Darren: 00:00:00

My 30s were amazing.

I was married and happy.

Just leave that much silence in the podcast.

The reward is I made the positive choices.

Paul: 00:00:14

Don't you speak to the universe like that.

Take that back.

Marc: 00:00:29

Hello and welcome to Movies in a Nutshell with me, Marc Farquhar, myself, Darren.

Paul: 00:00:33

Horn, and I, Paul Day.

Marc: 00:00:34

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Darren: 00:00:36

We help you make better movie choices on films you haven't seen with quick spoiler free breakdowns to help you decide if they're your kind of movie.

Paul: 00:00:43

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Marc: 00:00:48

Plus there's movie facts, trivia and behind the scenes stories.

Paul: 00:00:51

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Marc: 00:00:53

So grab some popcorn and let's crack open this week's movie.

Okay.

Welcome back.

Thanks for joining us.

Field of Dreams,: 1989

Paul: 00:01:06

Ah, yes.

This was the wheel of.

Listen.

A wheel.

Marc: 00:01:10

So this could be one of his favorite movies.

We might break his heart by going through this, but we don't know he's about to find out.

Paul: 00:01:16

No, no pressure, Mark.

No, no, don't break his heart by mocking this movie.

Marc: 00:01:21

I'll get him next week or at some point I'll get him sending a message or a voicemail of why, why he chose it and why he likes it.

Okay, so as always, we begin with the nutshell.

Darren, what have you got?

Darren: 00:01:33

A Field of Dreams.

It is not a baseball movie is one thing.

I've got to say.

Marc: 00:01:39

It kind of makes it look like it is.

Darren: 00:01:40

Yeah, it is.

Paul: 00:01:41

I always thought for most of my life it was a baseball movie.

Yeah, it's got baseball things in it.

Yeah, but it's more supernatural than baseball.

Marc: 00:01:49

Is a theme in it.

Darren: 00:01:51

This is one of those weird films when there's all this stuff in it.

Like when we talked about about time having time traveling.

So yeah, this you could argue it's got ghosts in and kind of time travel because they're from a different time.

So you could argue like, is that a horror movie?

But this is a tale about a guy who regrets how his relationship with his father ended and he just wishes he could do something about it.

And you meet some other people who also have deep regrets about what happened in their younger lives and they wish to atone for it.

It's a story about atonement and regret and connecting to loved ones.

Paul: 00:02:30

It's almost a quest movie, isn't it?

Like he's on a quest but he.

Darren: 00:02:33

Doesn't quite know why quest is a good word because it requires belief in it.

So it is kind of almost like.

Marc: 00:02:40

A Greek going on a journey and an adventure.

Darren: 00:02:42

Totally.

And when it's almost got like.

If you're going to do a Meets, it's kind of like Noah meets Leak of their own.

Paul: 00:02:51

Yeah, yeah.

Adley.

Good potential.

Marc: 00:02:54

That's a good one.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:02:56

So.

So epically on a quest, but with baseball, similar films.

Marc: 00:03:01

You say it's a wonderful life.

Darren: 00:03:02

Yeah, wonderful life.

Because it is that kind of Christmas.

Feel good.

Feel good through.

Feeling sad.

Marc: 00:03:08

Remember the Titans, maybe sports element, maybe.

Or the troops.

Darren: 00:03:12

I don't.

I don't think of it as a sports movie.

Marc: 00:03:14

No, it's not.

I suppose it's not the Truman show kind of.

Paul: 00:03:17

Little bit, maybe.

Marc: 00:03:18

And another movie, I noticed that it was mentioned.

Similar is the Natural, but I haven't seen that.

I don't know what that is.

Paul: 00:03:23

I've got one that's a bit of a deep cut.

Don't know if you've heard of this one.

It's Robert Downey Jr. Film from probably the late 90s, and I only saw it recently called Heart and Soul.

He's basically like hanging out with these ghosts and things.

It's like an.

It's an early Robert Downey in the sense it was like after Chaplin, before he went off the rails into Ali Mobile and then off the rails again before he came back as I man.

Marc: 00:03:45

Heart and souls,: 1993

Paul: 00:03:48

Yeah, 93.

So it's earlier than I thought.

Darren: 00:03:50

Then down, he did a lot of trash.

And so sometimes I avoid them because they look like they're on a par with a lot of the.

The types of films that Corey's made outside of Lost Boys.

Have you seen any of those?

Any movie they're in together outside of Lost Boys is probably the greatest piece of trash you've ever seen.

Marc: 00:04:10

Okay.

Darren: 00:04:10

And there's reasons for that, which.

Heartbreaking.

So.

Paul: 00:04:13

Well, Heart and Souls I kind of liked.

Marc: 00:04:15

And this is.

This is directed by Alden Robinson.

Known for anything.

If you.

If it doesn't ring a bell for you to.

I'll Google it.

Darren: 00:04:21

Oh, no.

I mean, he's not like an auteur.

He's.

He's a.

Like a director for hire.

But I remember looking at it and finding some stuff that I thought was noteworthy, but I don't seem to have written it down.

Marc: 00:04:30

Sneakers,: 1982

Darren: 00:04:32

That was it.

Marc: 00:04:32

The Sum of All Fears.

Paul: 00:04:34

Yeah, that's a Jack Ryan movie, I think.

Darren: 00:04:36

A solid director.

This is a nice follow on to Practical Magic.

Practical magic was the 98.

What year was this?

You were saying it was early, weren't you late?

Marc: 00:04:45

89.

Paul: 00:04:45

89.

Darren: 00:04:46

Practical magic was 1 hour 46.

This is 1 hour 45.

Which for the type of film we're describing.

Or maybe it's just Chris Costner.

Oh, he loves a long movie, that one.

Oh, he loves the Dances With Wolves.

He loves the Postman.

He loves Water World.

Paul: 00:05:02

Was what that look, I feel like it probably was.

Okay, probably was.

Darren: 00:05:06

Practical Magic is a really strong female led ensemble and this is a male led ensemble.

So it was a good balance.

Well chosen.

Mystery man on the Internet, Carlson.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:05:16

I mean the other one.

This is a film that I hold close to my heart, though, so I'm bound to find comparisons is Tin cup, which is the golf film.

Marc: 00:05:23

I've seen that.

Not seen that.

Paul: 00:05:24

And doesn't he do another baseball movie?

And I forgot what the name.

Darren: 00:05:28

Yeah, it does.

Paul: 00:05:29

I don't know what it is, but obviously.

Yeah, so maybe that one as well.

Darren: 00:05:32

It's.

Baseball's a weird.

Got a weird place in American culture and myth.

I suppose it doesn't really appeal to me.

Marc: 00:05:40

So it's starring Kevin Costner, Amy Madigan, James Earl Jones.

Who is that?

Vader?

Darren: 00:05:44

Yep.

Paul: 00:05:45

Yeah, that's the mom.

Marc: 00:05:46

Ray Liotta and Burt Lancaster.

Paul: 00:05:47

Yeah.

Darren: 00:05:48

Let's just talk about Bert Lancaster.

Let's talk about Bert freaking Lancaster.

What a delight.

Paul: 00:05:54

This was his last film as well.

Darren: 00:05:55

No.

What a delight.

That hit me with a gut punch of nostalgia that just dropped me because.

Marc: 00:06:03

I don't know him that well.

Which one is he in this?

Darren: 00:06:05

He was the doc or the older Vers.

Moonlight.

I see this guy has been in incredible movies, but the young me, when he fell in love with films.

This is off the top of my head.

He was in things like the Crimson Pirate where he was usually a topless kind of acrobat who had another actor with him who was always mute and no idea if he was mute in real life.

And he would do this kind of like circus like sign language to get across his meaning.

And then there'd be a cool, like, sound effect and he'd do a triple.

Some sort off of a ship or something.

Yeah, yeah.

These movies.

Delightful.

Burt Lancaster.

Paul: 00:06:42

Oh, good Lord, there we go.

Looking at Costner for a second here.

The run of movies he had at that time, at this time.

Well, let's even just take it back to early 90s.

Well, let's go.

1987.

Untouchables.

Darren: 00:06:57

Oh, my God.

Paul: 00:06:58

1987.

No way out don't know that one so much.

Bull Durham.

Darren: 00:07:02

It's a thriller with Madeline stowe, I think.

Paul: 00:07:04

, Feel the Dreams,: 1989

91, The Bodyguard, 92.

Wyatt Earp was 94.

I'm skipping a few in between here as well.

Tin Cup.

He wasn't in the hump for it, was he?

Marc: 00:07:29

That's Sean Connery.

Paul: 00:07:30

Are you thinking of Alec Baldwin?

Darren: 00:07:32

Oh, no.

Marc: 00:07:33

You're not getting too much mixed up, are you?

Darren: 00:07:35

I've definitely seen Costner in a naval outfit.

Yeah, maybe I've cut that bit.

Paul: 00:07:41

So I'm skipping a few here.

But, like, then he did tink up in 97.

He did the Postman in 90.

Sorry, tink up in 96, the Bosman in 97.

So that particular time period, he was on fire.

Marc: 00:07:51

He was prolific, shall we say dominating.

Paul: 00:07:54

That's a lot of films in that serious bank.

Some serious big films as well, until Water World and then everyone fell out with him for a bit and he went off and did the Postman and then everyone.

Darren: 00:08:04

Silverado.

Marc: 00:08:05

What's that one?

Darren: 00:08:06

Silverado?

No.

Marc: 00:08:07

I don't know.

Darren: 00:08:07

Probably, isn't it?

Marc: 00:08:08

Yeah, I'm sure it probably is a movie.

Darren: 00:08:11

Yeah.

Yeah.

Silverado is like a western comedy.

That's not great, but.

Paul: 00:08:17

But there you go.

So this is Costner, the height of.

Yes, sort of.

Marc: 00:08:21

So it's a fantasy drama.

It's got a bit of sports element to.

It's a family drama.

Supernatural.

Definitely got nostalgic feel to it.

It's warm, hopeful, funny in places.

Emotional, sentimental.

Darren: 00:08:32

Yeah.

Paul: 00:08:32

And you've got that supporting cast of like, said Burt Lancaster and James Earl Jones, who's normally always a joy to watch as well.

Marc: 00:08:39

There we go.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Okay, let's move into part two, the unboxing.

Let's get this movie unboxed.

Spoilers are gonna be ahead.

So if you do, if you haven't seen it and you do want to go and see it, there will be spoilers coming up.

So you've got a decision to make.

Accept the spoilers or go and watch the movie before you return.

Okay, so what did you miss?

Anyone who wants to start on this,.

Darren: 00:09:03

It's because I failed.

Last episode, listeners did not fail.

I put shame to my.

You can go again.

Paul: 00:09:09

Darren, if you pulled out of the bag, what did you miss?

Darren: 00:09:11

Only that Burt Lancaster's character as Doc doesn't have regret, really.

And it was actually a really nice scene where they're like, oh, my God, you nearly played them, or whatever.

And he says, like, no, it would have been a travesty if I only got to be a doctor for five days.

Marc: 00:09:30

Yeah.

He sees that as the reward for what he actually ended up doing.

Darren: 00:09:32

Totally.

And the only thing he wanted, the only thing he was curious about is was I any good?

Like, he never.

Like, he didn't care.

Like, he was fulfilled in his life.

He didn't have, like, he didn't know need to go back and search for meaning.

Or he didn't be like, oh, it wasn't a sliding doors moment for him of a reality that he missed out on.

He was just curious if he would have been good enough to go the distance.

And then.

So he's got the interest of a being the young man and he's.

Young man.

He pitches, he winks at the guy and it's a really sweet thing.

I think it's Ray Liotta.

Just as he's walking away, he's like,.

Marc: 00:10:07

Hey, you were good.

Darren: 00:10:08

You were good.

Yes, that's it.

And he gives it all up to help the kid.

He's.

Honestly, it's great.

That's Burt Lancaster.

The sense of gravitas and self assuredness and peace that that character has, I think, is incredibly aspirational to me.

If I can be as steady and in a place where I felt that that character was, I would have a life well lived, I think.

Paul: 00:10:33

Something aspirational to look at, isn't it?

Darren: 00:10:35

Yeah, actually.

It actually makes me kind of tearful that it was very.

It's a Wonderful Life.

When the people being interviewed were saying, no, no, they're reading newspaper clippings and being like, you know, kids who couldn't afford shoes or couldn't afford this or couldn't afford glasses, they always knew they could go to the doc and he would look out for them, like, yeah, the real heart of the community.

Marc: 00:10:55

So it's no wonder he has no regrets.

Darren: 00:10:57

Yeah.

Marc: 00:10:57

Because he's led a fulfilling life.

Darren: 00:10:59

Absolutely.

Marc: 00:11:00

It doesn't feel like he's made a mistake.

He just.

He just does wonder about what it could have been.

Darren: 00:11:03

Yeah.

Marc: 00:11:04

But some people regret what could have been.

But he just wonders.

Darren: 00:11:07

But they also want that sense of stardom.

They want.

They want the likes, like these girls in full.

Marc: 00:11:11

They say, oh, tits for clicks.

Darren: 00:11:13

Yeah.

And it's like, no, you're.

There's so many different ways you can live your life.

And you not being A sports star.

Marc: 00:11:23

What was that line before?

It shows a lack of courage to not be yourself.

Darren: 00:11:26

Yeah, that was.

Marc: 00:11:27

That's kind of what that is.

Anyone who's like, you're trying to achieve something else because based on other people watching you, rather than just doing.

Being yourself and doing what you want to do naturally, being natural.

Darren: 00:11:37

The other thing you may have missed, and I have no idea if I write on this, there was just a line that I saw.

I was like, hold up.

Why are you saying that?

James Earl Jones's character.

Who's Terrence Mann, the author.

He's dead.

Marc: 00:11:50

What do you mean he's dead?

In real life, he is.

Darren: 00:11:53

No, in this movie, he's dead.

He's dead.

He died.

He is dead.

Marc: 00:11:57

It will.

So are all the baseball players who come to the field.

They're all dead.

Darren: 00:12:01

Sure, but they're obviously coming from heaven.

Kevin Costner doesn't go knock on their apartment to get him, but Kevin Costner goes to see him.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:12:08

Telling me he's dead.

Darren: 00:12:09

Yes.

Paul: 00:12:11

Are you right on this?

Darren: 00:12:13

No clue.

Marc: 00:12:14

Why?

Why did he say that?

Darren: 00:12:16

Two reasons.

Paul: 00:12:16

This is, like, sense whole thing going on here.

Darren: 00:12:18

So he goes against him.

I don't think anyone talks to James Earl Jones's character.

I don't think maybe they do, but.

Paul: 00:12:24

If they do, like his wife and kids does.

Marc: 00:12:26

All right, you mean when he first gets to his house and he doesn't want to open the door to him that bit?

Darren: 00:12:30

Yeah.

Marc: 00:12:30

Yeah.

Darren: 00:12:31

He's dead in his apartment.

And so if he opens it, he's opening it as a ghost.

Okay, stick with me.

Marc: 00:12:38

All right.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:12:39

And then later on, he looks in the newspaper and.

And it's like he's.

He basically says they're worried about him.

He's a missing person.

And he hasn't been answering phone calls.

Marc: 00:12:50

Yes.

Because he's left his house to go.

Paul: 00:12:51

With Ray for, like, a day.

Marc: 00:12:54

I think it might be in a few days.

Darren: 00:12:56

Okay, so keep going with this logic.

Marc: 00:12:57

Okay.

Darren: 00:12:58

Then he gets to the baseball field and he's.

Oh, do you want to come with us?

You're a dead ghost.

Marc: 00:13:02

You should be.

Darren: 00:13:03

You should be coming with us.

Marc: 00:13:04

And he's like, I did wonder why they'd said that to him.

Darren: 00:13:06

He's like, yeah, I'll come.

And he's like, kevin Costa said, wait, what about me?

What about me?

He's like, you're not invited.

Say, you what?

I.

My whole family is in danger.

I just built this for you.

Marc: 00:13:16

I'm on.

Darren: 00:13:17

I'm on Kevin Costner's.

I know I need to go back into therapy.

I've got work to do still.

But yeah, I'd be on size.

But that's because I was like.

I remember that line being like, why?

What's that got to do with the story?

Like, why have you put that in the script that his dad is calling, like, has called the police saying his son is missing over a short period of time, like a day, even two days.

I don't think that James Earl Jones's character, Terrence man, is the type of person who'd be talking to his daddy every day.

This will probably be like a weekly phone call or monthly phone call or something.

Paul: 00:13:51

You know, I'm processing this.

Darren: 00:13:53

Like, are you desperately googling now?

Is he dead?

Marc: 00:13:56

I'm going to try and figure out.

Paul: 00:13:58

Can you hear the typing listeners?

It's like, is this a thing?

Darren: 00:14:03

Because you can't go.

Paul: 00:14:03

Kind of makes sense.

Darren: 00:14:04

You can't go to heaven unless you're dead.

Paul: 00:14:06

And that's how he.

Darren: 00:14:07

Didn't you think it was sus that he got invited?

Paul: 00:14:10

It's a bit sus when he was.

Darren: 00:14:11

In limbo, he was trapped and he had to.

He had to exercise his own demons.

Paul: 00:14:16

Yeah.

Darren: 00:14:17

I don't know.

Like, you know, sometimes there's a film lecture.

You read too much into stuff.

Paul: 00:14:22

I kind of like this as a side narrative.

It's like the whole castaway thing, that.

Darren: 00:14:25

Was like, she's a cheat and lady.

Paul: 00:14:31

Can never watch that film the same again.

Go on.

What's the Internet telling us?

Is it the Internet versus Darren?

Darren: 00:14:38

Is that better not be chat GPT versus me?

Marc: 00:14:42

It is.

Darren: 00:14:43

I win.

Marc: 00:14:44

Well, if I googled it, I don't think that was sure.

But I'll do both.

I can do both.

But James Earl Jones character Terrence man is definitely not dead throughout the field of dreams.

But I can see exactly.

I can see exactly how Darren's theory could work as fan theory because the film deliberately plays with the boundary between the living and the dead.

Darren's theory.

If Darren's theory is that Terrence is actually dead for the entire movie, there are some interesting things that could point to.

Ray travels to Boston specifically to find Man.

After hearing the voice tell him to ease his pain, man seems almost too perfectly connected to the supernatural events surrounding Rey.

The trip to Fennec park leads them to Archie Graham, and Man subsequently becomes part of Rey's journey into his strange supernatural world.

When they return to Iowa, Mann walks into the cornfield and Rey emerges with Shoeless Joe.

Shoeless Joe Jackson, meaning he's now openly participating, participating in the supernatural side of the story.

And crucially, at the end, man disappears into the cornfield with other players.

That gives Darren's theory some intriguing Sixth Sense style potential.

But there's big one big problem with it.

The movie explicitly treats man as a living person.

We see Ray travel to Boston to meet him at his home, interact with him, physically drive around with him, stay in a hotel with him, eat and drink with him, argue with him.

And most importantly, man interacts with ordinary people who aren't part of Ray's supernatural experience.

There's also the fact that man himself is initially skeptical of Rey's claims.

His journey is essentially one of becoming convinced that Ray isn't crazy.

And then there's perhaps the biggest piece of the evidence against the theory.

Man is one of the people who can see the baseball players.

Darren: 00:16:16

It's AI Slop.

It's.

Marc: 00:16:19

You can't just use that against everything.

Darren: 00:16:22

He's a ghost caught in limbo.

He doesn't.

But he.

Man or no, he's dead.

Marc: 00:16:25

I'm not saying you're wrong.

Paul: 00:16:28

Might do that thing where it's like, you're right.

I am right.

I've done that thing before now.

Or I've chatted with it and it's been a movie thing and I've called them on it.

I'm like, I think you'll find it's Kevin Costner in this film.

Oh, you're right.

I did get that wrong.

Darren: 00:16:40

It's like, it's one of these movies now that you're going to want to watch it again to be like, yeah, he be dead.

Paul: 00:16:44

That's what I was thinking.

Darren: 00:16:46

I didn't really think it until he walked off and he was invited off.

Paul: 00:16:49

Yeah, it's a good point.

Darren: 00:16:51

Because it's like, it's not a good enough excuse to be like, you're.

Maybe I was just deeply offended on Kevin Costner's the Path, like, raised behalf.

Also.

36.

Is 36 years old in this pool.

Paul: 00:17:04

Yeah.

Darren: 00:17:04

No, he's got a house and a family and a wife, and he's like, I'm getting so old.

Oh, I feel like my wife.

My life is flittering away from me and I'm not gonna do anything.

I'm gonna become my father.

Paul: 00:17:21

I am watching a lot of films and TV shows where they're 35, 36, going like, oh, no, my life has ended.

And I'm like, this.

Making me feel better about my midlife crisis right now.

Darren: 00:17:31

You're a baby if you're 36.

Yes, you're a baby.

Paul: 00:17:37

Although I feel like when I was 36, I was like, I'm getting so old.

Darren: 00:17:40

Oh, yeah.

Paul: 00:17:41

Even older.

Darren: 00:17:43

Y.

But I was.

My 30s were amazing.

I was married and happy.

Just leave that much silence in the podcast.

Marc: 00:17:56

That's gonna be the intro we're talking about.

Darren: 00:17:57

There it is.

Yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:17:59

I heard.

Darren: 00:18:00

So anyway, that's not a miss.

I think that's my.

Marc: 00:18:03

I had a quick look on Reddit and most people are saying he was alive until that point when he.

Darren: 00:18:07

Oh my God.

People, I don't know, unqualified people on Reddit disagree with it.

Marc: 00:18:13

Okay.

There's no way Darren's gonna be like, change.

He's gonna change his mind.

Whatever anyone says, the director can come and say, no, he's alive.

Paul: 00:18:18

The film down's gonna say, Darren versus the Internet.

Darren: 00:18:22

I wonder if it was in the book.

Paul: 00:18:24

Oh, that's a good point.

But I'm guessing if it was in the book film.

Darren: 00:18:30

Oh my God.

More.

Lover79 disagrees with me on Reddit.

Marc: 00:18:37

Okay, so someone's pointed out, just watch this scene again or just watch this movie again.

When they get up from the seats at the Fenway.

His seats is up, but raises down someone's point.

I'm not gonna have to watch this to check this out.

You get a whole rabbit hole on Reddit.

Paul: 00:18:52

I. I'm not siding on anyone interesting on this one because Darren's been right.

Marc: 00:18:56

On many things wrong.

Interesting.

So if anyone, if you listen to this now, if you've got an opinion, if you want to check it out, let us know what you, what your thoughts are.

We will read them out on the show.

Anything else?

Paul: 00:19:07

I've got one that I noticed this time watching it, which is very much the theme of kind of the corporate what we have to do in life versus us chasing our dreams thing.

So I put it down as like finance versus feel in the sense that it was like to chase the dream and spend the money.

You have to kind of stop on all the day to day, oh, but we've got to run this field and we've got to run the farm and we've got to, you know, is it, is it the kind of dreams versus reality thing where reality is no, no, you have to pay your bills, go to work, do this thing, go down this path.

That's what you have to do.

Whereas the dream side of it is no, I'm hearing this voice, I've got this vision.

I'm going to, you know, so is there some message in there?

Out chasing your dream and chasing you.

Darren: 00:19:54

100% Yeah.

Paul: 00:19:55

Chasing your mission rather than.

No no.

I've just got to sludge this out and kind of do what the man tells you.

Marc: 00:20:01

Classic.

A lot of people go through that.

Like your passion versus like real life.

Like you.

Your job basically.

Darren: 00:20:06

I saw a cool meme.

It was about kind of gaming but it's talking about life.

And it was basically saying if you don't pick Your main quest 1 will automatically be and signed for you.

And that will be marriage.

Kids.

Marc: 00:20:18

Yeah.

Darren: 00:20:18

Nine to five.

It's like you need to actively choose your own quest if you want to succeed.

Which is why you're setting targets and it's really tough.

I'm saying like where do I want to be in five years?

I don't know.

I don't know where I want to be.

So how can I possibly get there?

Yeah.

Wing it.

But yeah.

They were watching a movie called Harvey on tv the kids were.

And Ray comes along and turns it off.

Harvey.

Here's a weird ass James Stewart movie where he imagines he sees a six foot rabbit called Harvey and his sister is really worried about him and takes him to like a mental.

Mental institute.

I don't know.

That's what it's called like in the film I think.

Marc: 00:20:57

But okay.

Darren: 00:20:57

Don't know what you would call it.

A psychiatric ward I guess.

And they imprison her because she's crazy thinking that this man is hallucinating a rabbit.

Such were the times in their 40s or whatever that was made.

That's.

It's a story about seeing things that aren't there.

Marc: 00:21:15

Right.

Paul: 00:21:15

And that's very much been put there on purpose.

Darren: 00:21:18

100 So it's kind of almost suggesting that he doesn't like make believe or he's not willing to believe that people can see things that he can't.

Paul: 00:21:30

I'm sure he says something at some point, doesn't he?

Where he.

He says up until now I've just done everything normally.

Nothing's.

Darren: 00:21:36

Yeah.

Paul: 00:21:37

I can't remember what the line was now.

But he's very much like yeah, yeah I've done everything.

And then just now I've got this vision and this voice in my head and everything.

But he's saying up until you know, in that Kevin Costner way that he does is very laid back.

You know up until now I've been kind of a normal guy doing normal stuff.

And.

Darren: 00:21:53

And what does that get you?

Is that going to get you the level of fulfillment that Lancaster's character has?

Marc: 00:21:58

Yeah.

Darren: 00:21:58

But it is.

It is also about faith.

And I find it interesting, kind of leading on from practical magic, which is about belief in magic, that in order to be successful he has to believe this quest.

And he's just gotta.

He's like, oh, no, I'm gonna destroy my cop and build this.

Because I heard a voice and I. I haven't fully tested this theory, but what I found is when I take a leap of faith, things will fall into place for me.

And I'm aware that I could try that with other things.

But sometimes it gets scary.

Like, you know, you could quit your job and maybe the universe improvised you with what you should be doing, but that's a scary ass proposition.

Yeah, but in this top level Risk.

Yeah, totally.

But in this movie he does it and we think it pays off.

You know, it certainly very much hints that it will pay off financially.

Paul: 00:22:48

The other bit I got about the kind of against corporate America or whatever was when there was the whole book.

Not the book rally, but the trap burning.

Darren: 00:22:56

This is filth.

He's a pervert.

Paul: 00:22:59

You know why he stopped writing books?

Because he masturbates.

Yeah.

That whole bit was very.

But that was very much about artistic creativity versus doing what you're told.

And the mob saying, you can't do this.

Darren: 00:23:11

And it's the same mob.

That's impractical magic.

They just, yeah.

Don't understand it.

And you know, that was a nice little parallel because it shows that the wife is fighting her fights like she'll fight for what she wants and what is right and wrong.

Paul: 00:23:24

And she comes out of that room, doesn't she all like fired up.

Like it's like the sixties again.

She's old.

Darren: 00:23:29

Yeah, Tiny.

Paul: 00:23:30

That was good buzzing.

Marc: 00:23:31

It changes at some point from initially being about his vision and his adventure, really.

He's like.

Then he becomes helping other people on their journey along the way, like that takes over him.

He's got now involved all the other people involved to get them to the end.

Darren: 00:23:44

Yeah.

And it alludes to the fact that anyone who comes and visits and pays their $20 will solve their pain.

It feels like it's.

But then this is interesting to me.

Well, there's also another bit where I think the wife is kind of playing with him and she's like, oh.

And as a small boy, he had a bat called Rosebud.

But Rosebud is a callback to Citizen Kane.

And it's about this press baron who has this massive empire.

But we.

I mean, everyone debates the meaning of it.

His final words are Rosebud.

And Rosebud was the name of his sledge when he was like seven, eight, six or seven.

And so it was alluding to this idea that he was happy when he had nothing but a snowy day in a sled.

And that I don't know if the Paolo is there on purpose, that as we were saying, like Burt Lancaster was just happy being a doctor, you know, he didn't need the acclaim.

So you can go chasing the star.

Marc: 00:24:35

He just went, all right, I'm good.

Darren: 00:24:36

I'm going, yeah, you can go chasing the starlight.

I'll be happy when I'm on stage.

I'm happy when I'm an award winning.

Marc: 00:24:42

Filmmaker, when I make a million dollars.

Darren: 00:24:43

Or, yeah, I'll be happy with my first million.

Paul: 00:24:45

No, my favorite speech, which I've probably waffled on about before, is Jim Carrey talking about the Golden Globes.

Hi, everybody.

I'm two time Golden Globe award winner Jim Carrey.

But I don't rest at night because I just dream of being three times.

The actual speech is hilarious.

Marc: 00:25:07

Yeah.

Paul: 00:25:07

And it's very.

It's a great commentary on what we're like.

So even if you get that next bit, you then want the next bit and then the next bit.

And when satisfaction.

And he's kind of mocking playfully, isn't he?

The fact that I remember Denzel Washington's crying with laughter at the front because he's like, yeah, this is it, isn't it?

It's like, you know, I'm Oscar winning Jim Carrey, but I want to be two times Oscar winning.

Darren: 00:25:31

Yeah, there's.

You're not sure if you caught this as well.

It actually breaks my heart a little bit because obviously I've got a daughter, but at some point she's just asking for his attention and he snaps her and he's like, it's also.

She's called Karen.

Don't call a kid Karen.

Marc: 00:25:45

What is the 80s?

That's where all fully adult Karens come from.

Darren: 00:25:48

Yeah, exactly.

That's the birthing ground for them.

Paul: 00:25:52

Have.

That should have been in the nutshell of this film.

It's.

It's the prequel of Karen's.

Darren: 00:25:58

But she snaps her and he's like, will you just give me a minute?

You know, because he's stressed.

But then later on she's doing the same thing when they're sitting on the bleachers or whatever.

And.

And the mean guy who I recognize from West Wing as well, weirdly.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:26:11

And he's the press guy, isn't he?

Darren: 00:26:13

Yeah.

And.

And he was like, wait, wait, stop.

Like, hey, Cameron, what are you saying?

And he listens to her.

Marc: 00:26:19

Yeah.

Darren: 00:26:19

And she's like, people will come.

And not only does he listen to her, he believes her.

And he's like, okay, we're gonna do people here.

Paul: 00:26:27

And by the way, shout out, because I know a lot of lovely Karens who are lovely.

So hi, lovely Karen's.

Marc: 00:26:33

This is a full circle movie.

The way it starts off with a, you know, his voiceover at the beginning.

Darren: 00:26:39

Yes.

Marc: 00:26:39

About his relationship with his dad and history.

And it ends obviously with him catching ball with his dad.

Paul: 00:26:45

Yeah.

Marc: 00:26:45

That's kind of the beginning.

All that huge journey to go background to.

Basically the first words are about.

That is where it ends.

Darren: 00:26:51

And we've talked about this before as well.

Like, we won't know, like, the last time we pick up our daughters.

We won't know the last time we.

If I don't know when the last time I read my daughter bedtime story was.

Oh, no, I don't know what the last time was.

I'm hoping to squeeze one more out so I can be like, this is the last time.

But, you know, that moment's gone and tears like.

Marc: 00:27:09

Like you've said sunsets and sunrises.

Darren: 00:27:11

Yeah.

Marc: 00:27:12

Few and far between.

Darren: 00:27:13

Yeah.

He says something in the Crow, doesn't he?

Oh, that's the other thing as well.

I think that's where this parent thing come.

Like, he's.

I think he says, I never.

I could never forgive my dad for getting so old.

And then he's got the relationship with his daughter.

And there's a line in the Crow, which is another episode we've done where Brandon Lee's character says, mother is a word for God in the lips and hearts of all children.

And there's an element of that, like.

Marc: 00:27:37

Yeah.

Darren: 00:27:37

Our parents, when we're young, are usually on a pedestal.

Marc: 00:27:39

Yeah.

Darren: 00:27:40

And the idea that they can be.

Marc: 00:27:41

Infallible because they protect us, they feed us, then give us information.

Darren: 00:27:45

There's a cool episode of Bluey where I think Bingo's dreaming.

And the mom is like the sun and they're a planet and they're kind of orbiting.

There's something like that.

Paul: 00:27:53

I didn't know you were going to go there.

Darren: 00:27:55

You never know.

But then also this baseball and these ghosts.

It's something that I don't think we can fully understand because it's deep in, like new American culture is not going back into, say, like, you know, what would be South Americans.

It'd be like the Aztecs and the Incas.

Is that they've got the Native American Indians, but in terms of, like, the usa, this is the closest they've got to myth.

And.

And, you know, Neil Gaiman is problematic, but he talks about in one of his books that there's points on the planet which just people are attracted to and we don't know why.

We could.

You know, it could be ley lines or whatever it is, and it doesn't matter what ass amusement thing you put there.

People just get drawn there and it feels like they were picking up on this and.

And this just desire to just play catch with your dad.

I think that's such, like a universal thing.

Even if it's not your dad, it would be.

You know, maybe it was your grandfather or maybe it was like something you did with your mom, like cooking with your grandmother or whatever it is.

Paul: 00:28:55

And that's about, like the about time one where.

Yeah.

He plays.

What is it with his dad?

Ping pong, Like.

Darren: 00:29:00

Yeah.

Paul: 00:29:01

Tennis.

Darren: 00:29:01

Yeah.

Marc: 00:29:02

It's about things maybe you feel like you should have.

Didn't do, but you shouldn't have done or things you didn't do enough of.

Yeah, things like that.

Darren: 00:29:08

And there's.

I think it's his dad, a couple of.

I think Ray Liotta says it also.

His dad says it, and he's like, is this heaven?

And I remember I was watching it in my living room, and I just took that moment and kind of looked around where I live and at my life, and I was like, wait, is this heaven?

Because we.

I think we've talked before that we don't know when the good times are.

And a lot of the time they pass, and we're like, those were the good times.

Marc: 00:29:34

You don't know what you've got till it's gone.

Paul: 00:29:35

There's a quote in the American Office that was about that.

And it kind of always takes me off guard whenever I see it.

I think it's the Andy character, and he's just like, yeah, we didn't know we were in the good times until the golden era.

Darren: 00:29:49

That's where.

That's where I remember it from.

Paul: 00:29:50

Yeah, Ed Helms, isn't it?

Yeah, he said it.

And it's just like.

That's poignant.

Yeah.

And I remember the people I've worked with in the past and stuff.

And you think back and you go, you know what?

That probably was the good time because you were that busy with work and all the stuff that was going on.

There were times that.

Where I'd be like, you know what this is?

This is Pretty good.

Marc: 00:30:09

Or if you work somewhere for a long time, people go, people.

People arrive.

Yeah.

If you've been there for like 10 years, you go, oh, yeah, three years ago.

That was a good time.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:30:16

Like a golden.

Marc: 00:30:17

Yeah.

Everything was perfect.

Darren: 00:30:18

And even.

Even if it's not a great time, even if it's one of those periods where you're building character or whatever, it will pass.

Everything passes, everything.

Seasons.

And you'll find that once it's over, there are elements you could have enjoyed more.

Paul: 00:30:31

Which goes back to About Time, where he relives the same day but takes in different things.

There is this level to that on this film, isn't there?

Where he's.

Because he's on this quest and he's.

He's picking up.

I don't know.

Is there something in the mythology of this Darren.

Where he's like.

He's picking up the wizard and we talk about the.

The myths of Star wars.

Don't.

Darren: 00:30:49

Yeah.

Paul: 00:30:49

And things.

Is there an element of that?

Because he kind of goes on his quest and he picks up obviously, James Earl Jones and then characters.

Marc: 00:30:57

Ensemble.

Darren: 00:30:57

Yeah.

Paul: 00:30:58

And then they kind of go on a bit.

But.

Quest together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In a strange way.

But yeah.

Darren: 00:31:02

Well, it's also.

He's got a face.

He's a lot of that.

The hero has to face the.

Their greatest fear.

Paul: 00:31:09

The demons.

Darren: 00:31:10

Face the demons.

And these guys are facing.

On the whole, they're facing their regrets and the things that are eating them up at night.

Marc: 00:31:17

Yeah.

And just a harkening back to better times is a big part of this movie as well.

Darren: 00:31:22

There was also in the credits, the voice is credited as himself.

Paul: 00:31:28

So there's speculation.

Harris maybe.

Darren: 00:31:31

Don't know.

But it also.

Is it supposed to be God?

Is it a guardian angel?

Like, is it his intuition?

Like, what is that voice?

Paul: 00:31:39

But that's the point.

We're not meant to.

They're not going to tell us.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:31:43

Because you want to be able to project your own belief system onto it.

Paul: 00:31:46

I mean, it's a love letter to baseball as well.

Even though it's not about baseball.

It's using baseball as the foil for, like, you could almost make this film, but make it about.

I'm not into football, but I imagine in England there's probably enough football law to kind of do something similar in that sense.

Darren: 00:32:01

It's weird, isn't it?

This is just my perspective.

I'm not a big football fan.

I don't think the myth feels as though it's there with.

And I don't think it's there with American football?

There's something weird with baseball.

Marc: 00:32:11

So I was reading baseball.

What do you say about football?

Darren: 00:32:14

I don't think it's got, like, the myth or the meaning that baseball has.

Paul: 00:32:18

I was saying, like, could you take another sport?

Like, this is a love letter to baseball, or is there something mythical about baseball with American culture that we don't.

Marc: 00:32:26

Definitely American culture thing.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Paul: 00:32:28

So, like, could we do an English version of this?

Marc: 00:32:30

Football?

Darren: 00:32:31

Football.

Marc: 00:32:32

It feels like you probably could.

You probably could do that with any sport, really.

Darren: 00:32:35

I know.

I think there's something magical about a baseball.

Like, what would you call it?

Ground pitch?

Like, there's something going on with it.

I don't know why.

Paul: 00:32:43

It's probably because the.

We've seen all these films where there's, like, angels in the outfield.

Marc: 00:32:47

It's always been portrayed in that sort of, like, golden.

Darren: 00:32:50

It's a team sport.

But, you know, you're up at bat alone.

Paul: 00:32:54

Yeah.

Darren: 00:32:54

Like, so it's kind of like the way we face death.

It's like we can say, like, you know, nobody.

You don't want to face death alone.

We all face death alone.

Like, all.

Paul: 00:33:02

And so no matter your family or.

Darren: 00:33:04

Your team or your friends can be on the sidelines.

They can be behind you, but you're on the.

Like, on the mound.

Is that.

Well, you know, that's the picture on the mound, isn't it?

Yeah, but, yeah, you're the guy facing the ball, hurtling towards your face.

And how you react in the moment is down to you.

It's almost like you're stripped back.

Paul: 00:33:20

It always makes me think of that line in up in the Air with George Clooney where he's just like.

She's like, what about marriage?

What about love?

Darren: 00:33:26

I don't feel those things.

Paul: 00:33:28

And then he's just like, make no mistake, we all die alone.

Darren: 00:33:31

Yeah, he does.

Paul: 00:33:32

Anna Kendricks is like, I like the movie.

Darren: 00:33:35

I just recently added that to my favorites to rewatch.

Paul: 00:33:38

Oh, I enjoy that.

Marc: 00:33:39

According to this, the director has been quoted saying I am the only person who knows who the voice is.

Which means it's probably him, the director.

Paul: 00:33:46

He is the voice of God.

Marc: 00:33:48

Thank you, gentlemen.

Let's go over to first base.

Football's facts of the day.

Paul: 00:33:54

I like what you did, though.

Let's see if there's some facts.

In fact, there's a shed load effects.

So I'm just gonna pick out the best ones.

Oh, yes, of course I will.

Handbicked the best ones.

Marc: 00:34:04

Hours have you spent on this hours.

Paul: 00:34:07

Did read through quite a few.

I almost watched it with the commentary on.

I did flick onto the commentary for a little bit of it and then thought, no, because you can start talking about the story and I don't know it well enough.

But the.

The bit of the commentary I flicked on, I think it was Costner and the director and they were talking about.

I think it was Costner, but they were talking about how try to get that golden hour when they were filming and stuff.

So it was a scene where it was him and his wife and it was this beautiful golden sunset.

Marc: 00:34:30

There were some of the scenes where like, the weather's just like, obviously you need.

You don't want any wind.

No, you don't need clouds or rain.

Paul: 00:34:35

And they were just talking about how you had to have everything read ready to go in that moment.

Like, is it now?

No, not quite.

Is it now?

Marc: 00:34:41

No, quite.

And the director just going down a certain level.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:34:44

And they were like.

And you were just.

You were set and you had multiple cameras and it was like, go, go, go.

Because you ought to get that golden hour.

So I thought that was interesting.

But then I thought, yeah, I better go back onto the regular soundtrack or.

Marc: 00:34:54

I'll fill with too much information.

Paul: 00:34:56

I know, exactly.

So after the filming was complete, the family that owned the farm kept the field and added a small hut with an inexpensive souvenirs for sale.

And as of: 2018

So I'd be interested to know whether that's still the case.

Marc: 00:35:14

But: 2018

Paul: 00:35:18

That's terrifying.

Ray Liotta had no baseball experience and batted right handed, although Shoeless Joe Jackson was a lefty.

Phil Robinson allowed Liotta to bat with his right, but still put him through several weeks of extensive training with the Universal University of Southern California baseball coach and former Brooklyn Dodger Rod Dido.

I think I'm saying that right, Didoo.

In order to be convincing as one of the sport's greatest hitters.

And Liotta did attempt to play as the real Jackson did, batting lefty and throwing righty.

But the reverse of both was so much more natural for him, and eventually he developed a good swing.

And the scene where he hit a line straight drive back at Kevin Costner actually happened.

Costner's fall on the mound was real, and although it was a surprise, he stayed in character.

That's why they paid off big bucks.

Marc: 00:36:09

Yeah.

Paul: 00:36:09

Yeah.

So there you go, Rayleigh Jumped about with his back and forth.

You like this one.

So Burt Lancaster was unaware that Timothy Busfield, who's the guy from West Wing, he was unaware that he was part of the cast.

And he had him fetching water and chairs before realizing that he was going.

Darren: 00:36:27

To be in the.

Paul: 00:36:27

The scene with him.

That's hilarious.

Darren: 00:36:30

It would be an honor.

Paul: 00:36:32

Right?

Which is probably what Timothy did like.

Yes, absolutely.

No problem, Mr. Lancaster.

The movie's line, if you build it, he will come, was voted the number 39 movie quote by the American Film Institute.

Darren: 00:36:48

Yeah.

Paul: 00:36:48

Have 100.

But it's often misquoted as, if you build it, they will come.

Darren: 00:36:53

Why would you say that?

It's a whole thing about his father.

Paul: 00:36:56

I know, but that's apparently what it's.

Darren: 00:36:57

Misquoted as fuel my anger finger every.

Paul: 00:37:01

Day love, as we've said, last film with Burt Lancaster.

So he was 74 at the time of his filming.

Darren: 00:37:07

Great movie to have as your final movie.

Paul: 00:37:09

Yeah.

Darren: 00:37:09

I respect you, sir.

Paul: 00:37:11

James Earl Jones decided to do the film after his wife read the script and she became mesmerized by man's people will come speech.

Both joke.

They had concerns that the scene would be cut from the film.

It was not cut from the film.

It's a key part of the film, I would say.

The field was constructed over the fourth of July weekend under the direction of the Los Angeles Dodgers groundskeeper.

So you were talking about the real life character that James Earl Jones was playing.

Marc: 00:37:37

Oh, he was, yeah.

Paul: 00:37:38

Well, he's not a real life character.

He was a fictional one for the film.

What's he called?

Terrence Mann.

Marc: 00:37:44

Terence Man.

Paul: 00:37:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So a lot of people thought, though, after the film, because of the portrayal was so kind of well rounded and everything by James Earl Jones, that he was actually an actual writer.

But he was not the book, however, in the novel, it wasn't Terence Mann.

Raiken's Cellar.

Is that the writer?

I'm guessing it must be.

Marc: 00:38:03

That's Kevin Costner's character.

Paul: 00:38:04

Oh, sorry.

Yeah.

Of course, in the book, Ray's actually seeking the real life 60s author J.D.

Salinger, because in: 1947

And in his most famous work, the Catherine Rye, one of Holden Caulfield's classmates is Richard Kinsella.

In the original novel, Ray has a twin brother named Richard.

Yeah, they changed bits, obviously across to make it more interesting for the film.

The shooting schedule was very tight.

So as soon as the full cornfield scenes were completed, the crop had to be cut down to begin construction of the baseball field.

And James Earl Jones said that he had J.D.

Salinger in mind and he worked hard to translate him into the black journalist character.

Okay, one more.

Burt Lancaster originally turned down the part of Doc Graham, but he changed his mind after a friend who was a baseball fan told Lancaster they had to work on the movie.

So he wasn't going to do it.

His mate says, no, no, you gotta do it.

And he did.

Marc: 00:39:02

Well, glad he did.

Thank you, Paul.

That takes us smoothly over to hate it or rate it.

And I think I'll go first.

Yeah, I hated this movie.

Paul: 00:39:13

Oh.

Marc: 00:39:13

With a passion.

I just thought it was lame concept, lame characters.

I didn't care about anyone or anything in this movie apart from the door.

She was adorable.

Paul: 00:39:22

Yeah, she was very cute.

Marc: 00:39:24

Just ridiculous concept.

There was one point where him.

I think I should build a baseball field on our crops.

And she's like, you can't do that.

We can't afford it.

We can't do this.

We won't be that.

We have to live.

Two scenes later, if you really want to build it, I think you should.

Him.

Okay, like.

And all of a sudden there's floodlights.

Where's he getting all the money for this?

I just.

I couldn't get up.

That concept just blew my mind.

And I was like, no, no, no.

It annoyed me.

The whole film annoyed me.

And I just didn't like it.

I mean, there was some.

There was some nice moments in it.

There was.

Obviously, there's some good actors in it, some good scenes, but generally I just.

Actually, it reminded me of a film called Frequency with Dennis Quaid and Jim Calvis all.

Paul: 00:39:59

Yeah, I've never seen it.

I was wondering.

Marc: 00:40:01

Yeah, probably once, similar concept, but I think it was done a bit.

Bit better than this, from what I remember.

I might like to watch that again, actually.

And just.

Yeah, the whole thing about some people can see them, some people can't, and then later on they can see them and then they can't.

I just.

I was like, nah, I'm out.

So.

No, didn't enjoy it.

Didn't like it.

2.6 For me.

Paul: 00:40:19

Wow.

Marc: 00:40:20

Over to you, Darren.

Darren: 00:40:21

It's interesting.

That's an interesting response.

So it's kind of made me question why I liked it.

It's not totally my kind of thing.

I've got problematic relationships with my parents.

But it was sweet and I welled up a lot and I. I, yeah, probably cried a Couple of times and some bits, really.

Even that bit where you talked about Kevin Costner on the mound, like, it really felt like he'd.

He was a little boy again and he'd let down like his dad or even though he was pitching it.

Was it radioto pitching at me?

He was really always pitching him.

You know, I'm sorry, you know, I'm not a professional baseball player basically, but.

And he felt bad about it.

Kevin Costner is always a bit bland.

Like, he just.

He just is.

Paul: 00:41:01

You didn't although talk to the ladies about Kevin Costner.

Darren: 00:41:04

Really?

Paul: 00:41:05

The ladies love Kevin Costner.

Darren: 00:41:07

I mean, that's what he looks like.

Marc: 00:41:09

That's not coming to his acting, is it?

Darren: 00:41:10

I mean, I love those.

Like, you know, I'll defend Waterworld, I'll defend Postman.

I like that.

Dancing with Walls, Untouchables.

These are great movies.

But he's usually the bland thing in it.

He's.

He's a cog that other more colorful characters.

Marc: 00:41:24

Yeah.

Darren: 00:41:25

I adore Burt Lancaster and it was a treat when he rocked up.

Obviously.

I love James Earl Jones.

That voice is just legendary.

Like Ray Liotto, of course.

I. I liked it a lot.

It's not.

It's not totally my thing.

And it really made me think about life and my place in it and where's my regrets and you know, like the self therapizing.

Like, why.

Why would I get.

Like.

I would be the guy who's like, what about me?

I did all this and I even feel that now, like I've been really proactive, kind of working on myself and on my life and there's a bit.

I mean, that's like universe, come on, where's my reward?

Like, give me the reward for working on it, doing all these positive choices.

But, you know, the reward is I made the positive choices, man.

Paul: 00:42:08

Don't you speak to the universe like that.

You take that back.

Darren: 00:42:12

So I do think it's.

I'm really glad this film exists.

I think it should be.

I think it's put into like, what's the.

There's the.

An American.

Paul: 00:42:20

Oh, yeah.

Some of the facts.

Marc: 00:42:22

Yeah.

Paul: 00:42:22

It's in holds of.

Yeah.

Film institutes and that kind of thing.

Darren: 00:42:25

Yeah.

But it's like the archive is like.

It's like number 26 is.

This is an important film for American culture.

And I totally see that.

So I, you know, I think I've watched it once before.

I was happy I watched it again.

I'd probably give it a 7.1.

I think it's a really.

It doesn't make sense.

I agree with Mark.

And it does move too fast.

And it's like, oh, now there's, like.

And it's.

But there's also.

I like the fact it's not a religious thing.

It's not like there was a priest at Rocks Up.

Marc: 00:42:53

It could have easily done that, couldn't it?

Darren: 00:42:54

Yeah, totally.

And they're not.

Paul: 00:42:55

I feel like the inexplained bits are sometimes part of it, though.

Darren: 00:42:59

Yeah.

Paul: 00:43:00

To give it mystical sort of felt.

Darren: 00:43:02

A little bit like.

So we bought a zoom.

Because even if.

What do we need that prologue?

Like, oh, we didn't have a farm.

And then somehow this wife convinced me to buy a farm, even though I don't know how to farm.

Well, don't make stupid decisions like that.

So we've already got a record of making stupid decisions.

Paul: 00:43:17

But that's just to give you the character.

Darren: 00:43:19

Also totally didn't believe their relationship.

There's no love in that relationship.

Paul: 00:43:22

There's some love.

Darren: 00:43:24

No.

He just seemed like a grumpy.

A grumpy old man, which is disgusting.

At 36, you're in your youth.

Paul: 00:43:30

You know, very supportive wife.

After, like, you say, after a couple of hours.

Marc: 00:43:34

Yeah.

Paul: 00:43:35

Build it.

It'll be fine.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:37

What's the worst that can happen?

We could lose everything.

Oh, yeah.

Paul: 00:43:39

But that's the dream.

Darren: 00:43:40

Also, I didn't like the ending.

I mean, I get it.

I mean, the.

The emotional payoff is he's playing catch with his dad.

So most people can quiet that.

And then it does it.

It pulls up, doesn't it?

And it suggests there's lots of cars on their way.

Paul: 00:43:53

Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:54

To hand over their $20.

And I'm like, how's that going to work?

Marc: 00:43:57

It would be nice to have seen that play out.

Darren: 00:43:59

I feel like it should have ended on the game.

Marc: 00:44:01

I was expecting the end to be, like, loads of people there.

Yes.

That's the payoff.

This is what it's all been leading to is he's met his dad and he's making money from this.

Darren: 00:44:10

Yeah.

Marc: 00:44:11

This dream in his field.

Paul: 00:44:13

That's your dream of what's gonna happen next.

Darren: 00:44:15

As long as James.

As long as Terrence.

Man's dead in this movie.

Definitely.

Clear 7.1.

If he's actually alive.

Three, you don't even care.

Marc: 00:44:27

Excellent.

Over to you, Paul.

Paul: 00:44:29

Yeah.

I like it.

I like.

It's a very strange movie.

The first time I watched, it's nothing like what I thought it was gonna be.

I thought it was gonna be a baseball movie in the way that tin cups a golfing movie.

I thought Kevin Costner was some kind of baseball player.

And I don't know, you see the poster, you think it's one thing.

And the first time I watched him, like, this is nothing like what I imagined it was ever going to be like.

So I'd kind of been through that on the first watch a couple of months ago where I'm like, this is nothing like what I thought it would be.

It's very weird movie, very strange, but obviously coming out the second time, I now know it a bit more, but I'm not gonna dwell on it.

I think it's a lovely movie.

But I can see.

So I can see why it would divide opinion.

To some people, this is their favorite movie.

And you'll see on the.

Some of the people reviewing it, like, this is my favorite movie.

I watch it every year.

It's part of people's rituals.

Marc: 00:45:28

To Carlson, who chose this, it's his favorite movie, I'm guessing.

Paul: 00:45:31

So potentially so I can see why it would be, for certain people, like a comfort film.

I can also see why you think what you've said about it, where it's just like, what the hell?

This is a lot of crap.

I like it, but I like whimsical stuff.

I like the idea of the dreams and all the stuff.

If it's this kind of film, I find myself not questioning the.

The logistics of things as much.

So if it's like a very serious drama film.

Marc: 00:45:55

Yeah.

Paul: 00:45:56

I might be thinking, how did they get from A to B?

And why is this that and the other?

But when it's like a dreamy film where it's meant to have this kind of surreal quality of there's ghosts and there's this, and there's strange voices telling him to go on quests, I kind of let things slide a bit more because it feels like part of it is, okay, they're going to build a field and we're going to see where it goes.

So I will give it it.

I'll give it seven.

Seven.

Yeah.

I think it.

And just.

It's obviously culturally important.

We don't have the link to baseball.

That's why I was saying, is there other sports we could link it to?

So I can imagine it being a baseball fan, even though it's not about baseball.

I can imagine it being a baseball fan's favorite film as well, because it's got that link to the sport, which for us would be, I don't know, a film where it links to movies, I guess.

So if it was a film like Hugo by Martin Scorsese.

Yeah, it's very much a love letter to movies.

Darren: 00:46:46

Fall Guy.

Paul: 00:46:47

Yeah, or Fall Guy, something like that.

Where it's.

A love letter to movies is probably the equivalent of a sports person watching this film.

I mean, a sports guy who's into baseball, but probably not fantasy films.

Probably likes this because of the baseball element and the people, you know, the people of the past.

It's.

Darren: 00:47:02

It's also entered the lexicon.

We say, build it and he will come.

Yeah, I said it when I was kind of decorating my.

My cottage, and I was like, if I build it, she will come.

She hasn't come.

They will come.

Paul: 00:47:15

I wonder if that's why it got misquoted a bit.

Because of Wayne's World.

If you book it, they will come.

And the stranger, Maybe if you book.

Marc: 00:47:22

Them, they will come.

Paul: 00:47:23

And I killed him with my own shoes.

Marc: 00:47:25

I just beat him to death.

With their own shoes.

Yeah, but maybe that was a kind of reference to that.

Paul: 00:47:30

It probably was.

Probably was.

So, yeah, it's a nice film.

It's very weird.

It's very strange.

From what I like Costner, he gets a quite a bit of stick, but, yeah, I do like a Costner film.

Darren: 00:47:41

How can you deny that record?

Paul: 00:47:43

Exactly.

And he's still very much a leading man.

Marc: 00:47:47

He was working solid.

Paul: 00:47:49

Yeah.

So.

And, you know, Robin Hood, Prince Thieves was my favorite films growing up, so.

Darren: 00:47:54

But also Dancing with the Balls kind of redefined how Native American Indians were portrayed.

Paul: 00:47:59

And he directed that one.

Marc: 00:48:00

Didn't.

Darren: 00:48:00

Yeah.

Put his own money in, I think.

Paul: 00:48:02

Yeah, I think so.

Well, he's done that recently with these Western ones.

He's doing the Horizons.

Yeah, I haven't seen him yet, but I think he's done that again.

So.

Yeah, that's me.

Marc: 00:48:10

Okay.

Well, that gives it 16.7, which on the listener league puts it in 15th out of 21.

Just.

Just ahead of Con Air and Zodiac.

And it's just behind Leave the World behind and the Born Identity in the Legend League.

That puts it at 62 out of 87.

And it's just.

It's just ahead of Charade,: 1963

d Dog soldiers, your favorite: 2002

Yeah.

And the Beach.

t's actually tied on charade,: 1963

They're both on 16.7.

Paul: 00:48:42

Interesting.

Marc: 00:48:43

Tonight.

You know what we think, but we would love to know what you.

Your thoughts on this, and if you want to give us.

Give us your rating.

Out of 10 as well, and reasons why.

I'll read them out on the show.

Paul: 00:48:51

Oh, and Carlson, you were gonna say yes to this.

Marc: 00:48:54

Now, let us know what you thought of what we've said.

I'm sorry if I've offended you by not liking this mov movie, but that's the world we live in.

That's where it landed in the leagues.

So similar episodes in our back catalog or any movies that particularly follow on.

It's another one like It's a Wonderful Life.

Darren: 00:49:09

Yeah.

About time, I think.

The Crow.

Marc: 00:49:11

Yeah.

Darren: 00:49:12

Did we do Walter Mitty?

Paul: 00:49:14

Yes.

Darren: 00:49:14

Anything that's really even.

It's probably not as good.

But the train, dreams, any kind of masculine meditation.

Marc: 00:49:22

Yeah.

Questioning life and stuff.

And, yeah.

I think the Truman show is because it's following something, something that doesn't quite make sense, and gradually discovering that there's much more to this world than you realize, kind of in that way.

So if you.

Though we've covered those movies, so if you want to go back into our catalog and check those out, feel free.

Okay, that takes us into part three, the lobby.

Okay.

Let's begin with the inbox.

So we had an email.

Hi, guys.

I love the podcast.

I listen every week, but something has been bugging me for a while.

And that is your recording release schedule.

You've spoken about it briefly and in passing on a couple of episodes.

And I get the impression that even though you are a weekly show, you don't necessarily record that way.

Could you expand on exactly how you do it?

P.S.

Please discuss the Sixth Sense in an upcoming episode.

Well, if you've been listening, you would know that you're gonna have to submit that to the list of the choice.

Many thanks.

That's Steve from.

Is it Utoxeter?

So you pronounce that?

Darren: 00:50:19

Yeah.

I haven't seen the Sixth Sense.

Marc: 00:50:21

Neither have I, but I know that briefly, roughly.

Another concept of it.

I'm guessing you've seen it, Paul.

Darren: 00:50:26

No.

Marc: 00:50:27

Whoa.

Paul: 00:50:27

No.

I also know the twist at the end.

Someone shouted it out on a bus at the time.

Marc: 00:50:31

I think I've.

I've read that inadvertently as well.

Paul: 00:50:34

Are we really going to take him behind the scenes to this level?

Marc: 00:50:37

Well, he wants to know.

Paul: 00:50:38

Wow, these are all our.

All of our best trade secrets.

Marc: 00:50:42

So, Paul, I'll let you explain.

So we are a weekly show.

Do we record every week?

Paul: 00:50:46

No.

Marc: 00:50:47

What do we do?

Paul: 00:50:48

This is like the Graham Norton show, where it's like, hello, it's Friday night.

It's not Friday night.

So we record fortnightly and we Tend to do two episodes every fortnight.

But then we release them weekly because in between me and Mark have to edit them.

Marc: 00:51:03

Yes.

Paul: 00:51:03

Between us as well.

Marc: 00:51:04

We all have busy lives.

Paul: 00:51:05

Yeah.

So we fit it in.

So we get together and it's probably.

You'll notice that we reference certain episodes that we.

We've just done the week before quite a lot.

Marc: 00:51:14

When it really is the one we just recorded like two minutes ago.

Paul: 00:51:16

Exactly.

It's like, oh, there's a big tie from the last film we did.

And that's because we literally just recorded it.

So yeah, we recorded it a good.

Marc: 00:51:23

Job because no one's picked up on that.

Paul: 00:51:24

So I guess so.

But then occasionally Matt makes his work extra and we do a bonus episode here and there as well.

Yes.

Marc: 00:51:32

I mean all goes, the whole thing goes to pot.

We have a Cinema Social.

Paul: 00:51:37

Does it does.

But we then have to sort of realign it as back to the schedule.

It's a very complicated schedule but we do what we're told.

Marc: 00:51:48

Pretty much.

I have.

I have it organized.

Paul: 00:51:49

Otherwise Mac is the master of the schedule and he keeps us on track.

He is the captain of the ship.

Marc: 00:51:54

I do my best.

I hope that answers your question.

It seems pretty boring to me but.

Paul: 00:51:59

That's what the people people want to know the logistics.

Marc: 00:52:04

Okay.

So for this week's question of the week we had an email.

Hi guys.

I've got a suggestion for a future question of the week.

I think get some really interesting answers will be the judge of that.

The question is what is a movie that you will defend until your last breath?

We've all got that one film that everyone else seems to have a problem with.

But we'll happily stand there argue its case until the bitter end.

It could be a critically panned movie, a guilty pleasure, something that is generally considered crap or simply a film that gets far more hate than we think it deserves.

I reckon this could be cause a few arguments and hopefully reveal some question questionable movie choices from your listeners.

Let's find out.

So that's from Dave from Leicester.

Paul: 00:52:43

That's pretty good.

Marc: 00:52:44

A movie that you will defend.

Paul: 00:52:46

I'll defend Masters of the Universe, the original as I probably said on the podcast when we reviewed it.

Marc: 00:52:51

Yeah, I'd probably defend any mistake.

Paul: 00:52:52

There you go.

Marc: 00:52:53

I will.

I just like it that much and I know all about it.

So yeah, that's another thing.

Like if you really like it but you know everything about it as well.

Like then you.

You're qualified to defend it.

Darren: 00:53:03

It.

Paul: 00:53:03

Yeah.

Marc: 00:53:04

Rather than a movie that you just.

Paul: 00:53:05

Love A lot of the times I'll be like, yeah, I can see why you hate it because it's.

But I love it, so to hell with you.

Marc: 00:53:10

I'm genuinely like that.

But there is, there will be certain movies like.

No, I'm not having that.

Darren: 00:53:14

Okay.

Paul: 00:53:15

Any feud or.

Specifically.

Darren: 00:53:17

Yeah, there's loads like Harley Quinn, Supergirl stuff they get on, which I don't really think should be shot on.

Like I said before with Kevin Costner, like people really crapped on the Postman and I just feel like they wanted Kevin Costner to fail.

That's a really solid movie.

Paul: 00:53:32

I thrifted it, so I will get there eventually.

Darren: 00:53:34

I really like Waterworld.

It's Mad Max on the water.

Paul: 00:53:36

I like.

Darren: 00:53:37

What's not to like?

Paul: 00:53:38

I like.

I feel like they're against what.

I'll stand up for Waterworld actually as well.

I'm with you on that one.

I feel like it was all.

Because the budget was so big, so there was this kind of snobbery around oh, how dare they spend this much money on a film.

So when it came out there was so much hype around it that people like that's that really expensive film and it flopped.

And I think the media absolutely loves saying that it flopped.

Didn't people?

Darren: 00:54:00

And the media love tearing things down.

Marc: 00:54:03

Okay, so there we go.

This week's question of the week is name a movie you will defend until your last breath.

Okay, that takes us on to next week's movie, which will be the Dog Stars, which is our Cinema Social that we recently did with some listeners.

It was quite fun.

Expect the full nutshell treatment of that movie.

Next week we'll have a recap from the people who were there.

They sent some messages in so we'll read them out on the show.

Obviously we'll do our usual treatment on that.

Darren: 00:54:29

It's probably still at the cinemas now, isn't it?

Marc: 00:54:31

Yeah, if you're listening to this when.

Darren: 00:54:32

It goes out, with the better luck it'll still be there.

It's a big cinema.

Maybe rush flee to your local cinema so you can watch it so you know what we're talking about.

Marc: 00:54:43

And then if you.

If you have missed it, I don't think it'll be long till it'll be on the streaming.

Paul: 00:54:46

They're very quick turnarounds now.

Darren: 00:54:47

Yeah, it's a Ridley Scott movie.

Marc: 00:54:49

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, we had a great time doing it.

So look forward to that next week.

Find out all about that Cinema Social and the movie itself.

Which brings us to the end of the show.

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Okay, this is Mark saying goodbye.

Darren: 00:55:16

This is Darren saying goodbye for now.

Paul: 00:55:18

We just don't recognize life's most significant moments while they're happening.

Back then, I thought, well, there'll be other days.

I didn't realize that that was the only day.

Darren: 00:55:29

God, I didn't think you were gonna stop.

Marc: 00:55:31

Sorry.

That was a good quote, though.

Good sentiment.