.

Speaker B: 00:19:25

I think the dolphin was going. Throwing its head.

Speaker C: 00:19:28

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker A: 00:19:29

Which I thought was like. First times I've watched it, I thought it was just like a way to move between scenes. Or the dolphin was like.

It was like, the dolphin's alive or whatever it is. But then I was like, wait, is she made up with the dolphin?

Speaker B: 00:19:41

Yes. I think that's what it was insinuating.

Speaker C: 00:19:43

So that's always how I just read it.

Speaker B: 00:19:46

Ridiculous. It was just trying to be ridiculous.

Speaker C: 00:19:48

She made out with everyone.

Speaker B: 00:19:49

Yeah. Including a dolphin. Even though doing that, it was spitting water out. Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:19:53

Which. Be honest, as a script, as a story, as like a mystery. That's pretty genius. Who comes up with this idea?

Okay, we're gonna have an American footballer who is really, really annoyed because he missed a kick because of these reasons.

Speaker B: 00:20:07

Blame someone.

Speaker A: 00:20:08

He's going to stew for eight years and he's going to come back and he's going to have worked his way up.

Speaker C: 00:20:12

It's all damn Marino's fault.

Speaker A: 00:20:14

Right? Yeah. That's insane. So I do. I. I don't know where. For what's annoying is. I did laugh. That's like.

And it was because the Crying Game music kicks in, which is from the.

Speaker C: 00:20:25

Movie Crying Game, which is like the spoof, isn't it?

Speaker A: 00:20:27

Yeah, it's kind of what, this spoofing? Yeah. That's a pretty serious movie. I think it's about the ioa.

Speaker C: 00:20:33

I've never seen it, but I always knew that that's what it was spoofing because of that.

Speaker A: 00:20:38

It's crazy how that song is so much linked to, like. I don't know. I don't know where to go with this, because they just don't want to get canceled. But I, I. What do you guys think?

Do you think it's offensive?

Speaker B: 00:20:50

In certain ways?

Speaker A: 00:20:50

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:20:51

Yeah. Like the transphobic thing is. Would offend some people. Definitely.

Speaker C: 00:20:55

It's how it's framed, isn't it? So by today's standards, you can see the reading of that film, but humor's subjective and the whole film's really daft.

So I can see why it ends up on that.

Speaker B: 00:21:06

If it was something that was made today, that wouldn't be. They wouldn't portray people's reaction like that they would like, oh, she's trans. Right. Get you now. It would be like, oh, my God.

Speaker A: 00:21:15

I think what worries me is you still get incidents where somebody has, I know, like say made up someone in a club or they've gone home and on the way home they found out that the person they've taken home is trans and then they get violent. And that's a worry because it's a pretty extreme. Obviously it's an extreme kind of reaction.

Speaker B: 00:21:33

So it's like not something to be made light of.

Speaker A: 00:21:35

But it was 94. I don't. I genuinely don't know where I stand with this. Like, I think it would.

I think it's definitely in poor taste and I don't think you would do it now.

Speaker B: 00:21:44

Agreed.

Speaker A: 00:21:44

But I do keep coming back to the fact that these characters are ridiculous.

Speaker B: 00:21:49

So that was the first thing that comes to mind. What else in this movie is dated or.

Speaker A: 00:21:52

I mean, this is even dated. I mean, they sexualize the women a lot. Although not Courtney Cox's character, really. I don't think she's ever really sexualized.

It's mainly that first person. Other than that, I mean, I think Jim Carrey is really handsome in this movie. Courtney Cox is beautiful.

I think there's times when Jim Carrey has a Han Solo esque kind of charm. He's, you know, really character. You know, he's attractive. He likes pets. He just wants to save animals. He's got a lot of green flowers.

Speaker C: 00:22:19

That's one thing this film does do. It's very much an advocate for animals. Yeah. Go animals.

Speaker A: 00:22:25

So, yeah, I'm kind of torn. And it. I feel like I. I would love to come down on it and be.

Speaker C: 00:22:30

Like, I feel like you're viewing it through the same lens as you would view something like south park, where part of it's kind of made to be offensive.

Speaker A: 00:22:38

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:22:38

Sometimes you think, how do they get away with that?

Speaker C: 00:22:40

Right. And maybe that's where the humor used to come from. Especially in the 90s, more so than now. And things like south park still push it.

I suppose they still try and push stuff out that you go, how are they getting away with that?

It's interesting what like you said, Aaron, it's interesting watching it through and obviously the nostalgia you linked to it, because for me, it's still very much that quotable film from the playground.

Speaker B: 00:23:01

It's one of the most quotable films ever.

Speaker A: 00:23:03

Yeah. I still do quote, I quote, nature calls the sequel a little bit more.

Speaker B: 00:23:07

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:23:08

But I definitely still quote this.

Speaker B: 00:23:09

Hi. I'm looking for Ray Finkel and a new pair of shorts.

Speaker A: 00:23:12

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:23:15

I have Psychoville and Fink. Hell's the Bear. Yeah. We could just do a whole episode of doing quotes.

Speaker B: 00:23:23

Simple things. All righty then. Like everyone. That's just one of those ones.

Speaker A: 00:23:26

Yummy.

Speaker B: 00:23:27

Yeah. What's the second one's in? The second one? Oh, no, no, it's in both. Like a glove.

Speaker A: 00:23:32

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:23:33

It's like things are like, I always.

Speaker A: 00:23:34

Like if I go into a car park, I always say, if I can just find a parking space, which is nature. Cause isn't it? Yeah, just fine.

Speaker B: 00:23:43

Or if I feel myself like if I've lost my friends or like nobody wants to play with me. You know, he's driving the big 4x4 the second one.

Speaker A: 00:23:51

So I don't know where I land on that. But yeah, I laughed when the Crying Game music kicked in because I was.

Speaker B: 00:23:56

Just like, which scene is that?

Speaker A: 00:23:58

It's. I think actually when is.

Speaker B: 00:24:01

I can't think of which scene that I don't know. I don't know what the crime is.

Speaker C: 00:24:03

It's when you figure it's the song.

Speaker B: 00:24:04

Yeah, I don't know it. Which one?

Speaker C: 00:24:06

It's the one where he's like, Einhorn is Finkel. Finkel is Einhorn.

Speaker B: 00:24:10

I was so engrossed in that scene, I didn't even notice the music.

Speaker C: 00:24:13

Oh, okay.

Speaker A: 00:24:14

I think it's an iconic song.

Speaker B: 00:24:16

Okay.

Speaker A: 00:24:16

It's just ridiculous to me because.

Speaker B: 00:24:18

Because when that scene, the things he's doing are so ridiculous.

Speaker A: 00:24:22

It is.

Speaker B: 00:24:23

Eat all the chewing gums and put the sucker thing on his face. Naked in the shower, crying.

Speaker A: 00:24:28

And he's had dogs lick his face.

Speaker B: 00:24:29

I know.

Speaker C: 00:24:31

Come to me, my jungle friends.

Speaker A: 00:24:32

But it's weird. Kind of building on the last episode, which was about racism. And we do have. Obviously we still have homophobia, but we have transphobia particularly.

So I think. Yeah, I think I'd rather this movie hadn't done that.

Speaker B: 00:24:44

I would second that. That takes us perfectly into Paul's fun facts of the day.

Speaker C: 00:24:51

So the short scene during the party where Ace pulls the cellist's arm as he walks by, making him go off dub note. Yeah, I was improvised. Oh, he just did that randomly by Jim Carrey.

Speaker B: 00:25:02

Yeah, I read a lot of the stuff in here and even the lines and some things all improvised.

Speaker C: 00:25:06

The voice of Ace Ventura and the manner in which he speaks was added by Jim Carrey only after several read throughs of the script. And the voice was something Carrie used in his stand up routine. The Alrighty then was a catchphrase of one of his stand up characters.

And after the lines from the script weren't feeling right, he added it into the script and read through it.

Speaker B: 00:25:22

Made it more Jim Carrey.

Speaker C: 00:25:23

Yeah. And he read through it again using that voice for all the lines and it just became his personality trait. So he created this.

Speaker B: 00:25:30

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:25:30

Creation of the character, I guess. The original. This is interesting. The original concept will be the judge of that. Could almost hear you saying that.

The original concept was that the Peck detective character was a bumbling idiot until Jim Carrey was cast and the character was then rewritten. And Carrie reportedly had two conditions for doing the movie. One, the comedy had to be zany as physically possible.

And his character, despite his quirks and eccentricity, should be good at what he does. Which is just what you're saying. Even though he's zany and everything.

Speaker B: 00:26:00

Still like a cover story, isn't it?

Speaker C: 00:26:02

So originally he was probably meant to be more bumbling, but he's so that's interesting your read of it. But maybe he's playing the character.

Speaker B: 00:26:09

A bit more balance in the character, some integrity. I've actually been able to do his job.

Speaker C: 00:26:13

Well, originally it wasn't written to be animal related, but more of a generic Sherlock Holmes parody. And the screenwriter Jack Bernstein came up with the pet detective idea after watching a David Letterman script sketch about pet owners.

So there you go.

There's a few moments during the scene at the Finkel house where Jim Carrey made hand puppets with the light from the movie projector and Tom Shaddock, the director, felt it was too late in the film and that the mystery was getting too involved for him. It'd be making jokes so they were cut. But the gag appears in the sequel Nature Calls. Because I was thinking, wasn't that in the film?

But yeah, that was the sequel. The ass talking scene that started in the Living Color series that he did.

Speaker B: 00:26:48

Excuse me, do you have a mint?

Speaker C: 00:26:50

That's the one.

Frustrated one day with Keenan Ivory Wayans constant rejection of his pitch sketches, Jim Carrey stood up and read a sketch from his book in Wayne's direction. The two almost fought before Wayans walked out of the room. Later we sat down, talked, and everything was cool. Wayne said, there you go.

So that's where it came from. Jim Carrey recruited Dan Marino for the movie by meeting him for lunch as Ace Ventura and harassing other patrons.

Speaker B: 00:27:12

I would like to see that. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:27:15

I wonder what Dan Marino thought of it all. Yeah, because he was like the biggest football player at the time.

Speaker A: 00:27:19

Yeah, it was time, I think, when the Mega Drive mega driver just come out. So he had like John Madden's American football and it was like Joe Montana, American Football and EA Sports.

Speaker B: 00:27:28

So they had Madden in America side and they had FIFA on the English side. And they kind of eventually, as time went on, would get released in all territories.

So everyone, because people, UK people started getting American football, vice versa. So.

Speaker C: 00:27:41

No, you're right. It was around that. I remember my brother had American football game and we didn't know how it worked to start with, but.

Sorry, Travis Kelsey, by the way. Please don't. Please don't beat me up. I just love your suit. B wife.

As expected, there were concerns mostly with Jim Carrey's performance from Morgan Creek, which is the production company. After watching dailies, they wondered if or even whether they would ever see the human side of Ace.

And as the director explains, he and his production team understood the cartoon nature of Ace, but also recognized how sweet and loyal the character was, especially when dealing with animals.

Speaker B: 00:28:11

That's when you see the real him whenever he's based around the animals.

Speaker C: 00:28:13

And it's funny how with some of these iconic characters, though, the first reaction of the production company is like, what's he doing? What's. Because I remember that was the Johnny Depp reaction for Jack Sparrow. Like, he can't do that. Like, no, that's what he's doing. It's like, what?

So the giant just don't get it.

Speaker B: 00:28:28

They just don't get it.

Speaker C: 00:28:29

Just don't get it. No. And then it becomes massive in the white. More sequels. Let's do that. Yeah.

The giant hook that Ace uses to knock out two of Einhorn's henchmen was originally supposed to knock their heads off. The filmmakers decided to quickly cut away so they survive instead. That would have been a very different film.

Speaker B: 00:28:44

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:28:45

Slightly outrage up to a 15. But, yeah, apparently that was the script.

Jim Carrey had his own personal chef on the set of the film, who was also required to prepare meals for Carrie's pet iguana. That's not bad for your first film, is it? To be able to make, like you say, Darren, did they just say, yeah, this is the guy.

Speaker B: 00:29:01

Give him everything he wants.

Speaker C: 00:29:02

Give him everything he wants. That's. Yeah, I can imagine that on his second film, but maybe not this one. Hey, there you go.

So apparently Rick Moranis turned down the role of Ace Ventura. There's actually loads. And we've done this before where it's like, everyone's considered.

But, yeah, he was One of the main ones that kept popping up, Rick Moranis, who's coming Back to Spaceballs 2.

Speaker B: 00:29:20

Spaceballs 2.

Speaker C: 00:29:22

2027, The new one.

Speaker B: 00:29:23

That's what they've called it so far, but initially they were going to stick to. Because he mentioned it in the original Spaceballs 2, the search for more Money.

Speaker C: 00:29:30

But then Mel Brooks has since come out and says we're not calling it that now. So I think he changed the name.

Speaker B: 00:29:35

He should have. Because.

Speaker C: 00:29:35

He should have as well. Because there's a little trailer of him. He's like, I found the money. And it's like a bag with Spaceballs the money or something.

Anyway, the fictitious shipping company in the opening scene is called HDS. When each individual letter is flipped 180 degrees, it reads UPS. The company clearly parodied them in the scene.

And apparently if you look closely, you can see many of his co stars trying not to laugh because he was improvising all the time.

Speaker B: 00:30:02

I did notice.

Speaker C: 00:30:02

Yeah, I saw a couple of bits.

Speaker B: 00:30:04

From like glance away from the camera just to. Yeah. Can you imagine how many, how many takes some of those scenes will take with him?

Other characters not be able to keep their shit together because he's just.

Speaker C: 00:30:13

I know, just off on one. I've never seen actually any outtakes from this. That's interesting.

Speaker B: 00:30:19

Not from this. There's loads in there like Liar, Liar.

Speaker C: 00:30:21

I've seen loads from other ones.

Speaker B: 00:30:22

When he's arguing with that woman, she goes over actor.

Speaker C: 00:30:24

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:30:24

He's like, ah, you got me.

Speaker A: 00:30:26

That's right.

Speaker C: 00:30:27

So the plot of Ray Finkel missing the game winning field goal in the super bowl, the kick that was heard around the world. It was loosely based on Buffalo Bills kicker Scott Norwood, which had occurred three year prior to the film's release.

However, in: 2016

This is for American fans, obviously against the Philadelphia Eagles who would go on to win the game. So it sounds like laces in. Oh, okay, laces in, laces out. Who knows? That's about as much as I knew about American football at that point in time.

the American Film Institute's: 2000

Speaker B: 00:31:32

What's number one?

Speaker C: 00:31:33

It didn't say. But this is interesting.

At one point, the producers considered making Ace female and being named Alice instead, and it was going to be Whoopi Goldberg as their preferred choice. That would be an interesting change. More people who were considered for the role. Mike Myers, Chris Farley, David Spade and Brendan Fraser.

And one more. During the scene when Ace is trying to figure out the connection between Einhorn and Finkel, a picture of Batman and Robin can be seen on his mantle.

Jim Carrey obviously would go on to play the Riddler in Batman Forever. Foreshadowing.

Speaker B: 00:32:08

Thank you very much. The only thing I read was this was done on a really a relatively modest budget and became obviously.

Speaker C: 00:32:15

Oh, yeah, Carrie's salary was very low as well. I had that as a fact somewhere. It was on like 100 and something. Thousand.

Speaker B: 00:32:22

Each movie that year gradually went up. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:32:25

By: 1995

Speaker B: 00:32:30

What a rise.

Speaker C: 00:32:30

What a run.

Speaker B: 00:32:31

Okay, thanks, Paul. So that takes us into hate it or rate it. So I'm. It's my choice, so I'll go first. Yeah, I did enjoy it. It's, isn't it? It's got a nostalgia feel to it.

It is a bit dated for me. Some of it didn't quite hold up. Not dated in, like, inappropriate. Just. It just. It's a different pace to what I remember.

And obviously when I first used to watch it, I was a lot younger.

Speaker C: 00:32:55

Is this first time you've seen it since you were.

Speaker B: 00:32:57

No, no, I've watched it probably about 10 years ago or so.

Speaker C: 00:33:00

Okay. And you're still the wife as well?

Speaker B: 00:33:02

Yeah, she was. I'll watch that. I'll watch that with it. You know, it's one of those movies you can just watch, but it's.

If without Jim Carrey, this movie falls apart, I don't think anybody could carry this. If all those people you mentioned, I'm like, no, no.

Speaker C: 00:33:12

Yeah. I was like that when I was reading them.

Speaker B: 00:33:13

Like, not a chance. This would not be. We would not be talking about this movie now if it was with Jim Carrey. I don't think no one else.

It was just all the right combination of the. The plot with the character, with the actor all working together. I did enjoy it. I'm going to give it a six.

Like, because the nostalgia gives it a lot of points. I did. Like Darren said, I did laugh a lot. Like some of this.

Like some of the movies where you look Back you go, yeah, it was funny, but not as funny as I remember it. I did. I did laugh a lot in this and I can't. I can't deny that, but just a little dated, a little slow in parts for me. So, yeah, six.

So I'm gonna go two Paul next.

Speaker C: 00:33:44

Yep, sure. I'm very similar to you on this. It's very nostalgia driven for me. You can't diminish that.

This was the film that kicked off Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey to start that run. It's a year. What a year.

Speaker B: 00:33:57

I can't believe that.

Speaker C: 00:33:58

What year? So, yeah, it's still very linked to that. It's a hell of a character. It's very unforgettable.

There are moments in that movie that still make me laugh, like when I was a kid. Mostly the stupid stuff when he's doing the Mission Impossible things. And some of the lines still. Still get me.

And my favorite scene being the one where you are and he kind of solves the mystery. So I enjoyed it. I can see the problematic issue of it potentially in modern world, but it's set in such a daft world.

And like you said, Darren, it's the 90s. And you know, there was lots of films like in this. This wasn't unusual in that sense. It was very much the daft.

Films like this were very much in that bubble. What am I gonna give it? Oh, I don't know. I'm gonna go the same as you. I think, mark, it's a six. It's a good six.

I think if you'd asked me when I was 11, I'd give it a 10.

Speaker B: 00:34:46

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:34:47

Because it was just hilarious and the humor is very juvenile. But, you know, I like a bit of that sometimes and it is stupidly daft. And it is very much Jim Carrey in your face, isn't it? Yeah, it.

Speaker B: 00:34:58

It's prime. Jim Carrey.

Speaker C: 00:34:59

I remember vintage Jim Carrey, like I said. I remember watching it and dad walking in and handling like 20 seconds. Be like, oh, he's too much for.

I think I showed him the Truman show many years later after saying, no, no, it's not as in your face, dad. He actually did enjoy that. But I remember him watching this and being dislike or not watching it, just seeing me watch a clip of him.

So I can see people would hate this film potentially. But yeah, I'll get.

Speaker B: 00:35:23

I'll give a six over to you, Mr. Horn.

Speaker A: 00:35:25

Yeah, I mean, it's an. It's an original script which is with some good twist. You know, you think the bad guy is going to be the evil millionaire. Udo care, isn't it?

Is he a German?

Speaker C: 00:35:34

I've seen him in loads of stuff. Pops up.

Speaker A: 00:35:36

Yeah. He's kind of a pretty standard kind of evil guy a lot of the time. And you know, it's a first time director basically.

I mean, he'd done a movie, TV movie before called Frankenstein, the College Years and another Frankenstein.

Speaker C: 00:35:49

Was that on your list? Okay.

Speaker A: 00:35:51

arfighter for Bob Hope and in: 1983

I kind of like the way that when he's in the pool doing the Star Trek impressions, I think that was shot quite interestingly, but it just. And then I also wondered if he is just a genius detective.

The Sherlock Holmes kind of level where Sherlock Holmes, I'm sure in multiple versions I've seen him, is taking drugs to dumb down his brain to calm himself down because he's that.

Speaker C: 00:36:23

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:36:24

And wired. Yeah. And they were.

Then one day, if Ace Ventura has to like almost like ooze out impressions and comedy to just give his brain something to do so that he can think because it's just too much. He's taken in too much stuff around him. But I also think I'm giving this film way too much credit.

Speaker C: 00:36:42

That's quite deep. I like it though.

Speaker A: 00:36:44

Yeah. And you know, I do have issues with. I mean, I laugh because of the Crying Game music kicking in, mainly because this is not the same target audience.

People who are watching Ace Ventura have not watched Crying.

Speaker B: 00:36:55

Oh, I do. The music's just come back to me now. Down there. It is. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:37:00

There you go.

Speaker A: 00:37:01

Yeah. Which is just crazy to me. I find that like a ludicrous link.

Speaker B: 00:37:07

And when else did you laugh?

Speaker A: 00:37:09

That was it.

Speaker C: 00:37:11

Oh, no.

Speaker A: 00:37:12

Yeah. So. And I do have issues with that end scene. But you know, in Remember the Titans, you have racist characters.

It's okay to have racist and sexist and homophobic and, you know, age as characters in movies. But I think the reason it bothers me is that it's done for comedy at scale.

And then I just wonder like if young kids are watching this and then they find out that, you know, somebody's kissed some. A guy's kissed a guy. Is that how they are going to respond?

And I may be reading too much into this, but I know I had a similar issue with Snatch because I was like, look, I think, I think racism against the traveler community Would have gone up because of this movie. And same issue I had with Bad Boys. I would. I would think homophobic comments would go up because of Bad Boys and. But then it's both in those.

The heroes doing it and this. Even though he's a dick, it's the hero doing it. You know, I just. And there's nothing to counterbalance it. So I do.

I. Thankfully, I. Hopefully we're in a very different time now and things are getting better. But that. That is dragging it down for me.

And then the fact that I didn't last that much and it at its worst, it's second rate stand up comedy and impressions intercut with musical montage and then back to the second rate comedy.

Speaker C: 00:38:33

Like. Like a long Saturday Night Live sketch.

Speaker A: 00:38:36

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:38:36

Kind of play that. Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:38:37

And it's like musical montage of him doing this and then back again and then boom, boom, boom. And I was like, all right. Okay. And you know, you guys know I love character development. On the whole, there is no character development.

He's Ace Ventura at the beginning, He's Ace Ventura at the end.

Speaker C: 00:38:49

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:38:50

No one learns anything. No one kind of develops. No nothing. The world is not much of a better place at the end. So it was a bit meh for me. Three,.

Speaker C: 00:39:02

To be honest, that. That's higher than I thought. Because some of my thoughts as I was watching Jim doing his stuff, I'm like knowing how much you hated Hot Shot.

Not hated, but Hot Shots.

Speaker A: 00:39:12

It's original and there's some inventively shot scenes and I kind of. I get where the comedy. Weirdly, this made me start watching Beefs and Butthead again.

Speaker C: 00:39:22

Oh, interesting.

Speaker A: 00:39:22

I know what's giggling in the Beefs and.

Speaker C: 00:39:24

But so it kind of tapped into your inner juvenile joke. Sort of.

Speaker A: 00:39:30

I watched the episode where they go to an escape room and I just got the giggles a lot.

Speaker C: 00:39:35

Oh, there we go. So at least inspired someone, but they.

Speaker A: 00:39:37

Get confused and they end up going into a toilet and they think the toilet is the escape room.

Speaker B: 00:39:43

Right. Okay, so that gives. Where is it at that ACE Ventura scores 15 bang on. And that puts it in 56th out of 68.

Speaker C: 00:39:53

So is it sandwiched between.

Speaker A: 00:39:55

I am curious what the listeners think about, you know, I guess that ending scene, the Crying Game scene. See what you think. Like, are we wrong? Is it our age or am I wrong?

Speaker B: 00:40:05

So it's just behind Superman: 2025

Speaker C: 00:40:14

We've done a lot of films now.

Speaker B: 00:40:16

We have, we have now done 68. So there we go. Right.

Speaker A: 00:40:19

Oh, the other thing. Please don't cut this.

The other thing that me up about this movie is don't open a movie with a Morgan Creek studio title and then don't show me Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

Speaker C: 00:40:34

Right.

Speaker A: 00:40:34

Because that's the bar. Like I was just like, oh, this is like reminds me of Prince of Thieves. This isn't Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

Speaker B: 00:40:41

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:40:41

Morgan Creek for me will always be Robin Hood Prince.

Speaker A: 00:40:43

Right. Like I can't think of any other movie that I've associated that with. And we've done an episode on one of the Prince of the Ease. Right.

Speaker C: 00:40:50

It's a secret episode.

Speaker B: 00:40:51

It was one of our development episodes.

Speaker A: 00:40:52

Oh man.

Speaker B: 00:40:53

It'll come. It will surface one day.

Speaker A: 00:40:55

Yeah. For Patreon fans, when we get enough money.

Speaker C: 00:40:57

Nice. Speaking of Patreon, our sponsor today is. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Nice. I'm just getting ready to sell out.

Speaker B: 00:41:06

Okay, so that's, that's where it lands on the Legend League. We'd love to know what you think. That was our thoughts. So, yeah, message the show, email us and we'll read your thoughts out on the show.

So what, what do you reckon would be a good follow up after this?

Speaker C: 00:41:18

Probably Hot shots.

Speaker B: 00:41:19

Yeah, yeah, hot shots.

Speaker A: 00:41:21

Hudson Hawk as well.

Speaker C: 00:41:22

Hudson Hawk. What else have we done that's sort of in that daft vein? The Spaceballs.

Speaker B: 00:41:26

Spaceballs, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:41:27

Velocirapasta.

Speaker B: 00:41:29

No, whatever you do, do not watch that. Whatever.

Speaker C: 00:41:31

No, it's more to listen to us suffer through it. I feel like that that might be our biggest ever rated episode because of the pain we, we go through. I mean, maybe the Truman show for Jim Carrey.

Speaker B: 00:41:41

Yeah. But as a contrast of what he can do. Crazy stupid love, potentially.

Speaker C: 00:41:46

That's, that's probably a zany film.

Speaker B: 00:41:48

Yeah. Obviously Space was like you said. Okay, so that takes us nicely into part three, which is the listener lounge.

So in part three we have the lobby where we ask. We have your questions, your stories and your comments.

Then we ask the question of the week and we finish by revealing next week's movie which is going to be Mr. Darren Horn. Okay, so in the lobby we have some small replies to our question on movie trailers. So Tom has put. Hi lads. I avoid trailers completely now.

Too many times I've watched one and felt like I'd already seen the best bits of the movie even before sitting down. If I'm interested, I'll maybe watch the first 20, 30 seconds and then switch it off. Going in blind is just bare. I'm with you on that one, Tom.

That's Tom from Leeds. And then we've got Holly who says, hi lads, love the pod. I've got a rule if I, I'll watch the first trailer and that's it.

No second trailer, no TV spots, nothing. I, I feel like anything after that starts giving too much away. Keeps the balance between knowing the vibe and not knowing the details. She put. Cheers.

That's Holly from Cheltenham.

Speaker C: 00:42:56

Yeah. That's a good call, Holly. Yeah, because it's the teaser trailer thing, isn't it? So the teasers tend to not show as much.

So you get a sense of it and then that's it. Good call.

Speaker B: 00:43:04

And then your friend Pete Pemberton show.

Speaker C: 00:43:08

Now.

Speaker B: 00:43:08

I watch movie trailers because they spark curious curiosity and deliver quick bursts of excitement, humor or suspense in a short time.

They help with fast decisions on what to watch on platforms like Netflix, Netflix or Disney plus while also creating social connection around big releases from studios like Star wars and, and Marvel Studios. With fast editing and music triggering.

With a music triggering dopamine, trailers provide an easy, low effort form of entertainment without the commitment of a full movie. I feel like that's what the, like social media or the clips that you see from certain films.

Speaker C: 00:43:38

Yeah, they just show certain bits.

Speaker B: 00:43:39

You watch a cliff. That was really good. What was that from? That kind of works that way, doesn't it? As well as a trailer. Just pick a scene from it.

Speaker C: 00:43:45

And he brings up a point that I never thought of because when I'm thinking of trailers, I'm always thinking of movie trailers because that's kind of what brought up on. But yeah, it's probably true. I don't do a lot of streaming as you know, I tend to do discs.

But that's true if you're on streaming, maybe watching the trailer, doesn't it?

Speaker B: 00:44:01

If you wait more than like 10 seconds, it'll start playing something.

Speaker C: 00:44:04

Yeah, I've seen this. And because I'm often not scrolling for stuff, I tend to go in specifically for things.

But I imagine that is something people do trailers on streaming.

Speaker B: 00:44:13

It just says keep up the good work. And that is from Pete Pemberton.

Speaker C: 00:44:15

Thanks Pete.

Speaker B: 00:44:17

So question of the week from. From Jenny. Is there one book that has not been made into a movie that should have been?

Speaker C: 00:44:25

That's a good question.

Speaker B: 00:44:27

I can't think of any because I don't really read books. But I imagine there's some pretty, pretty big contenders out There, like, why hasn't this been made into a movie?

Speaker C: 00:44:33

Yeah, I don't read massively, but yeah,.

Speaker B: 00:44:36

Leading us out from our previous one about too many franchises. Franchises they should be going through, looking for books, going what could be made. Look at the screenplay adaptations.

Speaker A: 00:44:47

Yeah. I mean, there's some big front. Like, is it a franchise if it's books? But series, I guess.

Speaker C: 00:44:52

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:44:53

Series of books I would like to see, but that have to be TV series, really. Things like. Like a guitar. Like a Court of. Well, I never know what it stands for. Court of Throne and Roses, I think.

And I can remember what I'm reading. Crown of Midnight Series. I think that's what it's called. Those would be good.

There's a little shorter book called this Is How We Win the Time War, or this Is How We Lose a Time War. But that would be really hard to film, I think.

Speaker C: 00:45:22

Oh, I like time travel, though.

Speaker A: 00:45:23

Yeah, it's. It's great.

It's like set in the future and it's two kind of agents from two enemy sides and it's them going through time trying to undo the other person's plans. It's the. One of the weirdest books I've ever read. It would be really. It has to be an indie film. And then it gets so freaking good.

Speaker C: 00:45:43

So I'm reading one called the Priory of the Orange Tree.

Speaker A: 00:45:46

Oh, nice.

Speaker C: 00:45:47

I'm about halfway through it because I'm a slow reader and I've been on it for a couple of years now because I always read a few books. But that's quite epic. That's quite Lord of Ringsy.

Speaker A: 00:45:57

There's a series of books. Cool. I think it's called the Gathering of Magic Books.

And it's when there's like lots of different Londons and there's like a black London, a white London. I can't remember all the other colors, Grey London. But magic exists in some of them. And all the Londons are kind of connected by portals.

That would be really cool. Yeah, that would have to be like. I think it's like three or four movies, but that would be really cool.

Speaker C: 00:46:18

So, yeah, there's gonna be loads out there. We need the book readers to write in, really, don't we? Yeah, but reader listeners.

Speaker B: 00:46:23

Okay, so that's what that was from Jen. So we'll go with that one. A book which needs to be turned into a movie.

Speaker C: 00:46:28

Nice.

Speaker B: 00:46:29

Send your. Send your answers in and we'll read them out on the show. On to the main event, which is next week's movie it's over to Mr. Darren Horn.

Speaker C: 00:46:38

Where we're going § yeah, I need to.

Speaker A: 00:46:41

I need to save us all. I. I do.

I do have some attraction movie that I do want to put forward at some point, but I feel like I need a movie that is going to increase our cine literal IQ.

Speaker B: 00:46:54

So go for it.

Speaker A: 00:46:55

it is All About Eve, which is: 1950

Speaker B: 00:47:02

Nice. I'm up for that.

Speaker A: 00:47:03

It's black and white and it's been a while, probably over a decade since I've seen it, but I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker C: 00:47:10

No surprises here, but I managed to thrift that in one of my thrift hauls. So you actually already own it.

Speaker A: 00:47:14

Have you seen it before?

Speaker C: 00:47:15

No, I've got it because I was like, oh, Betty Davis, that is unbelievable. I thrifted a lot over the year, you know, but, you know, I thought, that looks like a classic.

Speaker B: 00:47:24

eek's movie is all about Eve,: 1958

Speaker A: 00:47:32

No,: 1950

Speaker B: 00:47:33

1950.

Speaker A: 00:47:34

I think so.

Speaker B: 00:47:34

Wow. Okay.

Speaker C: 00:47:35

Is that gonna be one of the oldest ones we've done? What's the oldest one we've done? Did we do 40s?

Speaker B: 00:47:40

What was he's Got Friday?

Speaker A: 00:47:43

Yeah, that might have been a little.

Speaker B: 00:47:44

Bit 30s, was it?

Speaker A: 00:47:45

Oh, don't think so. I think it was 40s. I always think movies are, like, further older than they are. Like, I think a movie is really old and it'll turn out his 60s.

Like the Sinbad.

Speaker B: 00:47:55

. His Girl Friday.: 1940

Speaker C: 00:47:58

Oh, wow.

Speaker B: 00:47:59

eek's movie is all about Eve,: 1950

And that brings us to the end of the show. Thank you for listening. We really do appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedules to spend some time with us.

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So this episode is officially over. This is Mark saying goodbye.

Speaker A: 00:48:28

This is Dan saying goodbye for now.

Speaker C: 00:48:29

How would you like me to make your life a living hell? Well, I'm not really ready for a relationship, Lois, but thanks for asking.

Speaker A: 00:48:36

You are quite good at impressions.

Speaker B: 00:48:37

That was good.

Speaker A: 00:48:38

Not accents, but impressions.