Con Air - In A Nutshell(Listener Choice)

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So grab some popcorn and let's jump into this week's movie. Right, gentlemen, it's time to to discuss and break down Con Air Listening Choice chosen by Ryan Hogarth, who also sent us an email as well.

I'll read it out later. Okay, so this is part one, which we call the Diagnostics.

In part one we have the stats, the synopsis, the nutshell, and some brief ratings and reviews. So in the stats, we'll run down the vitals of the movie, including how it performed, who was involved in making it.

In the synopsis, we compare our own version to the official In a Nutshell, we give you a spoiler free breakdown. And finally, in ratings and reviews, we get a brief overview of the critic and fan opinions. So I'll begin with the stats.

It's available to watch in the UK on Disney Plus. In the US it's on Disney plus and on Hulu.

Darren: 00:01:31

Hulu.

Marc: 00:01:32

,: 1997

Darren: 00:01:38

That feels a bit high.

Marc: 00:01:40

At the time, maybe it was quite shocking. Do the ratings change over time?

Darren: 00:01:43

Films they can do again.

Marc: 00:01:45

Reclassified.

Darren: 00:01:46

Yeah, they can be. Doesn't happen a lot.

Marc: 00:01:48

This one hasn't been.

Paul: 00:01:48

It's also our second Bruckheimer film in a row. Producer Jerry Brookheimer.

Darren: 00:01:52

Boom.

Paul: 00:01:52

There you go. That's the link.

Marc: 00:01:53

That's why we keep you around, Paul.

Paul: 00:01:55

There's the link.

Marc: 00:01:56

The runtime is 1 hour 55. Genre is action thriller. Stars Nicholas Cage, John Malkovich and John Cusack.

It was directed by Simon west, written by Scott Rosenberg, music by Trevor Rabin and Mark Mancina. We've had Mark Mancini before doing something. The budget was 75 million and it took 224 big ones.

Darren: 00:02:14

That's solid.

Marc: 00:02:15

That's a good return for that time. Synopsis.

Ryan has put an ex US Ranger, Cameron Poe, played by Nicholas Cage, is being released from a prison, transported back home on a Plane filled with prisoners.

's also put this movie's from: 1997

Paul: 00:02:46

Thank you. We like the addendum. This is good.

Marc: 00:02:48

The Official is short. Very short.

Paul: 00:02:51

Okay.

Marc: 00:02:51

Newly paroled ex con and former US Ranger Cameron Poe finds himself trapped on a prison transport plane when the passengers seize control in a deadly escape attempt.

Darren: 00:03:00

Yeah, it's basically Snakes on the Plane, but with prisoners.

Paul: 00:03:03

Passengers on a plane or Die Hard on the plane.

Marc: 00:03:05

Criminals on a plane.

Paul: 00:03:06

Yeah.

Darren: 00:03:06

So is passenger 57 actually, isn't it?

Marc: 00:03:08

Oh, that's a good film. That's a classic.

Paul: 00:03:11

Cons on a Plane. It says in the title, the Con Plan.

Darren: 00:03:15

Okay, so Mason, not a sequel. Do we con C?

Paul: 00:03:18

Oh, nice.

Marc: 00:03:20

So which one was. Which was best, Ryan's or the Official?

Darren: 00:03:22

I think the Official. Yeah, keep it tight.

Paul: 00:03:25

I'm partial to both.

Darren: 00:03:28

You just don't want to offend anyone.

Paul: 00:03:29

No, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm sitting.

Marc: 00:03:31

I agree. The Official was better, but it was written by Pressel, so he always should be really, shouldn't it?

You should never lose, but it rarely is it really. Yeah, they can't do it correctly the majority of the time. Okay, in a nutshell, what is this movie about, Paul?

Paul: 00:03:47

This movie is Snakes on a Plane with convicts. I think we've already said.

Feels like one of those high concept films where they literally wrote it down and said, oh, we should have all these prisoners on a plane. But then like a John McClane type character in the middle who has to stop them and that's fairly.

And then chaos ensues as they try and stop the cons on a plane. In a nutshell, you can't get much more on point.

Darren: 00:04:12

I don't think it's a type of film where they would have designed the poster first.

Paul: 00:04:16

Yes.

Darren: 00:04:16

And came up with the title and be like, this will just sell like crazy. Now we need a story.

Paul: 00:04:22

I kept thinking, which is a lot.

Marc: 00:04:23

Of action films, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

Paul: 00:04:26

I kept thinking this was the ultimate film for one man, one plane full of cons. And then I watched the trailer and the trailer literally has voiceover man on it saying, Nicolas Cage in Con Air.

Marc: 00:04:39

I don't know, I never think to watch the trailers.

I should oh yeah, because a lot like sometimes there's like three or four different trailers for a film because they sort of drip feed you a bit more.

Paul: 00:04:46

That's true, yeah. Yeah. Like the teaser and then used to.

Marc: 00:04:48

Be before the Internet trailers were.

Paul: 00:04:50

I know the only place we'd see.

Marc: 00:04:52

Would be in the cinema.

Paul: 00:04:53

People would pay to watch on some big films to watch the trailer, to walk out. But yeah, I did laugh when I watched the trailer because I thought it's proper one man.

Darren: 00:05:01

I remember playing Call of Duty or Battlefield and there was posters of films being advertised in the game.

Marc: 00:05:06

That's amazing.

Darren: 00:05:07

Yeah.

Marc: 00:05:08

Darren, I've. Somebody told me that the same people in Sea of Thieves attacked them playing the same music.

Darren: 00:05:15

Really? It's amazing.

Marc: 00:05:17

Like famous going around hijacking people even I don't even play the game. But that was a funny story.

Darren: 00:05:23

Nice.

Marc: 00:05:25

Anyway, so in a nutshell, Darren, anything.

Darren: 00:05:28

Else to add on this in terms of what's it about?

Marc: 00:05:31

The basic plot? Without spoiling it, I give too much away.

Darren: 00:05:33

What? No.

Marc: 00:05:34

What else is this film about?

Darren: 00:05:36

To be honest, it really isn't about anything.

Marc: 00:05:37

No, it's what it does. What it says on the tent.

Darren: 00:05:41

I mean, you could argue there's a little bit where they are talking about the treatment of prisoners and there's a bit where I think John Cusack character says these. He's a true product of the system. And then the DEA guy where I was like, are you telling me we created these monsters?

And he's like, well, you know, do some research. Yeah, like we are so. And it is looking at, you know, it's. It's totally dehumanizing these people and it's not rehabilitation at all.

And you know, I think, I'm sure you guys have seen prisons in Holland and stuff like that. It basically looks like a really nice student dorm and they're treated like human beings so that they can be rehabilitated.

Whereas it feels like if America is anything like conair that prisoners are treated like animals. And that's not going to help anyone.

Marc: 00:06:24

We don't go too much detail because I don't think we need to. Okay, let's go to ratings and reviews. This is interesting. The critics review was 58 and the users were 75.

Darren: 00:06:36

Yeah, that makes sense.

Marc: 00:06:37

Big difference.

Paul: 00:06:37

Yeah, that makes sense.

Marc: 00:06:38

So the fans generally like it. Critics.

Paul: 00:06:40

It's not a critics sort of film.

Marc: 00:06:42

It's not Citizen Kane.

Paul: 00:06:43

It's not Citizen Kane. No.

Marc: 00:06:45

IMDb was 6.9. Metacritic, the critics. The critics was 52 and the users 7.4 fans liked it. Critics, not so much. Couple of reviews.

So David Anson of Newsweek said, the saving grace of Conair is its sense of its own absurdity. Rosenberg and director Simon west seem to know just how. How preposterous their story is.

Carol Buckland of CNN.com it's exhausting rather than exhilarating.

Darren: 00:07:12

Roger Ebert, he would hate it.

Marc: 00:07:15

This is a movie that knows it is absurd and does little to deny it.

Darren: 00:07:19

Right, that's it.

Paul: 00:07:20

So he sort of said, it's doing what it says on the tin.

Darren: 00:07:23

Yeah.

Marc: 00:07:24

He's almost saying, what did you expect?

Paul: 00:07:26

Yeah, I would say this is the sort of film you'd want to watch if you're very much into them big 90s action films. So you're talking. There's a few Nick Cage ones, isn't that. There's Face Off.

Darren: 00:07:39

You're just going to list Proclaimer and Simpson movies.

Paul: 00:07:41

Yeah, I know.

Darren: 00:07:41

Yeah. Gone in 60 seconds.

Paul: 00:07:43

Yeah, they're all Brooke.

Marc: 00:07:45

If you like general classic action films, this is.

Paul: 00:07:47

Right. You know, it could have been directed by a Michael Bay or a Tony Scott or that kind of thing.

Darren: 00:07:52

Yeah, it's. The guy's trying to copy Michael Bay. He's doing Michael Bay. Light it.

Paul: 00:07:57

Michael Bay Light.

Darren: 00:07:57

Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:07:58

But if you're into that kind of action 90s explosions, popcorn film, this. This I would say is for you.

Marc: 00:08:04

And obviously as a stat show, it went down well at the time.

Paul: 00:08:07

There you go.

Marc: 00:08:08

Need to find out how things have done. Like streaming wise, you dig into like, obviously we know if it's older, it's box office, but like, what's it streaming career? How's it.

Do you know what I mean?

Darren: 00:08:16

I wouldn't trust streaming services to say that. Yeah.

Marc: 00:08:20

We'll be honest with this.

Darren: 00:08:21

This is what's streaming this week. I'm like, oh, you just promoting it. And now because you've put it, it's is doing well this week. Everyone's like number one in the UK now.

Well, it is now.

Marc: 00:08:30

They have the power to do that, don't they? Yeah, people just believe what they tell them.

Darren: 00:08:33

Yeah.

Marc: 00:08:33

So we got into part two, which is now called Unboxing. In part two, the unboxing, we have. What did we miss? Test of time. And then at the very end, you'll find out what we think.

Darren: 00:08:49

Cool.

Marc: 00:08:49

So in what did we miss? We will challenge the way you see this movie and reveal what you may have missed, even if you've seen this movie many times.

Plus, Paul will give us his facts of the day in Test of Time. If it's an older movie, we will discuss what would happen if it was released today.

If it's a more modern movie, we would discuss what would happen if it was released 25 years ago. And what do we think? You'll finally hear what we think. So what did we miss about Con Air?

Darren: 00:09:12

Well, we can start with the directors, because we were just talking about that. So it's directed by Simon west, and I think we've talked a bit before about auteur theory, which is the idea that a director has a distinct style.

And usually the auteurs are the ones that you know the name of. So you know the name Michael Bay because he's got a very distinct style called Bayhem.

Paul: 00:09:29

Bayhem.

Marc: 00:09:30

John Woo.

Darren: 00:09:31

Yeah, exactly.

Paul: 00:09:33

That's Face Off.

Darren: 00:09:34

Simon west is not a name. I know. We checked what he made, and it's all just, you know, okay, action movies.

Paul: 00:09:40

Tomb Raider, isn't it?

Darren: 00:09:41

Yeah, totally. Very soft, very forgettable. General's Daughter, stuff like that. And so that's kind of interesting to me because.

Because they've got a powerful set of producers. They've got Bruckheimer and Simpson as the producers on this, and Bruckheimer.

Simpson basically created the summer blockbuster, like, they're that Big. And the Top Gun, Days of Thunder, you said the Rock, the Bad Boys, tons. And.

Paul: 00:10:05

And then it runs into. With Bruckheimer, it runs into kind of the Pirates of the Caribbean and all those ones.

Darren: 00:10:10

Absolutely. And my friend Uni, my friend Becky, she did her dissertation on can a producer be an alternate? She did it on Bruckheimer and Simpson.

And her conclusion is like. Yeah, when you're watching, you just know it's a movie. You just wait. This feels like Brockheimer. But they did Beverly Hills Couple as well.

Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:10:26

They did the first two, but not the third one, Ted Rich kind of shows.

Darren: 00:10:29

Yeah. So it's just kind of interesting to me that Bruckheimer, Simpson have a distinct style.

And you can take it further with Nightmare Before Christmas, because Nightmare Before Christmas is not directed by Tim Burton. It feels like Tim Burton. It's actually directed by Henry Selleck. But Tim Burton is a producer, so clearly got his fingers into every element of it.

And Henry Selleck's trying to do a Tim Burton movie, basically.

Paul: 00:10:53

And they even call it, don't they, Tim Burton's Nightmare Christmas?

Darren: 00:10:56

They do. But he was doing Batman. Yeah.

Paul: 00:10:57

Yes.

Darren: 00:10:58

So it's interesting to me that a producer can have that much sway and control over a director. Don Simpson was a very hedonistic person, and I believe died because of that.

And so there's this cool thing with the logo that I was trying to check because the logo is like two things of lightning hitting a tree.

Paul: 00:11:17

Yeah.

Darren: 00:11:17

And then I'm sure they then removed one of the pieces of lightning, but then it's back if it's a sequel to a movie he made with Don Simpson. Anyway, I don't know if you guys are interested in all that, but I'm.

Paul: 00:11:28

Sure I've seen as well.

Marc: 00:11:29

I'm so interested.

Paul: 00:11:30

I'm trying to think on, like, the latest Bad Boys, because he started the Bad Boys. Did they still put Don Simpson on? I'm. I think they might, you know.

Yeah, I think they might still put Simpson Brookhave, even though obviously it's just Brooke.

Darren: 00:11:41

I'm a. Technically, they're crazy talented guys and. And basically Armageddon would be something they did.

They kind of make action music videos, basically, is what they are. So. Yeah, that was kind of interesting, I thought.

Another thing I picked up on is the plane is kind of like a microcosm of America because the differentiation and diversity is actually really, really good. So then I started, while I was watching it, I was like, huh, what does all of this mean? So I think I've got.

I think I wrote some notes on this, but otherwise I'll just have to riff on it. Okay. So there's. You've got to think about the pecking order.

Paul: 00:12:16

Okay.

Darren: 00:12:17

So the lowest on the pecking order, you could almost argue, is the one is the woman, because she's, you know, basically, she's a prison guard as well. But she's also obviously under threat of sexual assault.

Paul: 00:12:28

You know, I really liked her in the film, though. She's tough and she was sassy.

Darren: 00:12:31

Just above her is the Native American Indian. Like, he's there. They chose to put a Native American Indian on the film.

It's kind of going into spoiler territory, so I won't say what happens, but this Native American Indian does not get treated well. And then above. Who would you put above that? A guy with all tattoos. What's his name again? Danny Trejo.

So you could argue that he is also treated badly. So then it comes out between the fight between the African Americans and the white guys, they're the top of the food chain.

Paul: 00:12:58

This is the bit that we did miss because I never even thought of this.

Marc: 00:13:01

I know a lot of cons on.

Darren: 00:13:03

The plane, but validity to that, like, it's. But. But it only triggered when I was like, wow, you put a Native American Indian on there that. That's an unusual character. Yeah, exactly.

And then he's treated the.

Marc: 00:13:17

Just a box ticking thing.

Darren: 00:13:19

I don't know. But also, I think that's probably why it did well, because there's. Everyone can see a version of Representation. Representation. Yeah, It's.

That's good.

Paul: 00:13:26

It's a tricky sell, though, in a sense. Isn't it, though? Because you've got a plane full of, in a sense, murderers and rapists and pedophiles. Pedophile.

And like a plane full of not particularly nice people.

But then you're stuck on the plane with them and you've got Nick Cage's character who, you know, no big spoiler, but he's the hero of the film as the title character who you're rooting for. But he's very much in with all these ragtag criminals.

But yet, because you've got character actors playing them, it's obviously interesting to watch them play these parts.

Marc: 00:14:01

Yeah, yeah. It's cross section of America in a plane, really.

Darren: 00:14:05

It's just it. You can read. Do the same reading into Predator because his team is made up of a wide range of people. They kind of represent everyone. So. Yeah.

The other thing is that I thought was really cool is you've basically got a trans character.

Paul: 00:14:19

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

Darren: 00:14:21

Yeah, totally. And not only is she safe, but she's also celebrated.

Paul: 00:14:27

Yeah. Part of the gang. Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:14:30

Like, this is really good. Kind of. I mean, she's. She's still a con and she's still on a plane and she must have done some very, very bad stuff. But I was, okay, cool.

That's interesting. So, yeah, I like that. Other than that, it kind of bounces around. Like there's some really cool, like, feminist stuff going on.

Like, at one point, he, you know, he says, you don't treat women like that. And. And that's cool principle. At the same time, you know, he hopes his daughter grows up to be a beauty pageant queen.

Marc: 00:14:58

That was very much of its time.

Darren: 00:15:01

That's mainly the stuff that's going on. It's not. Yeah. Microcosm. And I thought the trans representation was really cool. And it is crapping on the American justice system.

Marc: 00:15:09

Going back to what you're saying about the. The producers.

Darren: 00:15:11

Yeah.

Marc: 00:15:12

And the directors and the writers. Like, do they care about the box office in the day or do they just look at their piece of art?

Darren: 00:15:18

Box office. Brock Hyman Simpson's box office.

Paul: 00:15:21

This is very much so.

Marc: 00:15:22

It's like what they judged on, basically.

Darren: 00:15:24

Yeah, totally. They're not Going for an Oscar, when.

Marc: 00:15:26

They put all this work into it, it's like all they care about is if it makes enough. A certain amount of money.

Darren: 00:15:30

Yeah, which is a shame. Predominantly going to be it, I think. But you've got people like Chris Nolan. He'll do one for. One for the money and one for the art.

That's true, but he's.

Marc: 00:15:39

Is that why some movies get ruined then? Because they do. They make poor decisions based on what they think is going to make money rather than just.

Darren: 00:15:45

Yeah, and they do, they do take test screenings with audiences and you know, and that will impact it a lot. Sometimes they'll, you know, even just take the film off of the director.

Why we get directors cuts because they'll cut it in a way that they don't want.

Marc: 00:15:57

I like them.

Paul: 00:15:58

And then it goes back to what the original vision was before the producers got involved and said, oh, change that. Remove that substory. The Daredevil film's a good example of that. The actual Daredevil cinema cut kind of got panned. Isn't particularly.

I kind of enjoyed it, to be fair, but most people panned it, didn't like it.

And then if you watch the director's cut, there's this sub story about him as a lawyer and it's all kind of entangled into it and it makes it such a big better film. The director super bit deeper, it's longer. But obviously they wanted. They wanted a Spider man film, so they took all that out and made it.

Darren: 00:16:29

Sure.

Marc: 00:16:29

They cut things out for the sake of time.

Darren: 00:16:31

Yeah, yeah, they do, absolutely. But then. And that was because that is an issue with cinema.

Like if you've got, you know, however many slots to show a film in a day, a three hour film maybe you can only show three times, but a 90 minute film, you can show six times. So you're getting more money.

Paul: 00:16:46

And you've got to remember this is 97, so it's the time of these.

Marc: 00:16:52

Right in the mix of all those.

Paul: 00:16:54

Yeah, all these big blacks. So one of the things I read, I think, is this came out literally within a month of or very close to Face off coming out.

Marc: 00:17:01

Wow.

Paul: 00:17:01

So Nick Cage had John Woo's Face off coming out and this coming out around similar time. So Bruckheimer and Simpson clearly know the market, what they're going for. Big blockbuster action film, One Man, One plane, you know, all that stuff.

And it sells.

Darren: 00:17:18

And this was like, I mean, it's Michael Bass. It's a slow motion camera going around the guys. He slowly stands up explosions and really gorgeous cars. Yeah. The opening.

This is like an apocalyptic movie. Just like they're fighting in the rain and there's like oil drills behind him. Fire going into the air. It's like, where are you, Michael?

Paul: 00:17:37

Bay 101. That's what you got to have if you're having a fight. Yeah.

Marc: 00:17:41

Anything else to add?

Paul: 00:17:42

There's the patriotism almost to it, where it opens up around. And again, this isn't really a spoiler as much because Nicolas Cage's character is this Ranger, which it says in. In the synopsis.

But there's his patriotism, I suppose, of the whole. Never leave a fallen comrade or Ranger behind. And then you're putting him in this situation. And again, it's the John McClane die hard thing is.

Darren: 00:18:05

But it's also such a jump between, like, the Rangers are the finest of Americans military. And then we meet him and he sounds like Forrest Gump there is that.

Paul: 00:18:15

Yeah.

Darren: 00:18:17

He doesn't seem too bright.

Paul: 00:18:19

No. But there's a bit of romance in there.

Marc: 00:18:20

To kill you with a single thought.

Paul: 00:18:22

Yes, there's a bit of romance in there as well.

Marc: 00:18:25

Yeah.

Paul: 00:18:25

I didn't sell that, particularly as the. What this film's bringing you, but I.

Darren: 00:18:29

Did like that there's. So the cinematic world is called the diegesis, and you have digestic, non digestic music.

So digestic music is music that's coming from the universe so the characters can hear it. And non diegetics, you can't hear it. Yeah. Okay. And this is. And that theme song is. You know, how do I.

Marc: 00:18:47

How do I. Yeah, that rhymes.

Darren: 00:18:50

There's a bit. I think it's near the end when.

Paul: 00:18:51

It'S not Liam rhymes in the film, but she did have a big hit out of it.

Marc: 00:18:54

That's not her.

Paul: 00:18:55

Well, yeah, she sang it too. I think it was Martina McBride.

Darren: 00:19:00

Okay. Well, that music plays and it's almost like he hears it and then he looks around looking for his wife. And I was. Oh, that was cute.

Like, he's her theme song. But it does. I mean, it's got two, basically two songs in this movie. And my boy does it freaking let us know they exist.

Like Sweetheart, Sweet Home Alabama doesn't kick into 40 minutes, I think.

Marc: 00:19:19

Yeah.

Paul: 00:19:20

Oh, no, it was. It was the am rhymes. Sorry, I'm talking. I'm talking absolutely rubbish.

I'm thinking of another film where everyone thinks it's someone, but it's actually someone else. Yeah. No, it is Liam rhymes. And she was 14 when she performed it, apparently.

Darren: 00:19:31

Jesus.

Paul: 00:19:32

Hell, yeah. The theme song, How Do I Live? Was Originally performed by 14 year old Liam Ribs.

Darren: 00:19:37

Yeah.

Paul: 00:19:37

And it was a big hit. So like Darren said, the fact it keeps creeping in is. It's quite funny.

Darren: 00:19:43

It is.

Paul: 00:19:43

Oh, there it is.

Marc: 00:19:44

Anything else to add?

Darren: 00:19:45

Okay, the only other thing I've got is Dave fucking Chappelle's in this.

Marc: 00:19:49

Yes, Yes. I had to pause and Google, is that Dave motherfucking Chappelle? That's him, yeah. That's insane. I had no idea.

Darren: 00:19:59

Yeah, he was good in it as well.

Marc: 00:20:00

Yeah, he was.

Paul: 00:20:01

He improvised many of his lines.

Marc: 00:20:02

Oh, yeah, of course, he's a comedian.

Paul: 00:20:03

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:20:05

That takes us smoothly into facts of the day.

Paul: 00:20:09

Now my first fact of the day is a bit random, but it brings it back to Cumbria. So I thought, I'm going to throw it in, I'm going to throw it in.

So the director of photography is a guy called David Tattersall and it came up in the credits.

And I know David Tatsall because basically he worked on the young Indiana Jones TV show with George Lucas and he also worked on stuff like the Green Mile and he shot all the Star wars prequels. He was one of the first people with Episode two to prototype digital cinema cameras. So why am I talking about David Tatsol?

Because he's actually from my hometown Barrow in Furness.

Darren: 00:20:45

Nice.

Paul: 00:20:46

And it's like nothing good comes out of Barrow in Furnace.

Marc: 00:20:50

Why?

Paul: 00:20:50

I don't know. Why did I leave? Why do any of us leave? No offense to my Barrow friends and family. And that's me cancelled, isn't it? From Barrow. But.

But yeah, David Tattersall's from actually Barrow and Furness. So there you go. And he. This, I think looking at his. He's done all kinds of different films. He hasn't really got a specific genre.

He jumps about a lot, does lots of different things. But this was one of his first kind of big Hollywood action films by the looks of it. And then he was. What time of week? 97.

So he did the Star wars prequels kind of after this. But he's done all kinds of different stuff. So there you go, that's the director of photography.

Darren: 00:21:24

Nice.

Paul: 00:21:24

In case you want to go to that level of nerdiness.

Marc: 00:21:26

Excellent.

Paul: 00:21:27

John Malkovich turned down the lead role in Air Force One to do this film.

Darren: 00:21:33

But it's hard to know because maybe it was shot nearer his house so he could go home every night to see his family. Maybe the money was better. Maybe he'd always wanted to work with.

Paul: 00:21:41

John Cusack and It did say somewhere in my notes here where it kind of changed him as the French lead romantic figure into more of a villain. So maybe he just wanted the challenge to play something different.

The song How Do I Live, which we discussed before, was nominated for both an Oscar as Best original Song and a Razzie as worst original song, and it did not win either award. So a Razzie, if you don't know podcasters, but you probably do because you're in movies, is kind of the joke. Oscars.

How would you describe it, Darren? You'll probably have a good description of this. It's the.

Darren: 00:22:14

Yeah, it's. It's awards for poor performance.

Paul: 00:22:17

Yeah.

Darren: 00:22:17

But some people are really cool. They take it well.

Paul: 00:22:20

Sandra Bullock turned up once, didn't she?

Darren: 00:22:22

So did the woman who played Catwoman.

Paul: 00:22:25

Oh, Halberry.

Darren: 00:22:26

I'm sure she did, yeah.

Marc: 00:22:27

Michelle Pfeiffer.

Darren: 00:22:28

No, no, Halle Berry did. And he also. They returned one, I think to Bruce Willis because he got one. But then they realized he's got. He's deteriorating his near something.

Paul: 00:22:37

Yeah, yeah, he's got displacer. No, I was saying that wrong. But he's got something problem. Yeah, but there you go.

So it was nominated for both an Oscar and a Razzie, but never won either. During the press for this film, John Malkovich was asked why he did this film. He gave the simple one word answer. Money.

Darren: 00:22:55

Yeah.

Paul: 00:22:55

So maybe it wasn't anything to do with any of the other stuff. It was just.

Marc: 00:22:58

I bet the people who made the film were chuffed with him for saying that. And thanks.

Darren: 00:23:02

Well, Michael Caine did Jaws 3.

Paul: 00:23:04

Oh, yeah, he said this and it didn't he pay off?

Darren: 00:23:07

Yeah. I haven't seen the film, but I appreciate the house it bought for me.

Paul: 00:23:11

That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Bought my house.

And then final one, because we could go on all day, but Nicolas Cage traveled to Alabama to work on his accent, which I'm not going to try and do because I'll fail.

Marc: 00:23:23

s movie has been plucked from: 1997

Darren: 00:23:33

It's problematic in parts, but I think it could be released as is. I think, you know, dumb movies are still made, you know, in fact, now they're using.

I fully suspect they're using AI to write scripts because they're getting very, very silly. So, yeah, I think this could easily be made again now because it's. It's the same format, you know, it's like Die Hard.

It's like Die Hard on a bus or Die Hard in a spaceship or whatever. And this is same kind of.

Marc: 00:23:57

I would like to see that one.

Paul: 00:23:58

Mr. Bruckheimer, if you're listening, Die Hard on a spaceship, just give us a, you know, right to our email address.

Darren: 00:24:06

A movie called Lockdown with Guy Pearce, which is actually more like Escape from New York on a spaceship.

Paul: 00:24:11

That sounds good, right? Upholstery test of time. Yeah, I think it would. Like Darren said, but maybe there's a hint of.

Since like Tropic Thunder and that kind of film where they parody other sort of films, I feel like it would be maybe badge more of the comedy than it was back in the day. Back in the day.

Marc: 00:24:32

Big comedy elements to action.

Paul: 00:24:34

There's definitely some scenes of the film where I was thinking it's almost like a Tropic Thunder kind of parody of it. You can imagine this stuff blowing up and people go in slow motion away from the explosions and things. Yeah, it probably would.

Like Darren said, it's a big, I.

Marc: 00:24:48

Don'T think, daft movie. Like. Like some of the reviews said, like, it's not hiding its absurdity. Everyone knows you would.

You would take it on face value and go, yeah, it's an action film. It's. It is what it is.

Paul: 00:24:58

Yeah. I feel like the comedy aspect of it back in 97, I imagine people watching it and sort of just taking it in.

Now I think they would watch it and be just like, that's ridiculous. Because they're a bit more used to realism and.

Marc: 00:25:09

Yeah.

Paul: 00:25:09

Nolan films or whatever.

Marc: 00:25:11

I mean, back then, you would just add it. Oh, that's like this film. That's like this film.

Paul: 00:25:15

Yeah.

Marc: 00:25:15

I can put in the character.

Paul: 00:25:16

Oh, I love the rock. I'm gonna go and watch this.

Marc: 00:25:18

Yeah, there's loads of films like that, but if it came out now. Yeah, I think it would be. It would be fine. It would obviously have its critics.

Darren: 00:25:24

Yeah. I mean, some of the special effects are a little bit ropey, but we still get movies now with ropey special effects.

Paul: 00:25:29

Depends on the budget for 97, they hold up pretty good.

Marc: 00:25:32

If it was to be redone today, they would just. I think. What were some of the themes that might be questionable, would you say?

Darren: 00:25:38

It's more just, you know, the one female guard is obviously under threat. Yeah, I think they didn't put her in enough danger, really. I think. I think a woman alone.

Marc: 00:25:49

Think of what could have happened.

Darren: 00:25:51

Yeah, absolutely. Like, these are 10 con or however many convicts who wouldn't have had sex for decades. And they're not going to, like.

Yeah, but also, you know, how safe is a woman? Even if they weren't convicts.

Paul: 00:26:04

And I. I still think if they remade it, they'd make it dafter almost, if that's possible. They'd lean into the comedy side a bit.

Marc: 00:26:10

Yeah, the absurdity.

Paul: 00:26:11

The absurdity.

Marc: 00:26:12

They probably make it more funny.

Paul: 00:26:13

Yeah. Like, one line is dropping, like, change.

Marc: 00:26:16

Into an action comedy rather than an action thriller. So I think we all agreed. Yes, it would hold up.

Darren: 00:26:20

Yes. I think it could be released today. Yes. Dumber movies have been released recently. Yes.

Marc: 00:26:28

The final part of Part two is. What do we think? So this is where we finally get to say our opinion. Paul, I'm gonna go with you first.

Paul: 00:26:35

Okay. Okay.

Out of those kind of films, the Face Offs and the Rock and Armageddon and that kind of genre of films, this probably isn't one of my favorite ones, I will say. But I don't think I saw it back in the day, so I've not got the nostalgia linked to it.

So if it was like Bad Boys, where I saw it back in the day a bit more, maybe I'd have more nostalgia link to it. But for me, it's just. It's a big dumb movie. It knows it's a big dumb movie, but sometimes I just feel like they push it so far into absurdness.

It's like, oh, my God. I don't know. I'm trying to think of the moments where it's like when they're on the motorcycles and the fire engine.

It's like, how much can we throw at this film? Having said that, it's so. It's enjoyable. It's. It's doing what it says on the tin.

But if I had the option to watch this or the Rock, I'd go for the Rock. Or there'd be other films of that 90s blockbuster thing that I would pick before watching this. But I do like John Cusack. I do like Nicolas Cage.

I like the people in it. Ryan, I can see why this might be one of your favorites.

Marc: 00:27:36

If you like those sort of movies.

Paul: 00:27:37

If you like.

Marc: 00:27:38

It's got everything you'd want in it.

Paul: 00:27:39

And then, you know, at the end where the landing on the Runway in Vegas land, it just. It just keeps amping it up. So I can. I can see why you love it.

But for me, yeah, I'd probably pick other ones before this one if I was looking for a dumb action film. But I still enjoyed it.

Marc: 00:27:53

Me, too. Yeah. It was. For me, it was a trip down memory lane. I'd forgotten most of the film. I remember seeing it a few times back in the day.

I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For me, I was laughing a lot. It was so absurd. It was funny. And those are the parts I was going, I.

Paul: 00:28:07

A bit over the top.

Marc: 00:28:07

That's like. That is ridiculous. Some of it I like. Some of I didn't. So, yeah, I enjoyed it. Overall, I knew. I knew what I was in for, so I wasn't expecting a lot.

I wasn't taking it too seriously. But, yeah, overall, I enjoyed it.

Paul: 00:28:18

I feel like. I know, I know. Darren's reaction.

Marc: 00:28:21

We move over to Darren.

Darren: 00:28:23

Oh, my God. I feel like such a nice. It's not because I'm a film lecturer. Honestly, I loved this when I was a kid.

I remember quoting this a lot to my brothers, but the quotes were problematic. Like, you know, I give half my life for a piece of that ass and stuff.

Paul: 00:28:37

Darren Hahn.

Darren: 00:28:38

Yeah, I. I really struggled. I thought it was just too stupid. And also, I got more upset because, you know, I'm a dad now and I've got a daughter as well.

And this poor girl, like, the stuff they put her through. Why she. Why she. Why is she even in the room being spoken to by, like, John Cusack with the mum. And then they take her out to Vegas.

Like, it's just weird. Yeah, that should be nowhere near.

Paul: 00:29:02

Yeah, but it's so they can be there with the Leann Rimes song in the background. It is, yeah.

Darren: 00:29:06

It's like, no one's gonna do that. It just seemed dumb. And the fact that he got. And even those guys at the beginning, like, when they go up and I give half my life a piece of that ass.

And they go up to her and he's like, who are these people? And they're. Oh, they're regulars. I was like, they're regulars. So why is it today you've just been like, oh, now I'm gonna hit on her?

And if they're regulars. How do you not know that she's married to a ranger? Like, what? Just height of dumbness. And then.

Paul: 00:29:31

Because they have to have the Fight in the Rain.

Darren: 00:29:33

Right?

Paul: 00:29:33

I know. It does feel like Paint by Numbers AI before the war.

Marc: 00:29:36

I can tell you now, if we ever filming these, these are going to be viral. Absolutely viral.

Darren: 00:29:42

And then the plane has taken off, and then they request three, like, Apache helicopters. Then they get there. So was that half hour later or something? And then they chase the plane and catch it yeah, no, planes are.

That plane was going 286 miles an hour or something. Ridiculous. It was like insane. So, yeah, that was dumb. Then the plane kind of semi crashes into like the ground, isn't it? The nose is in the ground.

So these prisoners get out, tie ropes to it.

Paul: 00:30:12

Yep.

Darren: 00:30:13

And pull it back out.

Marc: 00:30:14

That was one of the bits I was thinking of.

Paul: 00:30:17

I just kept thinking Tropic Thunder where it just kept more absurd. It's like I could just see Ben Stiller being like, come on.

Darren: 00:30:23

It's like strong men pull what they pull like an 18 wheeler or something.

Paul: 00:30:27

And well, these guys can pull a plane to her.

Darren: 00:30:29

It's just that was.

Paul: 00:30:30

You have to have your escapism switch on.

Darren: 00:30:32

And why does John Cusack tie the car to the plane?

Paul: 00:30:34

Yeah, that was a bit random.

Marc: 00:30:35

No, it wasn't junk. It's like it was Nicholas Cage.

Darren: 00:30:37

Why does he do that? Right?

Marc: 00:30:39

Because. Why did it? Because he does not. He think he's gonna, he's gonna get, he's gonna go with, he's gonna go off with the police.

Darren: 00:30:44

Right. Okay.

Marc: 00:30:44

He thinks he's gonna get out of there because they're coming. So if he can hold them long enough till the police arrive, he could go with them.

Darren: 00:30:49

And the plane was supposed, the car was supposed to hold the plane down.

Paul: 00:30:53

I, I, I, I think they did it just so they had a shot of a car hanging out the back of a plane. He says, break.

Marc: 00:31:00

Someone did that. Who did it? And why doesn't he.

Paul: 00:31:03

It was a plot point, Darren. It was part of the jigsaw of the plot.

Darren: 00:31:06

It was basically like playing GTA 5. That's kind of what it felt like. And which is fun. I absolutely get that.

Marc: 00:31:13

The aspects of the absurdity reminded me of like Fast and Furious.

Darren: 00:31:16

Yeah.

Paul: 00:31:17

I forgot how much it amped up though, because it crashes on the Strip. But then they're on the motorcycles and then they're chasing the fire trucks and I'm just like, at least they've gone all in.

You know, let's just throw everything at this so I can see why it's right.

Darren: 00:31:30

And it was some good tension. Like the diabetes thing was tense. And also, you know, then the female guards like safety. That was tells nervous. That was.

Paul: 00:31:38

I thought she was a good actress.

Darren: 00:31:40

Yeah, she was good. But then it feels like just a dick measuring contest. And at the beginning it's like the guy's playing top trumps.

He's like, you know, what's this guy? Cyrus? Cyrus the virus. 15 kills. It's like What? What are you doing? It was kind of making them legends, just like. But they were.

They're like, Steve Buscemi is the legend of the whatever and whatever strung up like Hannibal Lecter. I like the fact he didn't talk that much. He reminded me of Vinnie Jones in gone in 60 seconds. But he doesn't talk for the whole movie.

They need to something really intelligent at the end. That was kind of fun. Like Steve was saying also, like for.

Paul: 00:32:18

The benefit of the listener, Darren, he's.

Darren: 00:32:21

Like a serial murderer. Like he'll tons of people and then we're just happy because it doesn't cure the girl. He's still out there.

Paul: 00:32:29

That is an uncomfortable scene.

Darren: 00:32:32

It is uncomfortable scene. That's one of the better scenes, I think, because that is genuinely unnerving. Like.

Paul: 00:32:37

But it seems like it doesn't fit with the. The kind of rest of it all.

Marc: 00:32:40

There's one bit at the end where Nicolas Cage is about to be reunited with his wife and daughter. And then he sees John Markovich. Yeah. And the other guy on the top of a fire truck driving off and he starts to eat.

He sees his wife and his daughter and he decides to go after that, like off.

Darren: 00:32:54

Yeah.

Marc: 00:32:54

You are not doing that.

Darren: 00:32:55

No, totally.

Marc: 00:32:56

Everything you've been through, you've made it home. Your whole point of this whole thing. They're right in front of you and he's gonna go off and I'm like, nah, not having it.

Paul: 00:33:03

No, he's a ranger.

Marc: 00:33:04

He's a family man as well.

Darren: 00:33:05

Yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:33:07

That annoyed me though.

Darren: 00:33:08

Yeah. And I loved the whole bit with the letters back and forth. That was.

Paul: 00:33:11

Yeah.

Darren: 00:33:11

But also. It was also just made me realize how many people were in prison for crimes that maybe they shouldn't be.

And means these kids are growing up without like one of their parents.

Marc: 00:33:19

He should not have been out playing with those criminals. No, Totally comparable. It's like.

Darren: 00:33:23

Yeah. That's also just insane.

Marc: 00:33:24

You kill.

Darren: 00:33:25

Why would you put self defense? What you would do is crash the plane.

Paul: 00:33:30

Why are you thinking about the plot too much? It's, you know, the plot needs to happen to get them in the plane.

Darren: 00:33:36

Yeah.

Marc: 00:33:37

As a dad, blow things at the end when he got renated with his daughter. That did get me.

Darren: 00:33:40

Oh yeah.

Paul: 00:33:41

Liam Rams was there again. Howdy.

Marc: 00:33:44

But also like his daughter like. But not like wanting to have been a bit scared of him.

Darren: 00:33:48

Yeah.

Paul: 00:33:48

Oh yeah.

Marc: 00:33:49

That was cute. Right in the feels.

Darren: 00:33:51

You think he would have got a haircut though, right? Oh, you think? He does say.

Marc: 00:33:56

He gives it this dirty Rabbit.

Darren: 00:33:58

Yeah. Also even the prison. Did you remember the scene where he's like doing. I know, upside down handstands, whatever, and then the hallways on fire? What?

What?

Paul: 00:34:09

Well, it's just showing that he's. He's keeping sane in the.

Marc: 00:34:12

Yeah.

Paul: 00:34:12

I don't know. I'm trying to think.

Marc: 00:34:13

This is Nicholas Cage in his prime. He looked good. Oh, yeah, he was a good looking man. The hair and the physique.

Paul: 00:34:19

Yeah, it was like, how can we get him in in a vest with his hair and set him off on a plane of cons?

Darren: 00:34:26

Totally. Steve Persemi was superb. I thought he, he kind of carried it a lot. I thought. He's, he's.

Paul: 00:34:30

And he's not in it that much, is he? Sort of.

Darren: 00:34:32

No.

Paul: 00:34:33

Very.

Darren: 00:34:33

Well, hardly anyone's in it that much because there's so many of them.

Paul: 00:34:35

Yeah, Chappelle was quite fun. Yeah, he was in it for a bit.

Darren: 00:34:39

Yeah, he was fun. But again, it was like bad boys. I just didn't think the jokes really landed. Landed that much. It weren't that funny. Like, you know, the bunny gets it.

What were you talking about?

Paul: 00:34:49

Yeah, I think I'm gonna use that line as my send off.

Darren: 00:34:51

And how convenient that they put the transponder on a plane in a storm. And that guy's like, yeah, we can do a tour. What?

Paul: 00:34:59

But, but then there's the lines in it where I'm like, yeah, they, they know how absurd this is. Where the guy, he's under the car and he's like, I need a syringe. And he's like, oh, no, drugs will end you, son. It's like, what the hell's going.

And then he's like, don't panic, sir. And he's like, I need to take a piss. Oh yeah, there's lots of random bits where you're like, yeah, but that's probably the fun of.

Darren: 00:35:22

I like the bit where they say, hey, lady to the guard, and she's like, lady is a dog in a Disney movie. And I was like, yeah, you don't take that crap. But yeah, so like, yeah, it's dumb and I do like dumb movies. Genuinely, I like dumb movies.

Yeah, but this. I was just like, nah, I it. My teenage self loved it, but I don't like it.

But also, I also don't like movies that don't have something to say these days. I'm not going to spend that much money.

Paul: 00:35:44

That's the film lecture in you.

Darren: 00:35:46

Yeah, well, I also just think, try and make the try. And you don't have to make the world a better place, but do something like influence the world in some way. So I just wish they'd pick a lane.

Like, they could have said something about the rehabilitation of prisoners. It could have gone down that route to women or. Yeah, exactly. Or diversity or whatever it is. But it was a very, very dumb movie.

And like Paul says, exactly, like the Rock is phenomenally much better and much funnier and better lines, better dialogue.

Paul: 00:36:12

I could watch that. Yeah, I've seen that a lot more.

Marc: 00:36:15

So we'll do that at some point as well.

Darren: 00:36:17

Have you seen the Theory that Sean Connery. Strange Bond. Yeah. Yes.

Marc: 00:36:19

Yeah.

Paul: 00:36:20

In fact, we need to pick that just so we can go down that rabbit hole, don't we?

Marc: 00:36:23

That's good. That's good.

Paul: 00:36:24

But. But that's where I'm watching this, thinking, yeah, I'm enjoying it. It's big daft fun. But it's kind of taking it too absurd.

And the guys rather watch the Rock.

Darren: 00:36:32

It's like bad words again. It's like lots of yelling and the guy from Star Trek just yells at people. Makes the DA seem like a bunch of twats.

Paul: 00:36:38

I. I still like from Star Trek. I know you mean. Oh, that was one of my facts of the day. I forgot. Apparently he's got a Star Trek thing. Col Meanie.

Is that his name? Yeah, yeah, apparently he's got some kind of Star Trek thing on his chain.

Darren: 00:36:51

And he's got a car with its number plate of kick ass. It's like off.

Paul: 00:36:56

But I'm still defending bad boys, everyone. I'm.

Marc: 00:36:59

You love bad boys.

Paul: 00:36:59

I love bad boys.

Marc: 00:37:01

Ryan Hogarth loves this film. Darren does not.

Darren: 00:37:03

No, that's cool, Ryan. I'm really curious to see what the other four in your top five were.

Marc: 00:37:07

Yeah, we have his email. We'll read it out soon. Okay, we done? Yeah, that's what we thought. Okay, let's head into part three, which is the listener lounge.

Okay, so in part three, we have question corner. Check this out. You is now the new name for Worth a Watch.

Paul: 00:37:28

Okay.

Marc: 00:37:28

Because in Worth a Watch, it keep making it seem like we were still discussing if this movie is worth a watch. It's not. Yeah.

Paul: 00:37:34

So check this out.

Marc: 00:37:35

Check this out. And next week's movie.

So in question corner, we answer your questions, we read out your stories and your comments, and we round off with the question of the week. In Check this out, we give you something to watch which has caught our eye recently, be it in a TV series, documentary, or a movie.

And if it's a listener choice episode and it's today and as is today and the recommendation comes from you. And finally we have next week's movie which all about the big reveal of the movie. We'll be breaking down for you next week.

So let's sit down in question corner is time for you to have your say. Also keep an eye out on our socials because we do regularly put questions in there and we want your feedback and we will read out the best ones.

So email us. Hello Movies in a nutshell dot com. Our links to our socials are in the show notes.

Paul: 00:38:21

So we had a good discussion last episode, didn't we? Around soundtracks and stuff.

Marc: 00:38:25

Yes.

Paul: 00:38:26

You know, who knows what the next question will be.

Marc: 00:38:28

It'll be out there soon. Get connected. Make sure you follow us. And we will. We're always asking questions. We want your opinions and we do read them out on the show.

So Ryan sent us in an email as well as his synopsis and his check us out. Cool. He put loving the new podcast guys listen every week. Listen to the pilot episodes too. So he's an OG listener right from the beginning. Nice.

As a fan of the podcast, I think we should be called the Nutters or just Nutters. Everyone seems to have a name for their fans these days. Nutters.

Paul: 00:38:56

I like that.

Marc: 00:38:57

Isn't Nutters just for crazy people? You Nutter. That's good though. Nutters. Well you do. People do have like your girlfriends.

Paul: 00:39:05

Swifties.

Marc: 00:39:05

Yeah, Swifties.

Paul: 00:39:06

I was thinking of Swifties.

Marc: 00:39:08

Not everybody does but some people do. That's.

Darren: 00:39:10

Yeah. Tori Amos did. I can't remember what they were called.

Marc: 00:39:12

I was the Tories.

Darren: 00:39:16

I can't remember.

Marc: 00:39:18

Just something to think about. It's something to think about. You have a follower. Nutters is the best thing we've got so far. He's put anyway down to business.

As a friend of Mark's I remember we were away on it on a lads trip and he asked me for my top five musics. I do always ask for people.

Paul: 00:39:33

Okay.

Marc: 00:39:34

Which is very difficult as there's always movies you forget or depending on mood can always change. But as of time of writing this email my here goes. In no particular order, Top Gun, Face off the Rock, Conair and Convoy.

Darren: 00:39:47

Convoy.

Marc: 00:39:48

That's a good.

Darren: 00:39:50

Yeah, that's right. So we crashed the gate doing 98. It said that them truckers roll 10 4. We got a sales convoy.

Marc: 00:39:58

He was actually gonna choose that as his.

Darren: 00:40:00

That would be quality.

Marc: 00:40:01

It's not available for free. So as always. Yeah there's no have you seen Convoy? I have not seen Convoy. I want to see it.

Paul: 00:40:09

I, I probably.

Darren: 00:40:10

It's probably.

Marc: 00:40:11

I've seen the Rock. I've seen Face Off. I've seen Top Gun. That's a good top five.

Paul: 00:40:14

I was gonna say we mentioned a lot of them films.

Darren: 00:40:15

Yeah.

Paul: 00:40:16

You've got Top Gun. That's Brookheimer as well. And Simpson. Face Off. That's John Woo, isn't it? The rocker, Brookheimer. Yeah. He's got a style.

Marc: 00:40:23

Yeah.

Paul: 00:40:23

Yeah. I'm down with that, though.

Marc: 00:40:25

You are? I am down with that. There we go. So, yeah, he likes the podcast. He's listening since the beginning. He would like to come to the cinema next time.

If we ever got the cinema. Oh, we've had a few of those people saying we should. We never really. We never really predicted that, did we?

Darren: 00:40:37

No, we didn't. But if there are any single ladies out there who would like to accompany me and Paul to the cinema, then you're more than welcome.

Paul: 00:40:43

I'm nervous already. Carry on.

Darren: 00:40:46

He's already sweating.

Paul: 00:40:47

I am, I am.

Marc: 00:40:49

Yes. We need to find Paul a date. Keep all the good work. He loves the podcast.

Darren: 00:40:53

Nice. That's really appreciated.

Paul: 00:40:54

Thank you. That's great.

Darren: 00:40:55

Appreciate a hated G movie.

Paul: 00:40:59

Okay. I'm still sweating about Bad Boys last week.

Marc: 00:41:01

You know, as someone who's been listening from the beginning, I'm sure he knew he was getting in for. He was. He was okay with that. So that takes us into. Check this out. Which is also Ryan's.

Darren: 00:41:12

Cool. What's he going to go for?

Marc: 00:41:13

What I'm watching at the moment is Lincoln Lawyer, which is available.

Darren: 00:41:16

I love it.

Marc: 00:41:17

Netflix. He doesn't give us any information about it. He just says we should go and watch it.

Darren: 00:41:21

I. The thing I like most about it is the guy is divorced and has a really healthy relationship with his ex wives. And you never really see that.

And I really appreciated it. But it is good.

Paul: 00:41:31

Who's in it?

Darren: 00:41:32

Oh, actually a guy. It's not a particularly famous actor.

Paul: 00:41:35

Okay. I've heard of it. The show.

Darren: 00:41:37

I just haven't seen it, but yeah, it's interesting. It's good.

Marc: 00:41:40

Cool. So if anyone goes to check out Lincoln Lawyer.

Darren: 00:41:43

Yeah.

Marc: 00:41:43

Let us know what you thought.

Darren: 00:41:44

It means. A TV series, right?

Marc: 00:41:45

Yes.

Darren: 00:41:46

Yeah.

Marc: 00:41:46

Yeah.

Darren: 00:41:46

It's also a movie.

Marc: 00:41:47

Yeah. On Netflix. Yeah. Cool. I think it's on my list as well. I've one of those things. I know, I've heard of it. I know people like it.

It's on my list to check out at some point.

Darren: 00:41:54

Yeah. It's valid.

Marc: 00:41:55

There we go. Lincoln Lawyer is Ryan Hogarth. Check this out.

Darren: 00:41:58

Yes.

Marc: 00:42:00

The main event of this episode is next week's movie.

Darren: 00:42:04

Yeah. Whose choice is it? Yours.

Marc: 00:42:06

Me.

Darren: 00:42:07

Go, Mark. It's your birthday.

Marc: 00:42:08

I generally. You. You two all seem to change your mind. I never change my mind. I pick one and I go. I'm sticking with it.

Darren: 00:42:14

I change the mind all the time.

Paul: 00:42:15

I have a few in my head at all times. Like, what about this? What about that? Darren's gonna hate that. Oh, maybe not.

Marc: 00:42:20

Yeah, I think I make myself do that because otherwise I would do that as well.

Paul: 00:42:22

Yeah, that's good. Go.

Marc: 00:42:25

oing back in time to the year: 2000

Paul: 00:42:31

Okay.

Marc: 00:42:32

Myself included. It's the beach.

Darren: 00:42:34

Oh, nice. Yeah, I saw that at the time. I did. I went traveling as well. I went to Thailand and. Yeah, I read the book on the way.

Marc: 00:42:42

eah, it was like, came out in: 2000

ng with three best friends in: 2003

Paul: 00:42:54

So an important film for you then.

Marc: 00:42:56

Yes.

Darren: 00:42:56

I've got some cool Thailand stories I can share.

Marc: 00:42:58

I've got some that I cannot share.

Paul: 00:43:00

I have no Thailand stories at all. But I'm interested to hear your Thailand stories.

Marc: 00:43:05

Yeah, I'll take us down memory lane. But yeah, it was same for a lot of people. It created a path that people wanted, a thing that people wanted to go. It made people do that.

Wasn't really done that much. It wasn't a well known thing to. You know, you go traveling, take a year out, go travel around the world.

Paul: 00:43:19

I don't want you to feel old, but you realize that's 25 years ago.

Marc: 00:43:22

Yes.

Darren: 00:43:23

Oh, it's got Baby Leo in.

Paul: 00:43:25

Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:26

He's now like 50 or something.

Paul: 00:43:28

Yeah, pretty much.

Marc: 00:43:29

I don't know when his first big movies were, but this was one of the early ones.

Paul: 00:43:32

Oh, I'll get into that next week.

Darren: 00:43:33

And yet he's dating women he's probably co starring with in the Beach.

Paul: 00:43:39

That's true.

Marc: 00:43:40

Next week's movie is the beach. So we need your help as always. We need to grow the show. If you like this show and you want us to stick around, you don't want us to go away.

Darren: 00:43:49

Yes.

Marc: 00:43:50

Then we need you to spread the word of this show.

Darren: 00:43:52

It's hard work doing one a week, and we would appreciate some love.

Marc: 00:43:56

Yeah. So the two ways you can do it, the main one is to give us a rating and review in whichever app you're listening.

So if it's Apple, podcasts, Spotify, whatever it is for how you listen, there is a way to share it with people and give a rating and review. Hit the share button.

If you can think of just one person who would like this podcast or who would like this particular episode, hit the share button, send them a link, or just word of mouth. You know, if someone likes movies, maybe they would like this show. This episode is officially over.

This is Mark saying goodbye and Darren saying goodbye.

Paul: 00:44:25

I said, put the bunny back in the box.