Charade(1963) - In A Nutshell

Darren: 00:00:01

Our fans just start calling me sir Darren Horne.

Paul: 00:00:04

I think they already do. Yeah, we do.

Darren: 00:00:06

You know, some of my students call me sir.

Marc: 00:00:08

Somebody reign him in. Somebody please send down some hate mail so we can rein him in.

Darren: 00:00:12

How'd you spill a full bottle on someone?

Paul: 00:00:14

That's a lot of clumsiness, isn't it?

Marc: 00:00:15

Like, whoops, sorry. As you shake the bottle repeatedly over them.

Paul: 00:00:19

Yeah, sorry about that, Carrie.

Marc: 00:00:32

Hello and welcome to Movies in a Nutshell.

Darren: 00:00:34

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to this Week's movie Charade.: 1963

Only because he used to go way, way, way back in time and I wasn't used to doing that, but now embrace it. I fully embrace it.

Paul: 00:01:10

And is it charade or charade?

Marc: 00:01:12

That's.

Darren: 00:01:13

I'd say charade.

Paul: 00:01:13

Charade.

Marc: 00:01:14

I think I would say charade.

Paul: 00:01:15

Okay. Just in case there's people screaming at the thing going, it's Sherrod, Dan, Seth.

Marc: 00:01:20

I think I'd say charade or charade. I don't know.

Paul: 00:01:22

Tomato, tomato.

Darren: 00:01:23

I'm a soulmate.

Marc: 00:01:24

Anyway, who knows?

Darren: 00:01:24

Then you say fucking charade.

Marc: 00:01:26

Let us know. What should we say? Are we saying it right or are we saying it wrong? Charade.

Darren: 00:01:29

Charade.

Marc: 00:01:30

Anyway, let's move on from this charade. Let's go into the nutshell. So we own part one, which we call the nutshell, where we break the movie down. Spoiler free.

To help you decide if this movie is your kind of film and if it's worth your time. How do we help someone? Listen to this right now. Who hasn't seen it? How do you help them work out if it's for them?

Darren: 00:01:46

I think this is a perfect film. If you've got like a lazy Sunday and it's raining or if you're shaking off like a bit of an illness and you need a warm blanket of a movie with.

With like a hot chocolate and you don't want to be scared or shocked or stressed out. And there's a. There's A fun mystery and kind of a. It's almost like a knives out light but with romance.

Paul: 00:02:11

I'm going to use the word caper again.

Darren: 00:02:13

Yeah, it's a bit of a caper and everyone's just like pretty and charming and nice and it's. It's a. That's the kind of feel if you're in the mood for a movie like that, then this one nails it, I think.

Marc: 00:02:24

What does this. What questions does this movie ask? I think at its core it's about trust, isn't it?

Darren: 00:02:29

Who can trust without about. Yeah, it's totally about trust.

Marc: 00:02:31

Who can you trust? Who can you not just. Can you ever really trust anybody?

Darren: 00:02:34

Yeah. But it's also about love and what is the meaning of love and how do people connect.

Paul: 00:02:39

And the tone of it's. As well as it being a caper, it's kind of a bit of a spoof of those espionage films of the time. But it's also. It also takes itself seriously.

But it also has this comedy edge as well. It kind of walks the tightrope of sort of.

Darren: 00:02:56

Because it's. It's inspired a lot by Hitchcock.

Paul: 00:02:58

That's right.

Darren: 00:02:58

I think when I mentioned it last episode, I was like, it's Hitchcock, right? And you were like, no.

Paul: 00:03:03

And then in the facts of the day, spoiler alert. But yeah, it kept coming up on multiple facts of this is the Hitchcock film that he never made. Yeah, someone's.

Everyone thinks it's Hitchcock, but it's not.

Darren: 00:03:15

But the director really likes Hitchcock and wants to do a style like that. But also James Bond, I think Goldfinger had just come out like a year or two before. So that. That whole kind of spy vibe was.

And that fun vibe as well, because those old school James Bonds were just.

Marc: 00:03:29

You haven't seen this either?

Darren: 00:03:30

I think I'd seen it way back in the day. Like when I was in. If it wasn't like film school, it'd be. I was just in my. In my zone of just consuming everything.

Marc: 00:03:39

To just part of it. Seem familiar when you were watching it then did some of it come back? You still not sure if I've seen this.

Darren: 00:03:44

It's really tricky because. No, I am. I really don't know because it's a naughty Hepburn movie and it's. I've seen quite a few of those and it's been a while since.

So I don't think I could remember this one that well. Although I'm sure I definitely remember a couple of lines from it. But I don't know if I just seen clips, don't I?

Marc: 00:04:01

Unless they're in the zeitgeist.

Darren: 00:04:02

No, they're not. These ones aren't in the zeitgeist.

Marc: 00:04:05

Okay.

Darren: 00:04:05

Some good quotes, though.

Marc: 00:04:06

You haven't seen it, Paul?

Paul: 00:04:07

I'd not seen this one, but I do love Audrey Hepburn films.

Marc: 00:04:09

I didn't even know about it.

Paul: 00:04:10

I was all for it.

Marc: 00:04:11

First audio Hepburn movie for me.

Paul: 00:04:13

Really? Oh, there you go.

And I kind of wrote down, and as I'm saying these, I'll probably referring to the originals, not the remakes, even though I'm more familiar probably with the remakes. But I put down Thomas Crown affair with Steve McQueen, Ocean's Eleven. I haven't actually seen the original Frank Sinatra.

Marc: 00:04:29

I don't have a meets for this, by the way. So if you've got.

Paul: 00:04:31

Oh, okay. I imagine it's something like. Have you seen the original Ocean's Eleven? Oh, I've seen the George Clooney, Brad Pitt one.

I haven't, but I've never seen it. But I imagine it's this kind of Sinatra and. Yeah, it's the Rat Pack, isn't it?

Darren: 00:04:44

Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Paul: 00:04:44

I don't know. I imagine that's what this would be like. And they also.

The other one I wrote down was like the Pink Panther, which I have seen that kind of old school and there's some of it. So obviously, film wise, it looks very Hitchcock. But then I also wrote at times it's not as spoofy as the Naked Gun. Obviously it's more serious.

But there's times with the dialogue where it's very much like the Quick Fire Naked Gun.

Darren: 00:05:07

Yeah.

Paul: 00:05:07

Frank Drebben, deadpan, sort of fast paced.

Marc: 00:05:10

In a lot of the scenes.

Paul: 00:05:11

Bit like the other Cary Grump one we watched. That was Darren's His Girl.

Darren: 00:05:15

His Girl Friday.

Paul: 00:05:15

That was very fast. And it starts off like that and it kind of keeps going.

So if you watch His Girl Friday, I imagine there's a bit of film DNA with this one as well as Cary Grant kind of the writing style on some of it as well.

Marc: 00:05:30

So would you say it's a romantic caper about trust?

Darren: 00:05:34

Yes, it's a dialogue heavy romantic comedy. Mystery.

Marc: 00:05:37

Mystery. That's a good word.

Paul: 00:05:39

And somewhere I read, I think it was when I was getting facts or just looking at the film in general. It was like it's a spoof. A spoof, but suspenseful of the genre. So it sort of spoofs it a little bit.

Marc: 00:05:50

But it's also spoof Hitchcock.

Paul: 00:05:52

Yeah, but it's also quite suspenseful within its own narrative.

Darren: 00:05:55

It's a tricky line. It's. It's not. It verges on spoof but it's also homage at the same time. That's what it's doing.

Paul: 00:06:02

That's probably a better word, homage.

Darren: 00:06:04

Yeah, it's got a great cast. I mean Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn as well.

But there's tons of actors who were fairly young in their career who went on to do great, great stuff like Walter Matau and James Coburn was great.

Paul: 00:06:14

To see George Kennedy as well, who was the chief in Naked Gun.

Marc: 00:06:17

Like younger and thinner there.

Paul: 00:06:18

Yeah, a lot younger. Well, I started doing the maths of.

eah, this, this. What was it,: 1963

Marc: 00:06:30

So as a viewer, this movie will keep you on your toes. It'll keep you guessing, ask him any questions, send you around a few loops. Jump. But makes you work if you like that sort of thing.

A bit like yeah, glass onion things like that where there's quest questions to be answered but then they'll answer some questions but leave you with more questions.

Paul: 00:06:45

But like Darren said as well, it's light hearted though it's not going to tax you to the point of, you know, oh, I can't figure this out. It's light hearted. It's a nice Sunday afternoon. When he described that before, I'm like, yes, yes, perfect for that.

Marc: 00:06:57

Let's move on to part two which is the unboxing. In the unboxing spoiler territory ahead.

If you haven't seen this movie and we've helped you decide you want to go and watch it, we recommend you do so now because from this point forward there will be spoilers. So in the unboxing we have what did you miss? Where we will highlight things you may have missed. Even if you've seen the movie many times.

Paul has his formidable facts of the day and then we round off with Hate it or Rate it where we each give our brief opinion score out of 10 and see where it lands on our legend league. So what did you miss? It's your choice, Darren. So I'll go straight over to you.

Darren: 00:07:29

So this was made in: 1963

Paul: 00:07:35

I've just saw a line I wrote down where she's like can I have a sandwich please? Which comes out of nowhere. Yeah, that sort of Thing.

Darren: 00:07:40

And then she'd be talking about something like.

Marc: 00:07:42

Yeah, now that you say that every time something stressful happened, or she was asked something, a difficult question, she'd relate to food, I need a sweet, I need a drink, I need this, I need that.

Paul: 00:07:49

I don't know. I don't know. And then she goes off on a tangent.

Marc: 00:07:52

Now that you say that. Yeah.

Darren: 00:07:53

And she'd be like. She'll be talking about the mystery and then be like, would you do that? And he was like, do what?

And she was like, swing down from that building to save the woman you love. No. What the are you talking about? She did it like four or five times. Just. It's like she missed the conversation that happened in her head.

She didn't say out loud. And then she just jumped into that part of the conversation, assuming that the other person had heard the voice in her head.

Paul: 00:08:14

That's. That's good. So this is old school adhd before they knew what ADHD was, potentially.

Marc: 00:08:19

But why would they write that in, though?

Darren: 00:08:21

Well, exactly, because it is the equivalent. Like, I mean, ADHD is more complex than the dog in Up. That's like squirrel. Yeah, but she was a bit like that.

So I think it was almost following like an archetype of.

Marc: 00:08:35

What.

Darren: 00:08:35

What's that archetype where it's like Manic Pixie Dream Girl or something. You heard of that one?

Paul: 00:08:39

No.

Darren: 00:08:40

It's like Kate Winslet in the movie.

Paul: 00:08:42

She was in with Jim Carrey, Eternal Spotless Sunshine. Oh, I can't even say. Yeah, Eternal Spot Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

Darren: 00:08:48

Yeah, exactly. So I don't know if they were playing around with that or maybe they just.

Marc: 00:08:51

They may just gave her a character trait, something to make it. Build the character a bit more color.

Paul: 00:08:55

Yeah. And it is. You know, Audrey Hepburn does sort of play the quirkiness very well, doesn't she? Does.

Darren: 00:09:00

And she just. Nothing seems to bother her as well. So maybe she's a bit psychopathic because she.

Even early on she'd just be like, there's a happy upbeat music playing. And she's like, oh, I'm just too miserable to go on any longer like this. I don't love my husband. I'm going to get a divorce.

And then she's just happily going on an adventure with the mystery and very, very quickly being like, I love you.

Marc: 00:09:23

That was quick. But to be fair, they wanted to divorce sometimes. She's wanted that for a long, long, long, long time and not has felt that way just now.

Has finally made the decision I'm going to do it now. She could have felt that way for years.

Paul: 00:09:33

Yeah.

Darren: 00:09:34

or years. But yeah, also it's: 1963

Paul: 00:09:41

See, the main ones, maybe that's kind.

Marc: 00:09:42

Of edgy to put that kind of thing in a movie.

Darren: 00:09:44

Yeah, for sure.

Paul: 00:09:44

The main Audrey Hepburns I can remember off the top of my head is Roman Holiday and Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Darren: 00:09:49

Sabrina.

Paul: 00:09:50

Sabrina. In all of them, she's always a bit flighty anyways. And she definitely. Breakfast of Tiffany, She's.

Darren: 00:09:57

She's hard to pin down.

Paul: 00:09:58

Yeah. And even in Roman Holiday she plays like princess who kind of goes off the rails. And again, she's always got that quirky side.

So they've sort of wrote that into.

Darren: 00:10:08

Yeah.

Paul: 00:10:09

Some of these scenes of the character, haven't they?

Darren: 00:10:11

And I did like the food thing as well. Like it was at one point they're just in a cafe and they bring Carrie Grant a coffee and then they bring her this gigantic bowl of something.

Paul: 00:10:20

Yes.

Darren: 00:10:20

And she's like, thank you. Yeah. She seems like sugar.

Marc: 00:10:24

I don't know if it's common, if it was common back then, but something that happens a lot in tips, usually TV dramas today is where the partner dies and then the other partner who's left realized that they didn't know the person in the first place. This hidden past that they knew nothing about. I don't know if that was. Was that cutting edge movie making back then or was that.

Paul: 00:10:42

It'll be newer, won't it?

Darren: 00:10:43

And it seems to be shitting on marriage. I mean, there's a whole. Where she's just like, I'll divorce. Love is pointless. And then they're watching Punch and Judy and.

And she's just like, yep, this is. This is the true reflection of life.

Paul: 00:10:55

And. And then he says something like, doesn't show the kind of thing women can handle alone. That's the sort of thing they would say in the 60s.

Marc: 00:11:02

Yeah.

Paul: 00:11:03

So there was a few of the time things. Yeah.

Darren: 00:11:05

That she needs to be saved.

Paul: 00:11:06

Yeah, there's a few of the time things. But I was too busy going, ah, I love Audrey Hepburn.

Marc: 00:11:12

Did anyone notice the fact that he never actually got the stamps?

Paul: 00:11:14

Never got the stamps. All of that.

Marc: 00:11:16

Never got them.

Paul: 00:11:17

Anyway, in the end we got Audrey Hepburn.

Darren: 00:11:18

Yeah. So doesn't he get the stamps? I thought he did.

Paul: 00:11:21

He did get the stamps. But it turns out of. Oh, we're in spoiler territory. Yeah, just. Just warning you, because this is the big twist at the end.

He ends up being the guy who's working for. Is it the embassy?

Darren: 00:11:30

Yeah, something like that.

Paul: 00:11:31

He's government, and he was kind of looking for the whole thing for the side of the goodies all the way along. So all that time you're thinking, like, is he a baddie too? No, he's actually on the side of the goodies.

Marc: 00:11:42

Nobody got the stamps.

Paul: 00:11:43

Well, the government got the stamps.

Marc: 00:11:44

They ended up back where they should have been. But there was good twists.

Paul: 00:11:47

And as a bonus, he gets Audrey Hepburn winning. Winning.

Darren: 00:11:50

You won.

Well, you guys, I. I was wary about talking about this as well because sometimes I can go on about age difference relationships in movies like this, but it's the 60s and there's quite a big difference. It's like 25, 26 years.

Paul: 00:12:03

So I read a fact somewhere and I can't remember the specifics, but my. Go to. Or I'll skip it because we've talked about it now. But apparently that difference in age.

Cary Grant had been in other films with bigger differences in age with. With other women. But this was the one that kind of got singled out with the age difference thing.

Darren: 00:12:20

I heard that he'd turned down being in Roman Holiday and Sabrina because of the age difference, and he thought it was inappropriate. And then eventually she got to be in Breakfast at Tiffany's, which is a much more worldly role.

And so she had more of a maturity and independence as an actress, but also the character she played. And then this character, you know, she's now 30, so she's like an adult, basically, and she's quite formidable.

And then Cary Grant encouraged the writer to change some stuff so that she was pursuing him. But then he's got all these lines where he's like, stay away from me, child, and I could be arrested for taking you across state lines.

Or when he's going through floors and he's very aware he's very uncomfortable with her age, which I've never seen in.

Marc: 00:13:03

A movie, I must admit. I didn't pick up on the fact that there was a massive hit age gap between him.

Paul: 00:13:07

Okay.

Marc: 00:13:08

Wasn't obvious to me. I, like, I knew she was a lot younger than him, but maybe 10 years.

Paul: 00:13:12

The only bit that I sort of thinking me was I think the last time I watched Gary Grant film was when I watched His Girl Friday. So when he kind of steps in the frame like, oh, yeah, that's. That's him. Because I was used to seeing him so much younger.

Which is like when people see Harrison Ford now go, oh, he's old. When did you last see him? Well, in Star wars it's like he was 30, he's now 80. It's like, you know, looking good for 80, right? That's what I say.

If we're all looking like Harrison Ford At 80, we're doing well. But they're just like, yeah, well, he looked younger in Star Wars. That was what we On 50 years, almost 77.

Marc: 00:13:42

Something else this movie does, which I've seen a lot over the years which may have come from this or that time, is the police showing up at the funeral to see who else shows up and who says what. Get all the. Basically all the information, the rest of the agent from the funeral. What can be said?

Darren: 00:13:54

Yeah, that was good. It was also this weird thing. I really like the stuff they got the actors doing when they were on the phone. It wasn't just on the phone.

So Walter Mattel particularly would be shaving. And then another time he was flat out doing squats. And I was like, and at one point Ky Grant's doing squats as well.

And I said, why is everyone doing squats? And then Walter Mattel like falls through the floor. Only about 8 foot and he's been doing squats and that kills him.

Marc: 00:14:19

Yeah. Nah, like I think it just maybe to add a comedic aspect to what would be in fairly mundane scenes.

Darren: 00:14:26

I think people were more fragile in the 60s because it's the same with the fight scene. It's really like, oh, bless you guys. And then he's like, ah, sliding off the roof. It's. Oh, you wouldn't slide off that roof, would you?

Paul: 00:14:35

But then I put.

It was quite intense for the fact that it's sort of one minute it's light hearted comedy and bantering and then the next minute they're sort of having a fight scene on the roof. But if you watch the old Bond films, that's obviously in that style as well.

I suppose that was the height of fighting on film during the 60s, I suppose. And that's the other thing with this film. You can tell you're in the 60s almost immediately with even just the title screen.

It's all very 60s music and then.

Darren: 00:14:59

Yeah.

Paul: 00:14:59

Kind of enveloped into that world.

Darren: 00:15:01

Yeah, that was by the. It was inspired by the Hitchcock opening titles, which I think is. Used to be. I used to study this a guy called Soul Bass, I think.

Paul: 00:15:10

Oh, he used to do all these.

Darren: 00:15:11

Really weird, trippy ones. But the guy who did this one also did a lot of the titles for James Bond.

Paul: 00:15:16

Ah, that makes sense.

Darren: 00:15:17

So it is. Yeah, I guess that is 60s, but it's weird you say that, because. I agree, but at the same time, I always think this is like a 40s or 50s film.

Paul: 00:15:24

I don't know why, but the funny thing with these old films, and I wonder that if we'll see this more and more going forward, it still seems timeless.

Darren: 00:15:32

Yeah.

Paul: 00:15:32

Whereas the films they make now are very linked into all the technology and everyone's on social media or they're on certain things that tie it to the time. Whereas the older films, all right, the tech's not there, but it's not as big a part of the story, which it wouldn't have been in the 60s.

e, oh, look at this film from: 2010

And they're all filming the cars going past, but the phones they're all on are all like Nokias, when they could first take photographs. And then I think in the Fast and Furious timeline, your mate will know this. It kind of Tokyo Drifts meant to take place later on.

Marc: 00:16:11

Oh, yeah. There's some discrepancies there.

Paul: 00:16:12

Moves it all around. But all I could think in my head was, but they had them really old phones, that one.

Darren: 00:16:19

This feels nostalgic.

Paul: 00:16:21

Yeah. Yeah.

Darren: 00:16:21

It does depend on the age difference. Audrey Hepburn's 33 and Carrie Garrett was 59.

Marc: 00:16:26

So that he just looks younger than he is then.

Darren: 00:16:28

Oh, yeah. Ms. Cary Grant.

Marc: 00:16:29

The age difference, to me didn't. I wasn't like, oh, my God, there's a huge age gap here.

Darren: 00:16:33

Don't think there's anything wrong with it. I mean, they're both consenting adults. But I was curious, but. Because the amount of jokes he was making about. He's like, come on, come along, child.

And he was really leaning into it, which I hadn't seen before.

Paul: 00:16:42

And maybe that came from his own insecurity about the fact he was, you know, aging Hollywood royalty, I suppose. And she's upcoming. Holly. Well, by that point, she's holding priority as well, I would say. Once she. I think I read she did Eliza Doolittle.

What's that one called?

Darren: 00:16:56

My Fair Lady.

Paul: 00:16:56

My Fair Lady. She did that the year after this, I think.

Marc: 00:16:58

Almost breakfast at breakfast. Tiffany's.

Paul: 00:17:00

It's before this must have been.

Darren: 00:17:02

Yeah.

Marc: 00:17:02

That will have been her big marquee film then, you think?

Darren: 00:17:05

I don't know. I Mean, I. I feel now.

Marc: 00:17:07

It would seem like it is now, but at the time.

Paul: 00:17:08

That's the one you see, like, iconic. Iconic. Yeah, the iconic bags.

Marc: 00:17:13

I don't know if it was at the time. Don't know. Her biggest role would have been in the 60s and 70s.

Darren: 00:17:17

I mean, Sabrina was pretty high up there because that's with Bogart and My Fair lady is definitely up there.

Paul: 00:17:22

Roman Holiday, that was the first one.

Marc: 00:17:24

So either way, she was in her prime. She was on a good run of form.

Darren: 00:17:27

But she. I think she stopped acting quite soon because she.

Paul: 00:17:29

She's.

Marc: 00:17:29

Yeah, there's no rules with her in it. When she's old.

Paul: 00:17:33

She got into, like, helping. Was it UNICEF and charities and things like that? Some pictures where she's doing lots of things for charities and things. I think she had her own.

Darren: 00:17:41

Yeah, she's out in Africa, I think. Is she, like, helping people?

Paul: 00:17:44

The only other thing I picked up was kind of that. Well, you said it before, Matt. Like the knives out kind of double bluff and who's working for who and all these kind of things.

And then the bit where you think, is he the baddie because is he chasing her? And sort of. That's probably the most.

Marc: 00:17:59

Probably got the most twists and like, U turns I've experienced in a movie before.

Paul: 00:18:04

Oh, okay.

Marc: 00:18:04

Right up until the last scene, almost.

Paul: 00:18:06

Yeah, that one caught me because some of them I saw just like. I was like Fair Play, the Walter Matthew one. I sort of just about saw coming before that was revealed. Okay, I thought that was coming.

But the end one did get me. I'm like, oh, that's a nice little twist at the end there.

Marc: 00:18:21

That takes us on to Paul's amazing facts of the day. I feel like we need some, like, news bulletin kind of on News Reader.

Paul: 00:18:28

That's just more pressure then, isn't it? Like, bringing it in. Bringing it in. Okay, this was interesting. So it was agreed that Cary Grant. I said, this, this will be. This is interesting.

But let the listeners decide because they'll be sat there thinking, we'll decide if it's interesting or not, Paul. But it was agreed that Cary Grant would keep all of his clothes on when he took the shower as he was nearly 60 and slightly overweight.

This is what the facts say.

Darren: 00:18:50

Yeah.

Marc: 00:18:50

No, however, they look overweight.

Paul: 00:18:52

No, I didn't think so either, but he must have.

Marc: 00:18:55

I just thought it was like a comedic thing to do.

Paul: 00:18:57

Well, however, they then decided the scene was funnier that way. It probably was, wasn't it?

is co star in father goost in: 1964

But they never worked together.

And according to Audrey Hepburn, the scene where a genius spilled ice cream on Alex's suit was based on a real life accident where Hepburn spilled red wine on Cary Grant's suit at a dinner party.

Darren: 00:19:28

Apparently it was a full bottle and it was a cream suit. Ooh, how'd you spill a full bottle on someone?

Paul: 00:19:34

That's a lot of clumsiness, isn't it?

Marc: 00:19:36

Whoops. Sorry. As you shake the bottle repeatedly over them.

Paul: 00:19:39

Yeah, sorry about that, Carrie. Due to the suspense, the present. We've discussed this obviously previously, but let's throw it in.

Due to the suspense and the presence of Cary Grant and the structure of the screenplay and the frequent plot twists, many people believe this was a Sir Alfred Hitchcock film. I didn't realize he was a sir.

Darren: 00:19:54

Oh, darp.

Paul: 00:19:55

Yeah, it says here, Sir Alfred Hitchcock.

Darren: 00:19:57

Anyway, if that's wrong, Hitchcock's American, isn't he?

Paul: 00:20:00

Yeah, I thought so.

Darren: 00:20:01

Then who knighted him?

Paul: 00:20:03

Don't know. Unless this fact's wrong. Ignore. Anyway, Hitchcock was not involved in the making of this film.

This confusion has prompted fans of the film to call it the best Hitchcock film Hitchcock never made.

Darren: 00:20:14

We do not recognize his night.

Paul: 00:20:17

I've never heard of that before. Maybe it's just a mistype. I don't know.

Darren: 00:20:21

Unless it's just a fandom.

Paul: 00:20:22

Could be fandom. Let us know.

Darren: 00:20:24

Our fans just start calling me Sir Darren Hornson.

Paul: 00:20:27

I think they already do. Yeah, we do.

Darren: 00:20:29

You know, some of my students call me sir.

Marc: 00:20:31

Somebody reign him in. Somebody please send down some hate mail so we can rein him in.

Paul: 00:20:35

I have too many fans. What are you gonna do?

Darren: 00:20:37

I'd imagine you're protecting me from that. Every so often I think I must be getting some hate.

Marc: 00:20:41

You're the one person I would not protect from him.

Paul: 00:20:44

,: 1963

Marc: 00:20:56

That coincidence, do you think?

Paul: 00:20:58

Probably a little Easter egg maybe?

Darren: 00:21:00

Yeah, there's lots of little Easter eggs pointing to for the homage to Hitchcock as well, I think. Like some names and also other works, I think.

Paul: 00:21:08

Yeah, there is a lot of facts. So that. That sounds like some of the stuff I was flicking through. Where it's like, oh, there's a thing over there that makes you think of.

Darren: 00:21:15

Even one of his names is Dial, isn't it? Which is really weird, I think. Was that a nod to like Dial M for murder, which I pretty sure was a Hitchcock film.

Paul: 00:21:21

No, I didn't know that.

Darren: 00:21:22

I don't know if it is. I'm just, I'm like, that's a weird name, Dial.

Paul: 00:21:26

I kept spelling. I was spelling it wrong in my notes until they actually spelled it out of like, oh, I was spelling that wrong.

Darren: 00:21:31

Written in blood on the floor like a proper movie.

Paul: 00:21:34

I know. And then let's go back, change my notes. I know what I was doing.

Darren: 00:21:37

I want to go out like that, just bleeding out. And then write someone's name in my own blood.

Paul: 00:21:42

Like Da Vinci Code style.

Darren: 00:21:43

God, no, not Da Vinci.

Paul: 00:21:45

And then we have to.

Darren: 00:21:45

Good movie.

Paul: 00:21:48

And then we have to solve the riddle of your death.

Darren: 00:21:51

Well, like Sean Connery in the Untouchables.

Paul: 00:21:53

Oh yeah, that's good call. This film is in the public domain.

Darren: 00:21:56

Yes.

Paul: 00:21:56

Due to the failure to put the then required copyright notice in the released.

Darren: 00:22:00

Print, which is a ridiculous rule.

Paul: 00:22:03

you see as was needed by pre: 1989

Marc: 00:22:19

What's the rule? What's the rule? Explain to anyone who doesn't know.

Darren: 00:22:21

Well, you basically have to put this dumbass logo on your film to protect it. And, and particularly new filmmakers don't always do that. So George Romero didn't do it with Night of the Living Dead, which is.

So he basically made no money from Night of the Living Dead. So he then brought out, I think a colorized version to try and get some money back. But it was atrocious.

Also on Prime, I think there's three versions of this.

Paul: 00:22:42

Yes.

Darren: 00:22:42

And I started watching one because it had more minutes and it was four by three and I was watching it being like, this is like, like this. The quality of this is awful. Like what the hell? And then I said, let me just check one of the other versions.

And then it went to like full screen and better quality. And that's the issue. And it's not like I think I've got a feeling It's a Wonderful Life has come out of copyright.

Because there was also a weird ass version of that kind of on time.

Paul: 00:23:08

That's right. There was, wasn't there?

Marc: 00:23:09

When we're looking it's 50 years, isn't it?

Darren: 00:23:12

It can be 70. And sometimes you. I think you can argue that you should have it longer, like Disney sometimes.

Marc: 00:23:18

Do, because there's music as well. Same thing for music.

Darren: 00:23:20

If it's still in the public. I know. Zeitgeist.

Marc: 00:23:23

You can argue.

Darren: 00:23:24

Yeah, but now everything's running out of copyright, which is why we're getting Dumbass, Winnie the Pooh and Popeye horror movies.

Paul: 00:23:30

That's right.

Darren: 00:23:31

And Mickey is sacred.

Paul: 00:23:33

And Mickey Mouse, the original Mickey Mouse, as he appeared in Steamboat Willie. So not the later design, but the early design of him fell out of copyright or something like that. Yeah, it's a whole minefield of but.

Yeah, just going back to your point on prime, it did have one that said uncut, unedited, something or other. And I was going to go to that one to make sure I was. But that's probably the one you watched and it was in four, three.

Darren: 00:23:56

Yeah. Awful quality.

Paul: 00:23:59

Well, one of the facts was around there was loads of bootleg DVDs flying around because of this and it was really hard for them to rein them in. So if you are going to buy this on DVD or Blu Ray, I'd recommend going to the Criterion Collection. This was the point we were on about before.

So Audrey Hepburn was several years older than actresses who had already played Cary Grant's love interest back in the 50s, such as Sophia Loren and James Manfield, which makes the fact that this movie often gets cited as an example of an age gap relationship all the more peculiar. And like you say, she was in her mid-30s and only 25 years younger than Grant. Still 25 years younger, I guess.

acks of cigarettes a day from: 1959

ming An Affair to remember in: 1957

Darren: 00:24:55

And so what have we learned from this? We need to start smoking.

Paul: 00:24:59

I was gonna say, I don't know if that's our sponsorship message to go.

Darren: 00:25:02

Out there and that's cigarettes.

Paul: 00:25:03

Smoking causes a lot of problems to.

Darren: 00:25:05

Be Harry grant when you're 60.

Paul: 00:25:08

Let's move on.

The film heard on the soundtrack during Charles Lampert's funeral near the beginning of the film, includes an early version of Henry Mancini's theme for Two for the Road, which was another Donan Hepburn Mancini collaboration. This is probably My favorite fact, which is classic movie magic.

Despite having only two Vuitton suitcases, Regina wears five coats, four dresses, and three hats, all designed by Givenchy. Hollywood magic. Hollywood magic. Final fact, there are a lot of this.

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Marc: 00:26:05

Job of preserving them esteemed company there as well.

Paul: 00:26:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:26:08

Thank you very much, Paul. That takes us on to hate it or rate it. I'm going to go to Darren first because it was his choice. That's sweet.

Darren: 00:26:16

It was indeed my choice. So, yeah, I didn't like it.

Marc: 00:26:21

Oh, my God.

Paul: 00:26:22

But it's your choice.

Darren: 00:26:23

I know, I know.

Paul: 00:26:25

I.

Marc: 00:26:25

Let's find out how much he didn't like it.

Paul: 00:26:27

Yeah, it's true. There's a scale of hate, isn't there?

Darren: 00:26:29

Yeah, I. I found it nostalgic, and it wasn't harmful. It wasn't kind of annoying. And they're sweet. And it was quite funny. Like, oh, weird. Why is she talking about that now? And.

And there's a lot of food in this. And he had lines like, at one point, she's just like, may I have a sandwich, please? And there's nothing else going on.

And then I think he says, you're probably weak from hunger. You've only eaten five times a day. And I quite like that. I quite like that kind of rapid fire.

Paul: 00:26:56

That felt like the naked gun bit to me. Like the old school deadpan.

Darren: 00:27:00

Yeah. But her, she almost felt like a. Like an innocent who had no awareness of danger at all. Like, nothing. She was just like, oh, I'm in this.

I'm bored of my husband. I'm gonna get rid of him. I'm gonna go after this guy and, oh, my husband's dead. That's okay. Like, this is fine. And like, she was just.

Nothing around her could affect her. Like, she was just going through life untouched by anything. And it feels like everything would just work out for her.

Like, she was just one of the blessed people. Had this kind of Amelie quality to her. Just like, oh, everything's fine. So there's never really any jeopardy.

So it was interesting, but I never really laughed out loud. I never really got any. Like, there was no Hitchcocky. I love the word Hitchcockian. Hitchcockian. Suspense.

It was just like, okay, there's some nice lighting. Like, there's a bit where Cary Grant's like, seriously in shadow. And it was almost like film noirish. I quite like that. But then he just got dumb.

Like when he's hiding behind a pillar and water. Matt was hiding behind a pillar. And they're like, I could shoot her right now. So shoot her then. Like, it's like. And then he sneaks around behind him.

You guys are the worst criminals ever. Just.

Paul: 00:28:05

Well, they were spies. Spies, agents, agent.

Darren: 00:28:08

Oh, yeah, I love that. Yeah, that was. That bit was quite funny. So I just. I kind of watched it, and I wasn't offended.

It was nice to have on in the background where, you know, I was just thinking my thoughts, and then I could kind of check my phone and look at it again. I was, all right, all right, it's fine.

So not offensive, but, you know Pauline Kale, who's a heavyweight critic, she's one of the ones who fought against Walter Theory. According it. You know, it's. You know, it should be a collaboration that you're giving directors too much power. And she fought Andrew Cyrus over that.

So Pauline Cowell's a heavyweight of a critic, and she felt it was probably the best American film of that year. And like you said Criterion and all this other stuff, it's highly rated by a lot of people.

And loads of people on YouTube are like, this is my favorite freaking movie. I just didn't feel it. So it's not insulting, but it's only like, I don't think I'd watch it again.

And I think there's a bundle of other movies by Audrey Hepburn and Carrie Grant that I'd put way above this. So I'm kind of leaning into about 3.5.

Marc: 00:29:08

Didn't even go that low. Paul, over to you.

Paul: 00:29:10

Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. It was Audrey Hepburn. I love watching Audrey Hepburn movies.

Marc: 00:29:15

Just.

Paul: 00:29:15

I like it when they have that old Hollywood thing and I don't watch that. You've probably seen a lot more these than me. I came. I like older Hollywood films later on in life. And, like, you've not.

I'll be interested to hear what you say about. Because you haven't seen that many sort of older, older ones. So I enjoyed the caper.

If I was being brutally honest, it kind of tailed off in the middle somewhere for me. Like, at the. At the very start, I was kind of hooked in, and I really enjoyed the fact of the water.

I meant to say this before, but the Water Pistol, I hated that. Yeah. But it kind of set the scene for, like, the film for kind of.

Darren: 00:29:49

It being a farce.

Paul: 00:29:50

Yeah. It's like, oh, oh, oh, she's going to get shot. Oh, there's someone on a. Oh, it's water piss. It's like, oh, okay.

Darren: 00:29:54

That's not what they seem.

Paul: 00:29:56

Things are not what they seem. It kind of set the tone. But I can see why you hated it. I get that. But, yeah, I did think, yeah, that's them saying, look, it's.

It's a spy film, but it's. It's not too serious. But, yeah, there was a bit in the middle where I just. I kind of started losing concentration a little bit.

And then it kind of picked. But as the twists and turns kept then coming in, I kind of got dragged back into it.

And I quite like the whole sequence where she's hiding from the train station. And I thought, there's some cool film things going on there that enjoyed. And I haven't seen that many Hitchcock films.

To be honest, as a film fan, I should slap myself because I need to really go back and do a lot of the classics, you know, 80s and 90s stuff I'm well up on. But I need to probably go back and do a few more classes. When I watch them, I tend to enjoy them. So in a nutshell, which is what we're all about.

You see what I did there, there was bits I didn't like. Oh, the romance. That was the other bit I was gonna say. So I didn't quite buy the romance at all.

Darren: 00:30:46

No, there wasn't really any chemistry.

Marc: 00:30:49

Yeah.

Paul: 00:30:49

I like Cary Grant, I like Hori Hepburn, but I didn't quite feel this one. And I watched Roman Holiday fairly recently. I think it Christmas with the folks. I was like, we're going to go old school watching all one.

And I forgot who's in that now. But they had a spark. I forgot his name. I want to say Gregory Peck.

Darren: 00:31:04

Oh, cool.

Paul: 00:31:05

Yeah. Gregory. Is that right? I think that's him. And they had a kind of a real spark to it. Similar sort of thing where it was.

He was a bit older and she was obviously a.

Darren: 00:31:13

But I think George Peppard in.

Paul: 00:31:15

Yeah.

Darren: 00:31:15

Is in Breakfast at Divinis has got more chemistry as well. Yeah.

Paul: 00:31:19

And this didn't quite have that. I know. Cary Grant's very kind of cool character, isn't he? I almost feel bad that I didn't quite feel it, but I watched a lot of rom coms.

I'm like, I'm not quite feeling this one. But overall, Enjoyed it. I'm gonna give it seven. I can see why it's signed in. I can see why people like it. I might watch it again now.

I've got the kind of tone. I've said this before, like you don't know going in what the tone is sometimes.

And then when you watch it again, you're like, oh, okay, I know where it's going this time. Maybe it had been a six, but with Audrey Hepburn doing Audrey Hepburn things, it probably bumped up to a seven.

Marc: 00:31:50

Cool. What were you, 3.5.

Darren: 00:31:51

Yeah.

Marc: 00:31:52

Yeah. I enjoyed this film not quite as much as you did. I don't think I enjoyed the. The pace of it. A lot of these older films seem to be.

The fast dialogue I thought was a good movie for its time. I thought I was really impressed.

Paul: 00:32:02

Yeah, that's a good point.

Marc: 00:32:03

That gives me extra points. The twists and the turns. Right. The way through to the end.

Just when you think there can't be another twist in this, there's another one right to the right. And that gut got me. And I didn't feel like I was watching a 60s movie. That's a compliment. I can pay it. It did like you said it did. Slow down.

Couple of slowy pace bits and then it picked up towards the end. The romance, I agree, was not a bit too fast, which made it. Which made it not very believable. Not very believable because it was. There's too.

Too much too fast.

Paul: 00:32:28

But we still weren't quite trusting him at that point in the film. Or I wasn't. And then all of a sudden she was like, I love you.

Marc: 00:32:33

How can she then if all the stuff that's gone before. Yeah, so, yeah, I was. I did enjoy. Overall, I'm gonna give it a 6.2.

Darren: 00:32:39

Okay.

Paul: 00:32:40

So. And again, we will thank Darren for giving us the cultural old school stuff. Because it's.

Sometimes with the old school stuff, I find that, you know, because there's so many of them, you're not quite sure where to get a starting point on. So it's good when someone says, oh, try this one.

Marc: 00:32:55

Okay.

Paul: 00:32:55

It kind of gives you a bit of a step into it, doesn't it?

Darren: 00:32:57

It's really weird because we have this feeling that there's not been strong female characters in cinema and that we're trying to kind of make them now. But there are some absolutely fricking badass women and characters in the 40s and 50s.

Paul: 00:33:08

later on, like it seems like: 2010

They just were. And we were like, yeah, she's cool. So you're right. And then 40s, 50s, going way back.

Marc: 00:33:26

So that gives it 16.3, which in this expansive list of 56 movies now.

Paul: 00:33:33

56, wow.

Marc: 00:33:34

Puts it in 43rd out of 55.

Paul: 00:33:39

The Library of U.S. congress would be unimpressed with her scoring or whatever. They were the Film society people.

Marc: 00:33:45

So it's just above how the Grinch Stole Christmas and Con Air and it's just below Leave the World behind and the Beach.

Paul: 00:33:51

Who was that critic who said favoured it as the highest?

Darren: 00:33:54

Pauline Kael.

Paul: 00:33:55

Yeah, Pauline. Happy with that.

Marc: 00:33:57

That's just our opinion.

Paul: 00:33:58

Yeah, it is, it is. And often when you watch these things and we say, well, it wasn't for us, you can still see why other people might rate it highly.

Especially like you said, Matt, it was probably a very good one for the time in terms of the way it twisted and turned.

Marc: 00:34:11

Yep. Yeah.

Darren: 00:34:12

And if, if I was younger, this is probably how I ended up watching it. And it was like a Boxing Day and you're at home with the family and it's on tv. Like I probably would have watched. I'd probably watch it.

Marc: 00:34:20

Even if you switch this on halfway through, you could kind of go, oh, this is interesting, what's going on here. Yeah, it's got paper as you go about it.

Darren: 00:34:27

Yeah, it's inoffensive.

Marc: 00:34:29

So if you want to go and check out the Legend League, the links in the show notes, or you can go to moviesinnut shell.com. that's what we thought, but we'd like to know what you thought of the film. So send us, send us, send us a message.

Let us know what you thought and we'll read them out on the show. Okay, that takes us on to part three, which is the listener lounge.

So in part three, we have the lobby where we share your comments, answer your questions and read out your messages. Then we ask our question of the week and we finish off by revealing next week's movie. So into the lobby, Emmy whose choice it was for Godzilla.

Darren: 00:35:02

Nice.

Marc: 00:35:03

She said, I think what you rated was fine.

I put it down because obviously I chose it because I was watching it and I liked some of the visual cinematography and I just like a movie where I don't have to think a lot, as at the time I was feeling sick.

Paul: 00:35:17

That's Good call.

Darren: 00:35:18

Yeah.

Marc: 00:35:18

It's not a bad movie for that. You just watch it.

Paul: 00:35:19

Yeah, no, it's a good call for if you just chilling out.

Marc: 00:35:22

I don't think that movie was trying to be like a work of art or a classic. It. It knows what it is. No, it was just quite serious, the story, wasn't it?

Paul: 00:35:29

Yeah, it was just quite serious for the sort of blockbuster film. But yeah, no, it's a good call for just chilling.

Marc: 00:35:34

But I don't. I don't. I get why they did that because there's a million versions.

They could have just redone, hashed the whole same thing or trying to do something different, weren't they?

Paul: 00:35:40

Yeah. But we still enjoy watching it. So thank you for your choice and voting then.

Marc: 00:35:45

We've got an email from Emily Sanchez and it's entitled A thank you. Oh, hi, guys. I'm aware you don't have many female listeners.

We don't as mentioned, as you've mentioned this before, but alas, here I am representing the ladies and your US Listeners.

Paul: 00:36:00

Yay.

Marc: 00:36:01

I just want to say a big thank you for helping me truly understand movies. I thought I knew at a deeper level. You guys really know how to crack open a movie to its core and get more out of it. Please keep doing this.

And a praying emoji.

Paul: 00:36:11

I'm her biggest fan. We can be her fan now.

Marc: 00:36:14

She goes on. P.S. i usually only listen to episodes of movies that I like, so this is the thing about dip it in, dipping out. Darren doesn't like that.

He's not a fan. But that's just. That's just the way it is. I totally get that. I totally get that.

Paul: 00:36:25

It's like people with songs these days, they just tune into the ones they like and switch off the ones they don't.

Marc: 00:36:30

She says. But, oh, I took a punt on the Frankenstein movie episode because that movie's on my. My list of films to watch.

Needless to say, you3 helped me make up my mind to watch it. I paused the show. We ended up watching it. Really enjoyed it. 7.8 out of 10.

Paul: 00:36:43

Nice.

Marc: 00:36:44

Thanks.

Paul: 00:36:45

And. And we knew what we were doing because it's. It's up for Oscars potentially. Darren hated it, but you.

Darren: 00:36:51

The Oscars will get Oscars. Yeah.

Marc: 00:36:53

He gave a low score, but he fully recognized why it was a good film.

Paul: 00:36:56

You did say that. And both of us kind of said there was bits that.

Marc: 00:36:59

Yeah. So there you go. Thank you, Emily.

Paul: 00:37:01

Yeah, thank you.

Marc: 00:37:02

That was really cool. I think that's our first US Email. We've had.

Darren: 00:37:05

That's really, really. That's really nice to hear.

Marc: 00:37:07

And Pete Pemberton.

Paul: 00:37:09

I know Pete. I know Pete.

Marc: 00:37:10

He sent us a message. He must have finally got around to listening to the Matrix episode.

Paul: 00:37:14

Oh, okay.

Marc: 00:37:15

His title is Red or Blue Pill. If I were offered the red pill, I wouldn't hesitate. I've always been wired for the truth, even when it's uncomfortable.

I'd rather know what's real than live a hap. Live happily inside a beautifully rendered lie with suspiciously perfect lighting. Curiosity runs my life.

And the idea that there's more out there, something hidden, raw and unexpected, is way too exciting to ignore. Adventure beats ignorance every time. Plus, let's be honest, if reality is a simulation, I at least want behind the scenes access.

The glitch, explanations, and the chance to say, I knew it when things get weird. Worst case, apocalyptic wasteland, best case, freedom, discovery, and a story worth telling. Either way, way more interesting than fake steak.

Paul: 00:37:58

Well said, Pete.

Marc: 00:37:59

And he's got sunglasses, emoji. Pill emoji. Nice.

Paul: 00:38:03

So he's on the adventure with you guys? I'm still on the fence, probably over here. Try to find the pill in between. But you know, he's. He's on that adventure with you guys.

Marc: 00:38:11

That's just nodding.

Darren: 00:38:12

Well, I'm just really curious about it because I think this, like, if you play games like Skyrim in. In a game or like Witcher 3, I'll go everywhere. I'll talk to everyone in the tavern to see if they've heard, got any information that I don't know.

But I'll be at a party, standing in the corner, not talking to anyone because of like, social anxiety. And I sometimes think that we say that we want the adventure, but we want to know that it's magical before beforehand.

So it's like, oh, yeah, if like a fairy portal came open, I would totally go through it. Say, okay, yeah, but you, you won't go to that, that birthday party because.

Marc: 00:38:46

You feel, well, he says he wants the truth, but the truth might not be what you want. It's definitely true that that episode's probably in. That question's probably given us the most like people still sending answers to that in now.

Which is good.

Paul: 00:38:56

Keep it going.

Marc: 00:38:57

So if you want to join the conversation, you can send us a voice message by going to meIn a nutshell dot com. There's a voice message button there. You can record it straight to your phone. It comes straight through to us.

You can email us hello, movies in a nutshell.com or the links to our show notes. The links are in our show notes to all our socials. Okay, let's move on to the question of the week. So have a recap from last.

Well, one of the last weeks was the best slash worst bosses from. I think that came from Devil Wears Prada. Yeah, it is the best or worse boss.

Any stories you've got James Sullivan messaging and said, this is a good boss story. He's called it surprise champion. I had a boss who noticed I was struggling with a project.

The next day she walked in with a coffee and a Greggs, sat down and said, let's tackle this together. I learned more in that morning than I had in months. This is the kind of boss I would like to be one day if I ever become a boss.

Paul: 00:39:43

Love that.

Marc: 00:39:44

That's good.

Darren: 00:39:44

What's annoying is there's like different styles of leadership and a really common one used to be commander control, which is basically you do as you're told all the time. And even the military, particularly in this country, moving away from that because they realize Athenians matter.

Marc: 00:39:56

I would be a boss. Well, I'm not prepared to tell them to do something that I'm not prepared to do myself.

Darren: 00:40:00

But every study I read says like heart based or empathic leadership is the way to go. Like, people will die for you if you treat them like human beings. Basically. You know, you'll get loyalty if you're kind. Yeah.

This whole just do it my way. Do this bully, bullying people into doing stuff. Nah.

Marc: 00:40:19

Authoritarian kind of approach. That's outdated.

Darren: 00:40:22

Yeah. It's ego and it reeks of weakness and imposter syndrome and somebody not being comfortable in their management role because man.

Marc: 00:40:29

Management, or sorry, person management as you call it these days is. It's a big part of it knowing. No. You can't just blanket treat everyone the same.

Darren: 00:40:36

No.

Marc: 00:40:36

You have to meet everyone's individual needs. That's. It's a skill and it makes for a better. You gotta look after your team as a whole.

Darren: 00:40:42

Yeah.

Marc: 00:40:42

If you look after them, they'll look after you.

Paul: 00:40:44

I've had some really good bosses and that's exactly how they worked. They just track you. Very human. Knew your skills, knew your pitfalls kind of thing. Worked through it. Treat you as equal, almost. As equal, almost.

Or trusted you as well to know what you were doing.

Marc: 00:40:59

The worst ones are the ones that make you always feel like they're your boss.

Paul: 00:41:02

Yeah. Or micromanage to the point. Yeah.

Darren: 00:41:05

There was a company that said, we've got a new rule. You can no longer be fired outside of, like, you know, committing crimes, gross misconducts kind of thing, be fired.

And I remember there was a guy who was like, middle management. He was like, well, I understand where this might impact, like the lower level, but I didn't understand how it was going to impact me.

He's like, but it totally did. Because what I found is people came to me with problems immediately or came with me with mistakes or ups immediately.

Marc: 00:41:31

Because they were worried, previously worried about, we can get fired.

Darren: 00:41:33

So they would cover it up or try and fix it, but they were like, hey, look, I've messed this up. How can we fix it? And then they would work together and fix these issues quickly. And also meant that, you know, someone's not good at their job.

Well, that's also a training issue. So you provide them with the training and send them on courses or get them the support and then they can do their job better.

It's not just like, oh, we made a mistake in hiring you. You're not good enough, get out.

And also, I think it's better to hire people sometimes depending on the field on soft skills, you know, and how they communicate and work ethic, because the rest of the stuff you can kind of learn.

Marc: 00:42:05

I also think team bonding is important. You're getting everyone on the same page. Making, forming relationship rather than just being work colleagues.

Some people never talk to each other and there can be like friction if you can nip that in the bud and meet it head on, like team. Team building days and things like that. Or just go social events outside of work.

Because some people you like might not get on that well with at work, but that you meet them outside, you go, actually, you're actually all right, dude.

Darren: 00:42:30

My best friend, I. I've worked with him I don't know how long. Like 10 years, I think, and wasn't my best friend.

And then like around about two, three years ago, we happened to hang out at a social event and realized we had tons in common. And he's my best friend now.

Marc: 00:42:47

Nice.

Darren: 00:42:47

Like how we wasted like six, seven years.

Paul: 00:42:51

Working alongside as well.

Darren: 00:42:52

Yeah, well, not alongside, but yeah, in. In the same department. He worked in music, I worked in media.

Marc: 00:42:57

Scott Wigglesworth has messaged and said, years ago I had a boss who would throw furniture at me if I. If he had a bad day. Stools, bins. That's bad management. Oh, no, that's all he said. That's just that. There you go. One day I had a really bad boss.

Paul: 00:43:11

Mac does throw chairs at us. If we if we run on too long, Darren. Right. It just throws them across the. Across.

Marc: 00:43:16

The studio provide you makeup to cover up the bruises.

Paul: 00:43:18

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:43:20

There we go. Okay, that takes us on to this week's question of the week. Which movies were the biggest plot twists without saying what the plot twist was?

Paul: 00:43:28

Yeah, well, we don't have to tell them what the plot twist was. We can just.

Marc: 00:43:30

No, they can send in there.

Paul: 00:43:31

Yeah, exactly.

Marc: 00:43:32

This movie's got the biggest plot twist.

Paul: 00:43:34

So we would just then read out and say, oh, Empire Strikes Back. I wonder what the plot twist was there.

Marc: 00:43:38

There we go. This week's question is which movie has the biggest plot twist?

Paul: 00:43:41

We won't give away the plot twist.

Marc: 00:43:43

Don't tell us what the plot twist is.

Paul: 00:43:44

Just tell us the film.

Marc: 00:43:45

Just tell us. Give us the film.

Paul: 00:43:47

Yeah.

Marc: 00:43:48

And then if we think that's interesting, we might watch it. Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:50

It could also be bad plot twists.

Marc: 00:43:52

Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:52

Oh, it was all a dream. Don't make me vomit all over the tv.

Marc: 00:43:56

Let's say that plot twist, good or bad.

Darren: 00:43:58

Yeah, I could do a top three. Good plot twists are just insane.

Marc: 00:44:03

Which movie has the biggest plot twist, good or bad? Okay, that takes us on to next week's movie, which is Mr. Paul Day.

Paul: 00:44:14

Okay. Have you noticed how the world's kind of miserable these days?

Darren: 00:44:17

Yes. It's all gonna end in a month.

Paul: 00:44:19

Yes. And it's all very kind of movies in quickly.

Marc: 00:44:21

Come on.

Paul: 00:44:21

Yeah. And everything's very serious. Yeah. I say we go full on comedy with hot shots part. I'm just kidding, Darren. I'm just kidding.

Marc: 00:44:29

I was about to walk out there.

Paul: 00:44:30

I know. He's dropping the mic. No, no, but in that realm. And we did say when we did Hotshots 1, we did say there's other movies that have spoof things better.

So I'm going to go with who's regarded as maybe one of the legends of spoof Films, which is Mr. Mel Brooks. And let's go with the sci Fi. I know what you're hoping for, Mark, and I am going to say because it is on Netflix at the moment.

Let's go with Spaceball.

Marc: 00:44:53

Yes.

Paul: 00:44:53

Let's do Spaceballs. I don't know how you're going to react to this one, Darren. I'm hoping we catch you on a good day.

Marc: 00:44:59

I haven't seen this for 10 years or more, so.

Paul: 00:45:01

So you might react.

Marc: 00:45:02

It's still as funny as I remember it.

Paul: 00:45:03

It's a while since I've watched it as well, to be fair. But I did. I was Looking on Netflix specifically for comedies.

And I got down to about three and one of them and I'm like, yeah, let's just go full on spoof. We haven't done a spoof for a while.

Darren: 00:45:16

Obviously got a sequel coming out as well, isn't it?

Marc: 00:45:18

And that's not 20. 27.

Paul: 00:45:20

27. And Mel Brooks is in his 90s.

Darren: 00:45:22

I think he's 96.

Paul: 00:45:23

I think he's in as well. In his 90s. And he's still directing.

Marc: 00:45:26

Might not be here when it comes out.

Paul: 00:45:27

Well, he's still directing it.

Marc: 00:45:28

He actually started. They start production this week.

Paul: 00:45:31

Oh, there you go.

Darren: 00:45:31

If we find out you smoke three packs of cigarettes a day. I'm starting to smoke.

Marc: 00:45:36

Well, it's got all the original cast in it.

Paul: 00:45:38

And I also. Well, not John Candy.

Marc: 00:45:39

Not John Candy. But like everyone who's available is in it.

Paul: 00:45:41

And I also heard that Lewis Pullman. Yeah, you might not know this.

Marc: 00:45:44

Pullman's son.

Paul: 00:45:45

Bill Pullman's son. So Lewis Pullman was in Top Gun Maverick.

Marc: 00:45:48

Yes.

Paul: 00:45:49

And he had glasses on. He was like, I can't remember what his call sign was now, but I didn't realize that was Bill Pullman's son till much later on.

But I think he's in it as well. Yeah. Let's go Spaceballs.

Marc: 00:45:59

Nice.

Paul: 00:45:59

Let's go full on comedy spoof and see how we get on. I could use a laugh.

Marc: 00:46:02

Please be as funny as I remember.

Paul: 00:46:04

Let's hope so.

Marc: 00:46:05

Okay, there we go. Paul's choice next week is Spaceballs.

Darren: 00:46:10

Space what?

Marc: 00:46:12

So thanks for listening, guys. We really do appreciate you spending time with us. If you want to help us this week, our request is to share the show. Tell someone.

Tell one of your movie loving friends about this podcast. Spread the word, and that will really help us out. Okay, so this episode is officially over.

Darren: 00:46:28

This is Mark saying goodbye and Darren saying goodbye. For now.

Paul: 00:46:31

It's infuriating. Your happiness does not turn to fat.

Marc: 00:46:34

I don't even remember that.

Darren: 00:46:36

I have no recollection of that quote at all.

Paul: 00:46:38

It was at the start.

Marc: 00:46:38

I had. Just trust me one more time. Why should I? Well, I can't think of a single reason.

Darren: 00:46:51

Sam.