Independence Day(1996) - Can We Rely On Humanity?

Darren: 00:00:00

Okay, aliens exist.

Are they going to reduce the price of diesel?

Can they speed up my wi fi?

Like what's going on?

Are the Americans are coming to save us.

About bloody time.

Paul: 00:00:12

What do they plan to do, Darren?

Darren: 00:00:13

Thank God for them.

Marc: 00:00:26

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Welcome back to the show.

alking about Independence Day: 1996

Paul: 00:01:04

Thanks Joe.

Marc: 00:01:04

Long time listener, second time nomination.

So he's got two movies on the list now.

1996, Directed by Roland Emmerich.

Darren: 00:01:12

Yep.

Marc: 00:01:12

What else was he known for?

Darren: 00:01:14

Disaster movies.

I don't even know but I'm gonna guess Poseidon.

Paul: 00:01:19

I think that was probably a Day.

Darren: 00:01:20

After Tomorrow or something.

Anything where there's a perfect storm.

Paul: 00:01:25

Yeah, I think that was.

Oh no, I think that was someone else.

Darren: 00:01:28

Oh, who do you think it was?

Paul: 00:01:29

Wolfgang Peterson.

Darren: 00:01:30

Wolfgang Peterson.

You're right, it is.

Yeah, I know he's right, it's Wolfgang Peterson.

Paul: 00:01:33

Yeah, but you're on the right track.

Marc: 00:01:34

It's like so for this, this is like he's got a blockbuster.

Paul: 00:01:38

He did Stargate before Independence Day.

Darren: 00:01:40

Yeah, he's a disaster movie guy.

Paul: 00:01:42

He's a disaster.

Yeah, I think After Independence Day became.

Darren: 00:01:44

He's a DMG.

Paul: 00:01:45

Well, what's the other one?

2000?

Darren: 00:01:48

Yeah.

Is that the one where everything gets frozen?

Paul: 00:01:49

No, that's Day After Tomorrow.

ends up having to fly flight: 2009

Darren: 00:01:55

Watch that.

I find it really hard to watch Jeff John Cusack in his older years because it means I've got old.

Paul: 00:02:02

Oh, I see.

2012, That was it.

Darren: 00:02:05

He's like go back to gross point blank and like say anything.

Paul: 00:02:07

nd he didn't look that old in: 2012

Darren: 00:02:11

Even high fidelity is okay.

Yeah, even Connor.

I'll bet he wear sandals in conair.

So yeah, I feed to it.

Paul: 00:02:17

So.

So there's quite a few disaster movies for all of Them.

But that tends to be his.

His niche.

Marc: 00:02:23

Yeah.

Paul: 00:02:23

And he produced his producers, a guy called Dean Devlin and he does lots of various stuff as well, so quite a lot of sci fi.

Darren: 00:02:30

He likes the explosions.

Paul: 00:02:32

Oh, Godzilla.

Darren: 00:02:33

Yeah, figured.

Marc: 00:02:34

So how do.

How do we're in the nutshell.

So how do we break this movie down?

How do you.

How do you describe it?

Darren: 00:02:39

Alien invasion, Humans fight back.

Marc: 00:02:42

I mean, most people, even if I haven't seen this, they know of this movie.

Darren: 00:02:45

Yeah.

I mean, the trailer was the White House blowing up everyone's.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:02:49

Special.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:02:50

War of the Worlds meets Top Gun.

Marc: 00:02:52

Yeah.

Paul: 00:02:52

Oh, what's that?

Is that someone else?

Darren: 00:02:54

You've done very well there, Paul.

Paul: 00:02:55

Thank you.

I surprised myself.

I don't know where that came from.

Darren: 00:02:59

Top Gun, I do think that is pretty perfect.

Marc: 00:03:01

All the world's Mars Attacks.

Paul: 00:03:03

Mars Attacks.

Mars Attacks came very close after this,.

Marc: 00:03:06

I think War of the Worlds meets Armageddon.

Paul: 00:03:08

Armageddon could be in the mix though.

Darren: 00:03:10

Yeah.

Paul: 00:03:10

Something Transformers meets something.

Maybe.

Marc: 00:03:14

I mean, do we need to go any further?

In a nutshell of this movie, like, if someone hasn't seen it, that's basically what.

What can we say?

Paul: 00:03:21

The qu.

The question of whether or not we are alone in the universe has been answered.

Was the thing on the posters and.

Darren: 00:03:27

We've talked about this because apparently it's also answered on his screen.

Marc: 00:03:31

That is a cool poster.

Paul: 00:03:31

Is a cool poster.

Darren: 00:03:33

Sorry, Darren, what you said we've talked about this before with Disclosure Day, because it feels like the answer has been answered and we're told that aliens exist and it's like seven species and no one seems to care.

Paul: 00:03:43

I still can't go.

Me and my mate still, still text about this occasionally.

Like, can you believe, like, we'll be watching a sci fi film?

Be like, so technically all this happened.

Area 51 and everything's been confirmed or whatever, and everyone just went, eh, okay, take away tonight.

But in 96, we were like obsessed with it.

Like, could this be a thing?

Darren: 00:04:01

But as you've said before, okay, Aliens exist.

Are they going to reduce the price of diesel?

Can they speed up my wi Fi?

Like, what's going on?

Paul: 00:04:07

Well, the Prime Minister's already sorted that.

He's given an app so we can figure out where the cheapest diesel is, which is nowhere.

So then you have to drive 500 miles to the cheaper place, which costs you more to get the thing.

Darren: 00:04:19

I do just cut the tax on fuel.

It's not that tricky.

Paul: 00:04:21

There you go.

Giving ideas to class.

Marc: 00:04:24

It's classic.

This is classified as science fiction action disaster.

It's huge.

It's spectacular.

Patriotic.

Darren: 00:04:30

Patriotic is the word.

Marc: 00:04:31

Yeah.

Funny.

And deliberately over the top.

Paul: 00:04:33

It's very Michael Bay.

Darren: 00:04:35

I'm not entirely sure it's even deliberately over the top.

I just think that this was the Americans in the 90s.

Marc: 00:04:40

Well, I mean, yeah.

Kind of think, like, there's other movies.

What other movies that we said this can be compared to?

They always.

Darren: 00:04:46

This.

I would say that Team America is over the top.

Marc: 00:04:48

Yeah.

Which is intentionally over the top.

Darren: 00:04:51

Yeah.

This is almost at America.

Paul: 00:04:55

Yeah.

Darren: 00:04:55

Levels of patriotism.

Paul: 00:04:59

Yeah, it is.

Darren: 00:04:59

In the.

I think in the first five minutes, we see the American flag, like three times or something.

And there's this theory.

I can't remember who it comes from.

Marc: 00:05:05

Just in case we didn't know it was in America.

Darren: 00:05:07

Yeah, exactly.

And the Americans were the heroes who were just waiting to save the day.

But there's a theory called reception theory.

I can't remember who it comes from, but when you make a movie, you have a dominant message.

It's the one the producers want you to have.

And the example I always use when I'm teaching is the American flag.

Because I'm like, well, what do the Americans want you to see when you look at American flags?

Marc: 00:05:26

The American dream.

Darren: 00:05:26

Exactly.

The American dream.

Freedom, independence.

Yeah.

And I was like, so that's the dominant message.

But not everyone gets the dominant message.

So you could argue that we in the UK get the negotiated message, and they're negotiating.

It is.

We get what you're trying to say, but can you.

Marc: 00:05:42

Shh.

Just turn a bit?

Darren: 00:05:44

Yeah.

Paul: 00:05:45

Like, okay, not the Americans.

Darren: 00:05:47

And then the oppositional message would be like, you know, people in Venezuela or Iraq or like, looking at it being like, no, you're the enemy.

You're flat out the enemy.

So, yeah, it's interesting because the American flag is a symbol, but not the whole.

The whole planet doesn't agree that that symbol means the same thing, that it's.

Marc: 00:06:05

The center of the universe.

Darren: 00:06:06

Exactly.

Paul: 00:06:07

Right.

So what we're saying is this is Team America, the live action version.

Darren: 00:06:10

Yeah, kind of.

Marc: 00:06:11

Yeah.

So this is the aliens coming down.

We've heard this is the center of universe.

We're gonna have a look.

No, it's not.

Let's destroy it.

Darren: 00:06:15

There's a movie with Keanu Reeves when he's an alien.

Paul: 00:06:18

Oh, death Tomorrow.

Darren: 00:06:20

Yeah.

And he comes down, he's like, I'm here to.

I'm heading to, like, the UN Council to speak for.

To speak to your leaders.

And Americans are like, oh, we're Americans.

We're it.

You speak for the world.

Yes, yes, we speak for the world.

You're badly literate,.

Paul: 00:06:35

But at the end of the day, it's called Independence Day.

It's all about their independence days.

So can you imagine if they'd made this, but the Brits had swooped in and saved the day?

Nah, it's not happening.

They're not having that, are they?

The world teams up at to to to band together, but it's very much the American show.

Darren: 00:06:50

It is.

Yeah, it is.

Americans save the day fighting off et.

Paul: 00:06:54

And you've got Will Smith, Bill Pullman playing the President.

And Jeff Goldblum is Jeff Goldblum.

Darren: 00:07:01

And you've got Randy Quaid.

Paul: 00:07:02

Oh, yeah, Randy Quaid.

And Jude Hirsch.

Hirsch as well.

Marc: 00:07:06

Randy Quaid.

Not related to Dennis Quaid.

Paul: 00:07:07

Not related to Dennis.

I don't think he is.

And Mary McConnell, who you may know from such things as Battlestar Galactica as the President.

Madam President.

Marc: 00:07:15

Thank you, gentlemen.

Let's move on to part two, the unboxing.

From this point forward, there are going to be some spoilers.

So if you haven't seen it and you do want to go and watch it, we recommend do so now and then.

You will not get it spoiled.

What did you miss Horn section.

What have you got?

Darren: 00:07:32

This is like paint by numbers.

There's not any subtlety in this world.

Marc: 00:07:38

I don't think there would be.

Paul: 00:07:39

I don't go to the movies for salt here.

I want to ram down my throat.

Darren: 00:07:42

But there's a couple of things.

Like, yeah, there's a theory and there's another theory called.

I think it's called Dead author theory.

That is the meaning that the audience take away from it or the reader takes away from it.

It matters whether the author intended it or not.

That makes sense.

So it doesn't matter almost what the film intended.

What matters is what the audience take away from.

Marc: 00:08:02

Take away at the end.

Darren: 00:08:03

Yeah.

So I've got some takeaways.

Marc: 00:08:05

Okay.

Darren: 00:08:06

One is It's a very 90s thing, but I think having PTSD from Vietnam is lazy white.

And so Randy Quaid is like.

So two things going on with Randy Quaid's character.

He was abducted by aliens 10 years ago.

So now he drinks and everyone just mocks him.

Like, you adopted.

Did he do anything sexual to you?

And then it's like, well, he's got PTSD because he was in Vietnam, which in the 90s, that was the go to thing, like every serial.

Paul: 00:08:29

But he not just got PTSD because he Was abducted by aliens, probably.

Yeah.

I feel like that's.

Darren: 00:08:33

But the story that someone reports it.

Paul: 00:08:35

Oh, yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:08:37

Yeah.

Darren: 00:08:37

Like, we suspected PTSD from being in Vietnam, but yeah, every serial killer in the 90s was like, PTSD from being an Easy, easy.

Marc: 00:08:45

Just thought we'll just do that.

Darren: 00:08:46

Yeah.

But then the thing that kind of bugged me is I meant to find out a name, the black actress who is absolutely.

Paul: 00:08:52

I want to say.

Regina King.

Marc: 00:08:54

Yeah, Regina King.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:08:55

Breathtaking.

But this movie is doing something, and it's almost foreshadowing the kind of rise in divorce rates and particularly the heterosexual relationships in America.

That looks like we have now.

So if you're an American, please correct me on this, because we just see what we see through the media, and.

Paul: 00:09:15

Then we say it in our weird British accents.

Darren: 00:09:17

Exactly.

Like, all the Americans are coming to save us.

About bloody time.

Paul: 00:09:22

What do they plan to do?

What do they plan to do, Darren?

Darren: 00:09:25

Thank God for them.

But there's this shaming on.

On your job.

So it's like Will Smith's dating a stripper.

And she's like.

And at one point, she's talking to Madame President, the First lady, and she said, oh, no, I'm an excited.

She said, oh, do you do ballet?

And she said, no, I'm an excited dancer.

Oh, I'm sorry.

It must be stimpl.

Completely awful for you.

But I might be reading that wrong.

Maybe she said sorry because.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I just realized what a snob I am.

Like, I'm not a gala.

Paul: 00:09:54

Now.

I feel like she said it in a way that was a bit empath.

Empathic.

Darren: 00:09:58

But then Will Smith's mate is like, you're never going to work for NASA if you're dating a stripper.

Paul: 00:10:02

They're like, will Smith's mates, Harry Connick Jr. You showed some respect.

Darren: 00:10:07

Yeah.

We're saying nonsense out of his mouth.

Will Smith should slap him and be like, get that thought out your mouth.

Paul: 00:10:15

Stripper's life out of your damn mouth.

Darren: 00:10:17

Yeah, exactly.

But then it goes further than that because Jeff Goldblum is working as a cable guy.

Paul: 00:10:22

Yep.

Darren: 00:10:23

And the amount of shame is getting.

And his wife.

You feel like his wife divorced him because he had no ambition.

And then he says a really?

She's like, you know, I just wanted to go be part of something special.

And he was like, I was part of something special.

And that reminds me of everything everywhere all at once.

When the guy from Goonies says, yeah.

He's like, in another reality, I Just would have been happy lining the laundrette and paying taxes with you.

And I just think it's the sweetest statement of love.

But, yeah, everyone's just like.

Even his dad's like, oh, you know, you're just a cable guy.

Why'd you go to mnt?

You're such a loser.

I'm like, what the.

He's.

He's a nice, friendly guy and he seems to like his job.

Like, why are you bullying him?

Paul: 00:11:02

I know everyone is a bit mean to Jeff, but then he saves the world, so, you know, screw them.

Darren: 00:11:06

And then it's like, oh, I'm proud of you.

Now what?

I need you to go on a death defying mission.

And this builds on, actually the last episode, which I was saying that men's value is in what we provide, or it's in our death being noble because we're disposable.

You know, so it is this sense of like, yeah, you're gonna go up.

And then it's like, jeff Goldman's wife loves him again.

Where'd that come from?

Paul: 00:11:29

He's a hero now.

Darren: 00:11:31

They do the same thing in Armageddon, and it pisses me off.

Is that.

Is that Daddy?

Look, that's Daddy.

Marc: 00:11:36

You know.

Darren: 00:11:36

Who's that?

Marc: 00:11:37

Who?

Darren: 00:11:37

Who?

Don't know.

This is what they say.

Oh, that's the man who popped by the house because one of the guys going into space goes around.

Paul: 00:11:42

That's right.

Darren: 00:11:42

He's like, can I see my kid?

He's like, no.

It just makes it complicated when you look at your kid.

You go away.

Is that okay?

Or I.

Paul: 00:11:48

Then he saves the world and everyone's like, oh, yeah, that is your dad, actually.

Darren: 00:11:51

Yeah.

We're letting back into your life now because, you know, it.

It makes me vomit is what it does.

Paul: 00:11:56

So I'm glad.

I've never really thought about it, but it's making me angry now thinking about it.

Darren: 00:12:00

Thanks.

Yeah, well, yeah, that's kind of.

That is what they're doing.

Paul: 00:12:04

That's what we missed.

Darren: 00:12:05

Okay.

And other than that.

Yeah.

I remember thinking, I really, really want to see a sequel, but I want Trump to be president.

Marc: 00:12:13

And there's an extra layer of chaos and madness to it.

Darren: 00:12:17

Yeah, totally.

Paul: 00:12:18

They came down here, they said, this is the greatest planet they've seen.

Marc: 00:12:22

That's good.

Darren: 00:12:23

Friends of mine, like, personally,.

Paul: 00:12:29

In less than an hour, we'll be hosting the greatest, greatest thing of all time.

Marc: 00:12:33

I'll put a tariff on that.

Paul: 00:12:35

Oh, no, I'm gonna get assassinated now.

Darren: 00:12:39

So the other thing is, I Just find it funny that America seems to be such a religious country.

And then the opening of this movie is they have an earthquake and it's just like, oh, it's just a point four.

For such a religious country, you sure have a lot of acts of God trying to kill you all.

You have earthquakes and twisters and floods and forest fires and it's like Roland.

Paul: 00:13:04

Emmerich's not really there filming them.

Yeah, he's always on board.

Darren: 00:13:07

No wonder you're doing disaster movies all the time.

Your country's a disaster.

This is like basic survival skills you need.

Paul: 00:13:14

And it's the way Will Smith's been like, oh, something on the news about the quake.

Like, it's just another thing, isn't it?

Marc: 00:13:20

You actually look out the window, you just think it's ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:13:24

So, yeah.

So I think this movie probably contributed to women's divorce rates in the future.

And then it was, yeah.

Paul: 00:13:32

Holding independence.

Their response.

Darren: 00:13:33

I also find it funny that these incredibly technically advanced aliens apparently have no targeting ability on the spaceships.

Oh yeah, their targeting is worse than stormtroopers.

Paul: 00:13:47

They're about on power, I think.

I think it's about similar because their.

Marc: 00:13:50

Ships are moving around much more quickly.

Our planes are much more static.

Darren: 00:13:55

Not even heat seeking missiles.

You didn't think that would be helpful?

Paul: 00:13:59

If they had just eradicated us, there'd be no film.

Marc: 00:14:02

Yes, we know.

Paul: 00:14:05

End.

The end.

The aliens win.

Darren: 00:14:07

Every single one of those things.

I see I love like anytime it cuts like a film by Michael Bay.

Any five second clip.

Marc: 00:14:16

Yeah, I know what's coming.

Yep.

Darren: 00:14:18

Is it like Lord of the Rings when two female characters speak to each other and it's like a mother mentioned something to her daughter.

End credits.

Paul: 00:14:25

What I have done.

Darren: 00:14:29

Yeah, that's all I got.

Marc: 00:14:30

You got anything, Paul?

Paul: 00:14:31

I have a think I just wrote that character Intros in the 90s were peak and nice and swift.

Darren: 00:14:38

Use the language of the young people.

Paul: 00:14:40

I know, right?

I'm down with the kids.

Yeah, well, they're probably thinking, what?

We haven't used that for 20 years.

But yeah, I just think that the intros where you get to know who the characters are really quickly in the night.

You seem to be very good at doing it.

Whereas I feel on some modern films they can take half an hour and you still like, who the hell's this character?

What's going on?

Darren: 00:14:57

Will Smith didn't turn up for like 20 minutes.

Paul: 00:14:59

No, that's true.

But you're kind of introduced to pieces of like, oh, here's Jeff.

And here's Will.

And when you introduce them, it's like you kind of get a grip of the character quite quickly in them.

Darren: 00:15:08

Yeah, because it's stereotypes.

It's like, here's Jeff Goldblum.

He rides a bike in the office.

So he's quirky, I know, but here's this gay stereotype.

He's got a weird relationship with his mother and is a bit Camp David.

Paul: 00:15:21

That guy's in.

What's it.

This is Doubtfire.

Doesn't he do the makeup on Rob Williams?

Yeah, but no, I kind of like the stereotype for that kind of slick movie making.

Darren: 00:15:32

Here's a stereotype of Iraqis.

They live in caves.

Paul: 00:15:37

Now you're just making it sound really bad.

Darren: 00:15:38

Here's a stereotype of the British.

Paul: 00:15:41

Yeah, well, I think they represented us quite well.

Bloody hell.

What they're gonna do.

Darren: 00:15:45

We all speak like that.

Paul: 00:15:46

We're all having a cup of tea.

But no, I've lost my point now.

Yeah.

Just the fact that you kind of get.

Because they use the stereotype, as cheesy as it might be, it's a nice shot.

Could be like, okay, I get it.

It's Jeff Goldblum.

He's a tech whiz.

Okay.

It's Will Smith.

He's on shore leave.

You know, he's with his girl.

Okay, here's the president, Bill Pullman.

We're getting a sense of like the stuff on the tv.

Isn't there when the president's introduced?

Like, ah, the president's not tough enough.

And the president.

So you kind of get his backstory through that and he isn't amazing.

Help quickly.

People turn against you.

And, you know, he's quite chilled.

But obviously they give him a lot of flack.

And also with these films, I always think it's interesting.

I don't know.

Joss Whedon does this really well where there's like, you've got your core characters, but then there's also all these other characters around it.

So there's like Jeff Goblin's wife and there's the Madden president over there.

Because it's try to cover quite a large thing because you've got that group over there in this group over there and his dad's involved and like, Joss Whedon's quite good at still having them characters kind of being like you care in about the side characters as well.

And I felt in this film, this was always one of them where I kind of.

I cared about the side characters coming in.

And then Brent Spiner from Star Trek's in it.

So the crazy professor and he comes in near the end, but you still like, oh, what's this guy all about?

I don't know.

So in some ways the stereotype thing, it draws you in quicker, so it moves the pace up because you don't need.

So like a Netflix series might take 10 episodes to get to the point of where you know, the character is.

This is like, there, you've got it.

Three minutes.

Stereotype.

All right, I've got it.

So I don't know.

I've watched a few 90s films recently and I found it's always similar.

It's very much like, okay, I'm five minutes in, but I know what he's all about.

I know what she's all about.

And then they go on the character journey or whatever.

Marc: 00:17:29

I think this movie does a good job of inferring the scale of the invasion.

Paul: 00:17:34

Yeah.

Marc: 00:17:34

By jumping something massive.

Also the way they talk about the aliens, like they were.

They were just describing, like, oh, it's 15 miles wide.

And that's just one of the ships.

Darren: 00:17:42

Yeah.

Marc: 00:17:43

And then it obviously, when it zooms out, you're like, jesus Christ.

Also is the shot doesn't show the ship shows the shadow.

You're like, bloody hell, that's big.

And the way they talk about it and this, the fact that when it does the landmarks like the White House and all these massive.

And you just.

It looks.

Makes it look so small.

You're like, wow, we are nothing compared to this, this alien ship.

Paul: 00:18:02

And it's very Michael Bay, the sort of cutting on this film as well, isn't it, where it's like you're in NORAD and it's all the Commander Chiefs and then you're back in the White House and it's them running and there's helicopters going on.

Marc: 00:18:11

This is key points around the world, isn't it?

Paul: 00:18:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we said at the start, is it taking itself so seriously or is it not take.

It's very tongue in cheek at times still.

Marc: 00:18:20

It straddles that line, doesn't it?

Paul: 00:18:21

Yeah, there's like funny moments.

There's funny lines.

I remember being at the theater and there's still lines where I remember the whole theater la, which, you know, I don't know how often that happens anymore, but there's definitely certain lines that pop up when I re watch it.

I'm like, I just remember the whole theater.

I saw it a few times.

Darren: 00:18:36

They'd be like, welcome.

Yeah, that's what I call a close Encounter.

Paul: 00:18:39

Yeah, stuff like that.

Darren: 00:18:40

Literally, that is what, a close encounter.

You've met an alien.

That's a close encounter.

Everyone calls it that.

Will.

Paul: 00:18:46

Yeah, it's the delivery.

Marc: 00:18:49

Is that a ufo?

Well, it's up there.

I have no idea what it is.

So it's a ufo.

Paul: 00:18:53

Yeah, it's.

I just think there's that tongue in cheek humor and that blockbuster vibe is.

It's like we're making a popcorn movie.

It's in your face.

It's as bold as we can make it.

And I think even the market and around it at the time was very much like that.

It was like, is it trying to make it?

Marc: 00:19:08

No, there wasn't really.

I don't think there's a comedy aspect to it.

It was.

It was not being serious, but it was a.

It was like it.

We knew what it was.

Paul: 00:19:15

Yeah.

I think they just made it a fun blockbuster.

Marc: 00:19:18

Yeah.

There's a few lines in there, but.

Paul: 00:19:20

If you've got Goblin in the middle doing Goblin things, it just keeps it all a bit off the cuff, a bit and loose and.

Marc: 00:19:26

Yeah.

Darren: 00:19:27

Who in their right mind's gonna divorce Jeff Goldblum?

Marc: 00:19:31

He felt a very similar role to his role in Jurassic Park.

Darren: 00:19:33

Yeah, just like, similar role in everything.

Marc: 00:19:39

I just meant.

Paul: 00:19:39

But he does.

He does it so well.

Darren: 00:19:41

Yeah.

Why would you do it?

I'm not gonna hire Jeff Goldblum to not be Jeff Goldblum.

Marc: 00:19:45

I just.

I know.

I just wanted a scene where he was just lay down with his shirt open.

Darren: 00:19:48

Yeah.

Marc: 00:19:48

No reason.

I was like, I was waiting for that.

Paul: 00:19:51

It could have been done, but.

Yeah.

So nothing more for me, really.

I think it's very much a.

It's a patriotic film, isn't it?

We can't avoid that.

It's a kind of redemption film.

Although now I feel quite bad that, like you say they divorce everyone until they go up and risk the life and save the world.

And they're like, oh, actually, you're all right.

Darren: 00:20:10

Yeah.

You have value now.

Paul: 00:20:11

Yeah.

I only had to go through the Almost dying through a nuclear bomb.

Darren: 00:20:14

People, guys, the whole town were mocking the Randy.

Paul: 00:20:17

Yeah.

They all live in.

Darren: 00:20:18

Oh, yeah, you're.

Even his kids are like, oh, we're ashamed of our dad.

And now he's, like, gonna go on a suicide mission to save the planet.

Paul: 00:20:25

And then.

Darren: 00:20:25

And now you're gonna like him.

Paul: 00:20:26

They're really proud of him.

Marc: 00:20:27

Then I did, like, how Area 51 changed from, like, being a museum to, like a research center.

Darren: 00:20:33

Yeah.

Marc: 00:20:33

Like, suddenly, like, this is everything we know.

Like, let's go here.

Let's get everything we can.

Quickly.

Paul: 00:20:37

They knew.

They knew about Area 51.

Marc: 00:20:39

As if the President didn't know.

Paul: 00:20:41

Bill Pullman didn't know.

Darren: 00:20:42

I don't know.

Does it mean.

Does that mean, like Liz Truss knows?

Yeah.

Marc: 00:20:47

God, it's probably better that Donald Trump doesn't know.

Darren: 00:20:50

Yeah, yeah.

There's whole rooms of the White House where he's not allowed in.

Marc: 00:20:54

Yeah.

He doesn't even know they're there.

Paul: 00:20:55

Yeah.

Marc: 00:20:56

It's a mirror.

Paul: 00:20:57

I went to this place.

It was ufo.

It's really good.

Marc: 00:20:59

It's like they've got that.

No, they've got them in black.

Technology for him.

Paul: 00:21:02

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that was the year after, I think.

Men in Black.

Marc: 00:21:05

Yeah, it was.

Paul: 00:21:05

This was like.

So this was kind of Will Smith especially, and Jeff Goldblum.

I mean, Bill Pullman was sort of.

He was doing.

While he was sleeping.

Marc: 00:21:14

Will Smith had a good run this time as well.

Paul: 00:21:16

Well, this was like the era of Will Smith having blockbuster summer blockbuster after some blockbuster.

But Jeff Goldblum was on quite a win as well because he'd like Jurassic park to the Lost World, Independence.

He had quite a few on a run and Will Smith was on a roll as well.

So it was kind of your big.

There was a few years back there in the 90s where these were your guys.

It was like, oh, it's blockbuster time.

Let's go and watch these guys.

Darren: 00:21:36

I think I've said this before.

That's when we had Star Theory, where you had an actor who could open any movie in anything.

Don't really have that anymore.

We have character movies.

Marc: 00:21:45

So what's the most notable after that?

Darren: 00:21:47

I mean, you'll watch like the Marvel guys play the Marvel heroes, but you're not massively like.

Ryan Reynolds is a good example because you people love him in Deadpool.

But then I'll go do piece of garbage after piece of garbage that I don't want to watch.

Tom Cruise, you know, great.

In Mission Impossible, he'll get that.

But he's just on Digger and no one's going to see it.

Marc: 00:22:03

Oh, yeah.

Yes.

Tanking.

Paul: 00:22:05

I want to see it.

Darren: 00:22:06

Is it good?

Was your Squinty dies?

Paul: 00:22:08

What?

What did I think?

Am I reviewing it here?

Marc: 00:22:10

Yeah, go for it.

Paul: 00:22:11

I actually thought it was really interesting and I enjoyed it.

Marc: 00:22:13

And I mean, we may eventually cover it on here.

Paul: 00:22:16

It wasn't quite what I thought, but actually I really enjoyed it.

I can see the criticism for it, but I thought it was a really good performance from him because it's it's very meta.

I think you'll enjoy the metterness of it, Darren.

Darren: 00:22:27

All right, cool.

Marc: 00:22:28

Yeah.

Anything else on?

What do we miss?

Darren: 00:22:30

Nah, I don't think so.

Marc: 00:22:31

When we'll get Joe Lambton, tell us anything he likes about this movie, why he chose it and what he writes as well.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you gentlemen.

That takes us on to Paul's fantastic facts of the day.

Paul: 00:22:43

Let's do this.

Let's do this.

Marc: 00:22:45

Hundreds of millions for this probably.

Paul: 00:22:47

Let's do some.

Marc: 00:22:48

Let's pick up the best ones.

Paul: 00:22:49

Of course.

I've been working on this for hours.

Slaving away, he says as he can't find his first one.

There we go.

The alien spacecraft in Area 51 was actually a full scale model measuring 65ft wide.

Because this is quite cool in the sense that in the 90s they used to build the stuff, whereas now they'd probably like we'll just put a green screen and then throw in a thing.

But something happened.

Yeah.

At around 41 minutes in the main helicopter used for the welcome Wagon operation was a Skirsky, a Sikor Sky S64 Skychrome, which was outfitted with an array of flashing lights.

And in the DVD commentary, the producer Dean Devlin said that when they first test flew the helicopter with the lights on, over 150 calls were received in Orange county from callers who spotted the helicopter unsure of what it was and reported a ironically.

So the welcome Wagon is Go.

Marc: 00:23:46

I like that name.

Paul: 00:23:47

July: 1995

That is ridiculous.

For a big film like this, 72 days, they must have had to have been on it.

I've heard of indie films that have had more than that.

Darren: 00:24:09

Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:24:10

The film was banned in Lebanon under pressure from Hell's Bola Hezbollah.

Thank you.

Because it included.

You'd miss it if I pronounced these properly, wouldn't you?

Because it included scenes where Israeli and Iraqi soldiers joined forces in the montage where militaries around the world signed on to.

The US is planned to counterattack the alien force.

For the last few decades, Lebanon officially boycotts any form of entertainment that features Israelis.

Darren: 00:24:36

I think that's probably a growing movement now.

Paul: 00:24:38

Yeah, I thought you'd enjoy that one.

When Dean Devlin and Ronald Emmerich.

Roland Emmerich, first pitched the film's idea around different studios, they purposely did not send their treatment to mgm, who Distributed.

It distributed their previous film stargate, which was 94, but since obtained franchise rights and kept them out of a proposed TV series adaptation.

Their concept was described as War of the Worlds meets Pulp Fiction.

What?

Which immediately interested 20th Century Fox.

So that's interesting.

So they made Stargate.

Marc: 00:25:11

That's their meats.

Paul: 00:25:12

Yeah.

Pulp Fiction.

I don't get that one.

But yeah.

So they made Stargate and then obviously Stargate got bought by that company to make the TV show.

But then they kept them out of it and they got sulky and says, well, you're not having that then.

Okay, let's find a few more.

There is loads, as you often find with the old films.

According to the producer and co writer Dean Devlin, the US military had agreed to support the film by allowing the crew to film at military bases, consulting the actors who have military roles, etc.

However, after learning of the area 51 references in the script, they withdrew their support.

Darren: 00:25:51

Oh.

Paul: 00:25:52

Probably because it's real and we know that now and no one cares.

Darren: 00:25:55

Yeah.

Then everyone Naruto run into it to kind of prove it exists.

Paul: 00:25:59

I don't know.

Darren: 00:26:00

Do you guys remember that story?

Paul: 00:26:01

No.

Marc: 00:26:02

What?

Darren: 00:26:03

Now I'm feeling like I dreamt it.

Paul: 00:26:04

Oh, go on.

Darren: 00:26:05

There was this massive movement on like Reddit.

Wherever they were gonna, they were like, they can't stop us all if 10,000 of us all rock up at Area 51 and Naruto Run.

Which is like when you run with your arms behind you.

Marc: 00:26:15

I didn't know.

I didn't know that either.

Darren: 00:26:17

That Area 51 were like, if you turn up, we are gonna shoot you.

Paul: 00:26:23

Oh, wow.

Wasn't this in the files that it is a thing.

Darren: 00:26:25

I think it is a thing.

Paul: 00:26:26

Yeah.

And everyone's like, yeah, all right.

Darren: 00:26:28

But if there's an Area 51, there must be an Area 1 250.

Marc: 00:26:32

Yeah.

Paul: 00:26:34

rican President, which was in: 1995

ntly used for Mars attacks in: 1996

Marc: 00:26:45

The same set.

Paul: 00:26:46

Same set for the White House.

Marc: 00:26:47

I suppose it's the White House.

It does actually.

It's the same.

Paul: 00:26:51

That makes sense though, doesn't it?

If you've already built in, it's the same production company and everything, you'll keep it.

We've got the White House.

Marc: 00:26:55

Lots of people are gonna need it.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:26:57

During the aliens initial attack, the shots of cars landing on other cars was achieved by using cranes that released actual hollowed out cars onto cars loaded with explosives.

Because that was Back in the days when they used to actually blow stuff up and film it.

Marc: 00:27:11

I like it that they did that.

Paul: 00:27:13

And this became the second highest grossing film of all time worldwide.

Second only to, at this point in time, Star Wars, Jurassic park, because what we're in 96, and that was 93.

One more.

In the final scene in the desert, it can be seen that Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum are walking to camera, but not exactly together.

That's because Will Smith is 6 foot 1 and a half and Goldblum is 6 foot 4 and a half.

So Smith is a step closer than Goldblum to pretend that the two are the same height.

Marc: 00:27:47

Why does that matter?

Paul: 00:27:49

Don't know.

They obviously just wanted them look as heroic as possible.

So otherwise Jeff would have been towering.

Marc: 00:27:53

Over territory when he has, like, a platform, potentially.

Paul: 00:27:57

So Will's like, I don't want to be like, I don't know.

I don't know.

Marc: 00:28:00

Interesting.

Paul: 00:28:01

Make your own thing of how that came up.

Like, they must have been filming them.

And it looked a bit like Jeff Goldblum's just towering over Will Smith.

So they're like, oh, well, let's space it.

So I don't know.

Marc: 00:28:10

There we go.

Thank you very much, Mr. Day.

Okay, that takes us into hate it or Rate it.

So I think I'll go first.

Paul: 00:28:19

Okay.

Marc: 00:28:21

So we all know this is considered a classic.

It's a blockbuster.

Everyone who hasn't seen it knows of it.

But it's a ridiculous movie.

It is ridiculous.

It's over the top.

Paul: 00:28:30

It is.

Marc: 00:28:31

We don't know whether it's intentional.

I think sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

And I have some points to pick with it.

So when the.

When the aliens physically enter the movie, it gets a bit sketchy and classic.

Hollywood.

Hollywoody, if that's not even a word for mine.

So that suddenly they can communicate, which I find weird.

Like they know how to communicate with these aliens, that they start talking to them, don't they?

It's like hearing the voice.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:28:53

Telepathy.

Marc: 00:28:54

I was just like, where's that come from?

How have you figured that out?

Well, it's weird, the depiction of aliens.

It's always very similar in these movies, isn't it?

It's always we.

Always.

Someone's coming with it once.

And no one cannot see that image of an alien.

Now.

No one's got any other dep.

Of aliens.

Paul: 00:29:07

And then they quite like the one where they split open one alien head so another alien comes out.

Marc: 00:29:10

Classic alien.

Yeah.

What was it?

When will Smith just borrows a helicopter.

Just.

I'm just going to go borrow this helicopter.

Yeah, go for it.

He said, no, you're not.

Borrow it.

I'm going to go and see my wife.

Okay, borrow it.

Well, you know, then he just happens to find his wife who's been on the road for days in a stolen vehicle, lands exactly where she is.

Paul: 00:29:29

Well, obviously it's got ridiculous because he went to see her at the base where, you know, she's not there.

Marc: 00:29:35

She's been on the run.

When we go, oh, that bit with the first lady when she's dying and the daughter's there.

That got me right in the fields.

The daughter's there.

She's gonna be okay.

Yeah, and she's gonna be.

Yeah, she's not gonna be okay.

But yeah.

That was in the middle of Alyssa's blockbuster.

That was a very real emotional moment that got me.

And then Will Smith flying an alien craft.

I have issues with that in his line.

His line was.

What was his line?

I wrote it down.

So trying to pick who can.

Who can fly this.

And Will Smith says the line.

I've written it down here.

I've seen this thing in action and I'm well aware of its maneuverable capabilities.

Paul: 00:30:09

That's right.

Marc: 00:30:10

That's it.

That's it.

Qualifies him to fly in anything.

Paul: 00:30:12

That's right.

And didn't you do well?

Marc: 00:30:14

Didn't he do well?

Didn't he do well?

Then in the middle of all this chaos, death and uncertainty, he gets married.

Paul: 00:30:21

Of course, it's Hollywood.

Marc: 00:30:24

I was like, we're doing what now?

Paul: 00:30:26

It's nice because it gives Jeff and his misses A time to reconnect before he's about time.

Marc: 00:30:30

They do not have time to get married in all this situation.

Situation.

Darren: 00:30:33

And he'd been telling Harry Connick Jr. That he was going to break it off with her.

Marc: 00:30:36

Yeah, that was one of the early conversations.

Paul: 00:30:38

Well, he changed his mind.

Marc: 00:30:41

I mean.

Darren: 00:30:41

Yeah, only because he didn't get into NASA.

Paul: 00:30:43

Yeah, no, it was like, if I.

Darren: 00:30:45

Get into NASA, I'm going to ditch this guy.

Marc: 00:30:47

Then when he's leaving for that final mission, he says goodbye to his wife, completely ignores his son and his dog.

Darren: 00:30:52

It's not his son.

Marc: 00:30:54

He treats him like his son.

Paul: 00:30:58

Well, there's another scene that got deleted.

Marc: 00:30:59

Or something and then the end of it was completely ridiculous and over the top.

What?

Paul: 00:31:03

No, that's what they have to do.

They have to.

But throw a nuke in the middle of a mothership.

Marc: 00:31:08

I actually really enjoyed it.

Yeah.

I Thought it was.

Yeah, it was entertaining.

It was.

It was what you expect from one of these films.

Like, even if I hadn't seen it, like, I could have predicted what was gonna go.

What was going on in it.

Yeah, I quite enjoyed it.

I didn't think it was, like amazing, but I thought it was.

It was.

It was pretty good.

It was entertaining.

And I'm gonna give it a 6.4.

Over to you, Paul.

Paul: 00:31:27

Okay.

This is a fest.

Oh, hang on, Darren.

Circling things on a piece of paper that toast.

Worrying.

Yeah.

This is an absolute cheese.

Cheese fest of a movie.

Marc: 00:31:39

And it knows it is.

Paul: 00:31:40

It's over the top.

It's ridiculous.

It's absolutely everything I want from a blockbuster movie.

It's.

It's just great fun.

And as much as I want to sit there and pick holes in it and go, well, this happened and that happened.

And the shot with the dog is ridiculous because I remember even going to school is all groaning about the fact that, you know, the fireball comes down the corridor and the dog just jumps in time in slow motion.

You know, you knock a point off because that just pushes it too far.

But at the same time, you could do that with a lot of moments because Air Force One just gets away and.

But then you have to remember this isn't a documentary.

This is a Hollywood.

Marc: 00:32:21

Yeah.

Paul: 00:32:21

And it's doing what it says on the tin now.

I remember got to see this movie with my entire family at one point and it was surprising because my, you know, my dad doesn't really do sci fi.

My mum got dragged to a lot of sci fi when my brother was a kid back in the 70s, so she kind of been exposed to it, but she's more into Pride and Prejudice and that kind of stuff, you know, like period dramas.

Then you've Got Me and then my brother.

All I'm getting to is we all came out of the cinema and we'd all had a ball and I remember just thinking, my God, it's very rare.

A film actually hits on all bases.

Mum was like, oh, I wasn't keen on the alien stuff, but that was fun.

So my whole family really enjoyed it.

I'm gonna give it.

Part of me wants to just give it a 10 just for nostalgia.

I won't do that.

I'll give it an 8.5 because it is just full on fun.

Darren: 00:33:15

There's a line in Fleabag which is like a British sitcom, isn't it?

Paul: 00:33:19

Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:33:20

And Kristen Scott Thomas asks the main character, what's your favorite period film?

And she Responds Carrie,.

Paul: 00:33:30

I wonder why you were laughing before.

I was.

Darren: 00:33:33

Which I've never.

Paul: 00:33:35

Yeah, Moving on.

Marc: 00:33:37

Thanks, Paul.

Over to the horn section.

Darren: 00:33:40

I did not like it.

Paul: 00:33:41

I didn't think you would.

Marc: 00:33:43

No, I wasn't sure which way you were gonna go.

Darren: 00:33:45

I did not like it.

Marc: 00:33:46

It.

What were you circling much?

Darren: 00:33:47

I was.

I was circling lots of things.

One is it starts with dated 90s fonts that look like they're cut from clipart or something.

Marc: 00:33:56

Yes.

Darren: 00:33:56

And we're looking at it being like, you thought that was futuristic in the night.

You just.

Marc: 00:33:59

This looks like they weren't alone in thinking that.

Darren: 00:34:03

I was just like, that is ridiculous.

Like, that is dated.

It like crazy.

Then it moves fast and there's no tension.

There's no, like, oh, my God, the aliens are coming.

It's just like, okay, let's move along the aliens here.

All right.

Okay, Bored.

Okay, let's keep going.

Paul: 00:34:16

There's a countdown clock and everything.

Darren: 00:34:20

Also, is it worth the way we're living right now that I'm pretty content for the aliens to wipe us off the planet?

Marc: 00:34:25

Like, let's put us out of our misery.

Darren: 00:34:27

Yeah.

Like we're.

We're done.

It's good.

Paul: 00:34:29

I must admit, there is that level of apathy.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:34:31

The script is atrocious.

It's like, it's slowing down, sir.

Marc: 00:34:34

It's what?

Darren: 00:34:35

It's slowing down, sir.

Oh, it's slowing down.

Okay.

You're a general or something.

What?

What?

They were just.

They were just stupidly dumb.

Then it was clunky stereotypes.

Oh, he rides a bike.

Whatever.

It's like, oh, he chess at the beginning.

So then later on it's like, oh, it's like chess.

If you strategically position your pieces and then you strike.

That's not character.

Paul: 00:34:58

Checkmate.

Darren: 00:34:59

Yeah, it's like, oh, it's checkmate.

It's like, don't stop.

Stop pushing chess into this film.

The IQ of the people enjoying this movie.

Paul: 00:35:06

It's my iq.

Darren: 00:35:09

Are not going to be trying.

You need to be using like a drafts analogy.

Snakes and ladders.

It's like snakes and ladders.

It's like, paint my numbers.

No.

And then like the low key racism.

It's like, oh, behold the people in Africa with their, their tribal dresses and their spears.

Like Ewoks at the end of Jedi.

They chanting at the sky.

Oh, the American God saved us.

It's like, get the out of here.

That's not happening.

And then how do you make a dog fight dull?

It's like, even the alien like, gum noises were like, like, it's like, what?

Paul: 00:35:45

That was quite a good impression, though.

Darren: 00:35:46

Yeah, it was ridiculous.

Marc: 00:35:47

That was like, better.

Darren: 00:35:48

You've learned, like, doc, fight.

Say easy.

We've got loads of, like, war movies that do them.

Great.

Star wars did it great.

Jedi did it great.

Like, no dog fight should be amazing.

Paul: 00:35:58

Where he's in the canyons.

Great.

And, like, there's the rocks and it's flying under the thing.

No, he's looking unimpressed.

Darren: 00:36:04

Well, Maverick.

Or is it Maverick or Top Gun that does that?

Maverick does that so much.

But, like, 20 years later, top Gun did it better.

Jedi did it better.

Paul: 00:36:13

Okay.

Darren: 00:36:14

No, I didn't.

Marc: 00:36:17

Anything you enjoyed about this movie?

Will Smith's girlfriend about the movie, though?

Darren: 00:36:22

I don't think there was.

I just thought it was American propaganda, and I think I would have enjoyed it like, 10 years ago.

But I'm really sorry, Americans, you're not the leaders of the free world.

You're not going to save anyone.

We're actually.

Everyone's actually getting together and talking about you behind your back and.

Paul: 00:36:39

Ouch.

Darren: 00:36:40

Yeah.

Marc: 00:36:41

Wow.

Darren: 00:36:41

And I think, you know, the shaming of.

Of being a straw.

A single mum, and she's a stripper and she's feeding her kid.

How about we don't shame women for.

Paul: 00:36:48

Doing that in the sequel?

She's like a doctor, though.

Darren: 00:36:52

Don't tease me.

Paul: 00:36:53

It's true.

Darren: 00:36:54

She's a doctor.

Where's that come from?

Paul: 00:36:56

What?

She goes and gets a degree.

Darren: 00:36:58

Okay.

Paul: 00:36:58

And she ends up as a doctor.

Marc: 00:37:00

Okay, we need to watch.

We need to get that one on.

Paul: 00:37:03

No, you don't.

Because if he doesn't like one, he's not gonna like two.

Marc: 00:37:06

Yeah, but you think of the entertainment value, though.

Darren: 00:37:08

And then what's Mark saying?

So then they.

Then they, they.

They fly up into a mothership, and the mother ship's not sus.

At all that, hey, that's that ship that crashed 20 years ago.

We wondered where that got to.

And then they, what they do.

They plug in a USB into alien technology.

Marc: 00:37:24

Even when they get in the ship.

Like, how you.

How have you got a clue how to fly this thing?

Darren: 00:37:28

Right?

Marc: 00:37:28

It should be completely alien to you.

Literally.

Paul: 00:37:30

Come on, it's fun.

Darren: 00:37:31

Like if it was somehow like flight, the navigate or something, where you put on a helmet and then it just evades your.

Your thoughts.

But then there will be alien thoughts.

Not cute.

I don't know.

Yeah, I.

It's just one of those movies I just sat looking at and I was like, things are happening and I don't like Them.

Okay, okay.

I just.

Paul: 00:37:51

Did you ever like this film in the past?

Darren: 00:37:53

Yeah, I think I would have.

I used to love Will Smith.

Like during that period, everything.

You know, I watch Wild Wide west and stuff like that.

It's like he was.

He used to work with even bad boys I liked back in the day when I was, I know young.

I like teens dynamic with Martin Lawrence a lot of the time.

Yeah, I liked his previous.

But no, not now.

Paul: 00:38:11

Is it because Will Smith is in it and you hate Will Smith now?

Darren: 00:38:14

Will Smith was in it less than I thought, so that was nice.

And also it's the same issue that I had with the last week's movie.

What was that?

Paul: 00:38:22

Ready player one.

Darren: 00:38:22

Ready player one in the guys are children.

Paul: 00:38:25

Like, that's true.

Darren: 00:38:26

Will Smith is supposed to be a top fighter pilot and they're just making jokes.

Marc: 00:38:29

He's like childish.

Darren: 00:38:30

Yeah, it's like, what the hell?

You guys are just.

Just like being very.

There's no seriousness to it.

No one's got gravitas.

Even Bill Pullman's a bit kind of like childlike.

There's no one who's like a grown up in this movie.

Marc: 00:38:44

So he's very young for a president as well.

Darren: 00:38:46

Yeah, but.

Paul: 00:38:47

But they say that in the movie.

They're like.

They talk about him saying that he's like the.

The orphan saying he wants some more or something.

They talk about his age.

Darren: 00:38:56

I just didn't really enjoy.

I didn't really like the characters.

The dog fights were boring.

Most of it was ludicrous and.

But I did like the REM song.

That was a nice flashback.

Paul: 00:39:05

Oh, there you go.

Darren: 00:39:06

Actually, you know what?

I'll give it 2.1 because of REM.

Marc: 00:39:09

2.1.

We have the score.

That gives it 17.

So I give it 6.4.

Darren 2.1.

Paul 8.5 gives it 17.

Darren: 00:39:16

Did you really enjoy it, Paul?

Paul: 00:39:18

Yeah, I did.

Marc: 00:39:18

I quite enjoyed it.

I. I knew it was ridiculous and I have.

There's lots of holes in it, but 6.4 for me is I'd enjoy it.

Darren: 00:39:25

More if I was watching it with friends and we were throwing popcorn at the screen, mocking it.

Marc: 00:39:30

So in the Listener league, which is the most important one for this, that is a listener choice by Joe Lam.

So 17 puts it in 15th out of 22.

All right, so it's just ahead of Field of Dreams and Con Air and it's just behind Leave the World behind and the Born identity Conor makes sense.

And in the Legend League, 17 points puts it in 60, first out of 92.

And it is just ahead of the beat.

No, it's just ahead of Birds of Prey, Harlequin and the Beach.

Just behind Spaceballs and Disclosure Day.

Paul: 00:40:09

It's better than Disclosure Day.

Darren: 00:40:11

No, Disclosure Day is better than this.

No, this isn't like a bad.

This is a good 90s movie.

Paul: 00:40:17

Right.

Darren: 00:40:17

Just take it back to the 90s.

Marc: 00:40:18

So this is actually tied bang on 17 with the Harley Quinn movie.

Paul: 00:40:23

Well, there you go.

That means Darren likes that one and I like this one.

And it's tied, balanced out.

Marc: 00:40:29

Okay.

So that is what we thought of the movie.

We'd love to get your opinion.

Send us in your ratings, your reviews, and we'll read them out on the show.

Things in our back catalog.

What might be a good listen after this?

Darren: 00:40:39

Disclosure Day.

Marc: 00:40:40

Top Guns.

Godzilla.

We did the Godzilla.

Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:40:43

Probably.

Bad boys.

Paul: 00:40:44

Bad boys.

Star Wars.

Marc: 00:40:46

Yeah.

Terminator.

Paul: 00:40:48

Yeah.

Something sci fi.

Marc: 00:40:50

Go and check out our back catalog and see what tickles your fancy.

And feel free to have a listen.

Okay.

That takes us into part three.

The inbox.

In the inbox.

Carlson Stanton has sent us a message.

He's put quick question.

Do you know when your November cinema next cinema trip will be and what is it yet?

I live in Birmingham, but at some point this year or the next year, I'd like to come up and join you.

That'd be awesome.

Paul: 00:41:15

Cool.

Marc: 00:41:15

Cool.

That's a long way to travel to join us.

Darren: 00:41:19

He's gonna be like, that is destroying the films I love.

I will have my adventures.

Marc: 00:41:25

I'm going to.

I want to be there.

Punch him in the face.

Paul: 00:41:27

Yeah.

Darren: 00:41:28

Yeah.

Many people have done so before.

Marc: 00:41:30

Yeah.

But that's pretty cool that he wants to do that.

Scott Wigglesworth wants to come as well.

Paul: 00:41:34

Cool.

Marc: 00:41:35

So where's Scott Place Manchester, by the way.

So he's got family up here as well, so it's not.

It's not as much of a stretch for him.

Cool.

Speaking of Scott Wigglesworth, he always.

He also messaged us because I put.

I shared a thing of.

I showed to you guys with the.

All the vehicles.

Movie vehicles that were going past on a trailer.

Yeah, I'm sure there's like Batman.

There was the Mutts.

Cuts from Dumb and Dumb.

There was original Batmobile.

There was a new Batmobile.

There was several of the cars I didn't actually recognize.

And then he just messaged saying, yeah, whatever.

Batmobile.

92 Classic Batmobile, Ghostbusters, XO1, Lightning McQueen.

It had the mater, which was that.

That's something.

That's something.

Like that.

The PLP50.

I don't know what the PLC50 is from.

Don't know, some kind of movie.

But then he put these are all owned by a company based just down the road from me.

I was behind.

I was behind a Gotham PD which is from the Dark Knight Rises.

An OCP Ford Taurus Cruiser from Robocop on my home last night.

Paul: 00:42:29

That's quite fun.

Marc: 00:42:30

It's just bizarre when you're in Traffic and the M16, it's like Nissan, Ford, Tesla, Ford, Audi, Ford, Ford.

There's Batman, Ford and must make the.

Paul: 00:42:39

Journey more interesting though.

Marc: 00:42:40

Oh yeah.

I mean every day.

Who can I see today?

So we've had a voice message from Tom Cruise himself.

Darren: 00:42:45

Sweet.

Let's hear it.

Marc: 00:42:46

Let's hear it.

Hello there.

Paul: 00:42:48

Long time listener of the show.

A lot of people think I sound like Paul, but obviously I'm not Paul because that would be crazy.

Crazy.

I just wanted to send in a voice note to say I think Darren was a little bit too harsh on Mission Impossible.

Marc: 00:43:02

Oh yeah.

Paul: 00:43:03

And definitely deserved more in the scoring.

Like I said, this definitely isn't Paul, but I just wanted to.

To send that message in and love the show, guys.

Keep it up.

What a good listener.

Darren: 00:43:15

I can't even remember what I gave.

Marc: 00:43:16

Mission Impossible, I can tell you.

Paul: 00:43:18

Well, that listener clearly thought it was amazing too long.

Marc: 00:43:21

Tom Cruise.

We can put that on our, on our socials now.

Tom Cruise, friend of the show.

Paul: 00:43:25

Wow.

Marc: 00:43:26

Mission Impossible.

Darren gave.

It's 1.8.

Darren: 00:43:33

Classic me.

Paul: 00:43:36

That's why I feel our caller was right to.

Right to send in a message.

Yeah, to send in a message there.

Marc: 00:43:43

Thank you very much.

That was the inbox.

It's time for next week's movie, which is me.

Paul: 00:43:49

Oh, it is.

Marc: 00:43:50

And I've.

This is for a rare.

I haven't actually decided.

I'm going to decide right now.

Paul: 00:43:54

Oh, wow, tension.

Marc: 00:43:56

Okay.

I have decided.

Paul: 00:43:57

Okay.

Marc: 00:43:58

Next week's movie we're gonna.

First on the show, we're gonna have a sequel.

Any sequels yet?

Paul: 00:44:03

Not at all.

Marc: 00:44:03

Since we started, we're not in one.

Darren: 00:44:05

Well, you better say Maverick or you're dead to me.

Marc: 00:44:07

Good thing about that.

But no, I'm going back to the future too.

Darren: 00:44:10

Ah, at least it's not yours too.

Marc: 00:44:12

No, Back to the Future too.

Paul: 00:44:14

Okay.

Marc: 00:44:16

Yeah, it's available.

It's available at the UK on the iPlayer.

It's on Disney plus, it's on Amazon Prime.

Darren: 00:44:22

It's gonna basically get the same score as the first one.

Marc: 00:44:25

Well, we don't find out there's not many.

How many times can you say a sequel is either as good as or better than the original?

Paul: 00:44:31

No, I'm not saying it.

I'm not saying that.

This is a film that I've owned on VHS, DVD, Godfather, Blu Ray, and 4K, but I kind of have.

Marc: 00:44:40

Yeah, I own a few physical versions of this.

One of the few that I do.

There we go.

Paul: 00:44:44

What are you thinking of sequels that are as good as the first?

Darren: 00:44:47

Toy Story?

Paul: 00:44:47

Empire.

Empire Strike Spot.

Darren: 00:44:50

Oh, yeah.

Empire.

Marc: 00:44:52

Terminator.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:44:52

Godfather said.

No, not Terminator.

Terminator 1's the best.

Paul: 00:44:56

I agree with him on that.

Marc: 00:44:57

Anyway, that's next week's movie, Back to The Future Part 2.

Thank you very much for listening.

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And that's it.

This episode is officially over.

This is Mark saying goodbye.

Darren: 00:45:13

This is Darren saying goodbye for now.

Paul: 00:45:15

I'm a combat pilot.

Will I belong in the air?

Marc: 00:45:20

Of all the quotes.

Paul: 00:45:21

Well, I was gonna do the world.

I was gonna do the full speech, but then I thought you'd tell me off for being, like, in less than an hour.

Marc: 00:45:27

It would have been perfect because I would have just gradually faded it out over the music.

Paul: 00:45:31

What has I got more dramatic.