Raiders of the Lost Ark - The Adventure Film Everyone Copied?

Darren: 00:00:00

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa. Yeah.

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Okay.

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t episode of June. My Choice.: 1981

Not the birth or the movie.

Paul: 00:01:06

I was gonna say popped out straight to the cinema.

Marc: 00:01:09

Yeah. So we begin with the nutshell, which is where we are, where we'll break the movie down.

Spoiler free to help you decide if this movie is your kind of thing and if it's worth your time. Before we go too in depth in the plot of it, what's the basics of this movie if someone hasn't seen it? Like, it's probably a lot of people.

This is one of the ones that's like they know of it but they just haven't seen it. It's on their list.

Darren: 00:01:25

I'm hoping they've all seen it. Behave.

Paul: 00:01:28

Come on.

Marc: 00:01:28

Some people won't have.

Darren: 00:01:29

It's basically like a archaeological version of James Bond or it is a male version of Lara Croft. Or Lara Croft is a. I was.

Marc: 00:01:38

Going to say a bit like he's got a bit of the Superman, Clark Kent, you know, when he's the lecturer. Dual identity that's totally different to when.

Darren: 00:01:44

He's did mean to check his star sign. It feels like Gemini to me.

He's got this one version that's quite timid and sweet and academic and then this other person that's just like fear not fearless. He's afraid all the time, but he does it anyway.

Marc: 00:01:56

So like by day professor in archaeology is Indiana Jones, Dr. Jones, and then his alter ego is a swashbuckling adventurer.

Darren: 00:02:03

That's genuinely my dating profile right now. It says by day film lecturer, by night podcast co host.

Marc: 00:02:08

Nice.

Paul: 00:02:09

You're Indiana Jones.

Darren: 00:02:10

I am Indiana Jones.

Paul: 00:02:12

That makes sense.

Marc: 00:02:12

So by day he is a.

Paul: 00:02:14

He's a professor of archaeology.

Marc: 00:02:16

Yeah. And then he's in his spare time, evenings and weekends. He's a swashbuckling adventurer who chases down historical relics and treasure and stuff.

Darren: 00:02:24

He's kind of got the charm of James Bond. Maybe not as polished, but he's got a rugged, sexy kind of charm. I say also it's hard not to mention Han Solo, but it's a very.

Marc: 00:02:33

In the same vein, the same similar character, isn't it? Roguish, roguish charm and mysterious. Yeah, quite mysterious.

Paul: 00:02:39

I mean what was that TV show with Tony Robinson, Time Team or something? That's where real life archaeologists would dig up stuff. They. This is the Hollywood version.

Darren: 00:02:48

Yeah, in. In real life archaeology is nerd tastic. It's just, I think from what I understand it's a very, very dull kind of job.

Paul: 00:02:57

But in this film it's more like romantic. In the stone, King Solomon's Mines, Tomb Raider, all the ones you were saying before.

Marc: 00:03:04

It's an old fashioned action adventure movie, isn't it?

Paul: 00:03:06

It's based off the serials, is it not? Darren, you'll know about this. Like the serials of the 30s, 40s, something like that. It's like a pastiche to them originally.

Darren: 00:03:13

I think they all were because it wasn't Star Wars. A kind of throwback to like Dan Dare and Ash Go. And this is Spielberg.

So Spielberg's part of the American new wave which is, you know, George Lucas and De Palma and Francis for Coppola and all those people. They're all heavily inspired by what came before.

This is interesting thing, I think it's interesting anyway that what we're supposed to learn through like in, in vertical kind of directions.

I saw this podcast guide talk about this and so you're supposed to learn from like your parents and your grandparents and you're supposed to learn from the stories of your tribe and your culture and it moves down. And our generation right now is the first generation that's learning horizontally. So they're going out across tick tock. Finding people their own age.

Marc: 00:03:52

The Internet really isn't it?

Darren: 00:03:53

And they're learning from their own outside influences, like time, but from their own like band of time. They're not going there.

Marc: 00:04:00

Everything that's going on in their culture is available, accessible. Whereas when we were younger it was only what get passed to us totally.

Darren: 00:04:06

And it's really like you can tell. So you know, obviously I teach film, the film students who watch older movies better Filmmakers just flat out, wow. But these guys watched old movies.

These were heavily inspired by, like you were saying, TV serials. Because they would have been back then. Oh, God, we're showing our age now. But cinemas. Well, firstly, cinemas were branded.

So you'd have like the Warner Brothers cinema showing Warner Brothers film. And then you'd also have a B show before it, or like a cartoon or this almost like a headline act.

Marc: 00:04:33

Followed by a minor, lesser act.

Darren: 00:04:35

It is. So, yeah, so they were absolutely inspired by those things.

But also the director, John Ford, Hitchcock and Akira Kurosawa, who's a Japanese director who's phenomenal.

Paul: 00:04:45

And it's that idea of cliffhangers, isn't it? Where the serials used to end on a cliffhanger and then you'd have to tune into the next serial.

Like Flash Gordon used to do it, I think, back in the day, where it end on a cliffhanger. The old Batman series. How will Batman get out of it? He's about to be squashed in this room.

Darren: 00:05:00

Yeah, the Adam west ones.

Paul: 00:05:01

The Adam west ones.

Darren: 00:05:02

He also does a thing that's very James Bond and it's very. I mean, it's overused now and I think sometimes it can be done badly. It's called in media res, I think, and it means into the middle of things.

So it's when you start the story in the middle of something already happening. So you start and he's already halfway through. He's actually near the end of a quest. And we're like, wait, what's going on? And then we're go back.

And I like it when things do that.

Paul: 00:05:24

Which is much like a James Bond thing, isn't it? Sometimes James Bond's on the middle of a quest before the title sequences. And it links in.

I put there was a lot of show don't tell in this movie as well, which again, we'll get into in the actual nutshell itself, but sort of that classic 80s filmmaking where in the new ones, and we've discussed this on previous podcasts, don't forget to listen to our back at catalog on the new Netflix ones. They have to keep repeating the same things to make sure that the audience is understanding. Whereas this is old school.

You meet the character by his actions, not him. Say hello, feisty person, or whatever.

Darren: 00:05:55

There'll be a rant coming about that a bit later.

Paul: 00:05:58

Stay tuned.

Darren: 00:05:59

But I think this is. This is a type. I don't know what it is now, but this is the type of movie that we would have watched.

It would have been on One of the four channels that we had, definitely where I first saw like a Saturday afternoon or something. Bank Holiday would have been on a Christmas Day or New Year day around that period.

So it's a movie that you start off watching if you're in our demographic in the background.

Almost like maybe an older brother's watching it or your dad's watching it while he's, like, having it somewhere freaking port or whatever at Christmas. And then gradually you get old and be like, wait, this movie is freaking cool. And then you watch it eventually, and then it's just part of your.

I think this is a lot of people's comfort movie, if you've seen it before, that.

Paul: 00:06:36

Suppose it's a lot like them 80s Spielberg films, isn't it? And people. People have that nostalgia for it, but it seems to be nostalgia that passes down.

Like the folklore thing, you were saying, the horizontal folklore. Even still, this gets passed down somehow.

Like the character of Indiana Jones is probably as famous now as James Bond, even though that was kind of the father of.

Darren: 00:06:54

But they've also. It kind of goes back to. We've talked about archetypes before and.

Yeah, archetypes associated with Carl Jung, but they're associated with Joseph Campbell and Vladimir Propp and all these different theorists. But they're really well known archetypes, basically. And they become mythic. They become bigger than themselves. They become almost like gods.

I mean, Indiana Jones is. I mean, you can recognize his silhouette.

Like, how many characters can you say that about that you can see his shadow and be like, I know who that is.

Marc: 00:07:22

There's very few. Like Superman or someone.

Paul: 00:07:24

Yeah, so you're going to tell us. But the nutshell, guys. The nutshell. And I would say he's on a quest in this particular adventure to find the lost ark of the title, which.

Darren: 00:07:34

Is a biblical artifact where Moses apparently kept the Ten Commandments.

Paul: 00:07:40

That's right.

Darren: 00:07:41

Okay.

Marc: 00:07:41

But he's pulled into a sort of race to find it before it gets.

Darren: 00:07:43

Into the wrong hands against everybody's favorite bad guys, the Nazis.

Marc: 00:07:48

That pretty much sums it up. Anything else?

Darren: 00:07:49

If you're on the fence with that, it's also actually kind of a sweet love story within it.

Marc: 00:07:54

Yeah, this is. I was gonna say this is almost vintage rather than classic. It's.

Paul: 00:07:58

Yeah, yeah, it's a swashbuckle. It's got romance, it's got a bit comedy. There's a bit of everything in the mix, really.

Marc: 00:08:03

It's gotten all the classic traps, treasure maps.

Darren: 00:08:05

Yeah.

Marc: 00:08:06

Desert chases, secret tombs, snakes, Nazis, all the Ingredients in a pot.

Darren: 00:08:09

Yeah.

Paul: 00:08:10

Stirred up Whisper with Spielberg at the helm and Harrison Ford leading the ship. George Lucas in the background as well.

Marc: 00:08:15

I had the Mummy meets National Treasure.

Paul: 00:08:17

That's good call.

Darren: 00:08:17

A game has come out for Indiana Jones. Was it last year or something? And it opens with the opening of this film.

Marc: 00:08:23

Wow.

Darren: 00:08:23

And you're Indiana Jones having a memory, like, dream of that scene. And you get to do the scene and wow. It moves forward. Yeah. But the reason I mentioned that is people are playing Indiana Jones the game.

Like, that's a recent release, so it's.

Marc: 00:08:38

Still got lots of life in it.

Darren: 00:08:39

Yeah.

Marc: 00:08:39

What kind of watch is this, Darren?

Darren: 00:08:41

I think it is the comfort watch. It's. Particularly if you're our age, if you got the flu and you just need something to watch. It's the.

When your kids have hit that age that they need to be educated. And so you sit them down and watch and watch this. It is the Sunday morning. It's the New Year's Day. It's. Yeah, it's a comfortable feeling.

It's a fun watch. You're in safe hands. And it's for any age.

Paul: 00:09:02

I mean, there's some gory bits in there, but it's still a family movie overall.

Marc: 00:09:06

Overall, yeah, it certainly was at the time.

Paul: 00:09:08

Yes.

Darren: 00:09:09

But the gory stuff happens to people that we want it to happen.

Marc: 00:09:12

Cool. I think we'll leave it there. That's. That sums it up perfectly. Thank you, gentlemen.

Paul: 00:09:16

Foreign.

Marc: 00:09:20

That takes us into part two, the unboxing spoiler territory ahead.

So if you haven't seen Indiana Jones and the Raiders, the Lost Ark, and we've helped you decide that you do want to go watch it, we recommend you go and do so now because from this point forward, there will be spoilers also.

Paul: 00:09:33

What's open this week, Mark?

Marc: 00:09:34

Oh, yeah. The listener choice is now open. So if you want to.

If you're listening to this right now and you would like to request a movie for us to feature on the podcast, it could be your favorite movie, or it could be a movie that's on your list that you haven't seen, but, you know, you should have. Fire them in. We'll add them to our random wheel of randomness.

Paul: 00:09:48

Random wheel of randomness.

Marc: 00:09:49

I love that it's getting bigger and bigger. Who knows? Our next listener choice could be your movie. Okay, thanks for reminder, Paul.

Paul: 00:09:55

Okay. Don't want to get. Don't get in trouble.

Marc: 00:09:58

Okay, so in part two, we have. We have. What did you miss? Where we reveal things you may have missed.

Even if you've seen the movie before, Paul has his facts of the day and then we round off with Hate it or Rate it, where we each give a brief opinion, score out of 10 and we see where it lies on the Legend League. So what did you miss? I'm going to go over to you, Mr. Horn.

Darren: 00:10:15

This is one of these movies that's massively talked about. I mean, there's been documentaries and behind the scenes and stuff. So I don't want to repeat things I think is overly common knowledge.

But one thing I did notice a little bit more than normal is I thought they would have tried to hide the links between Indy and Han Solo. I thought they would have tried to really make it disconnect those two characters.

Yeah, but there were so many things that would happen that I was like, this is Han Solo where you're going.

Marc: 00:10:38

To point out like 10. And I probably didn't notice any of them.

Darren: 00:10:40

Yeah, well, when you want, I probably.

Paul: 00:10:43

Won't either because I do see them as quite different characters. Obviously there's similarities, but.

Darren: 00:10:48

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:10:49

Well, to being one of them.

Paul: 00:10:50

Yeah, that'd be the biggest one.

Darren: 00:10:52

There's a bit where they're talking about the Ark and I think, is it Marcus? He's like. Is like, you know, you know what we're doing, blah, blah, blah. And he laughs.

He's like, you know me, I don't believe in magic and a lot of superstitious hocus pocus. Which is almost exactly the line Han Solo says where he says, hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match. Hooked blaster at your side.

Right, that's him. He also says, trust me. In the same way that Han Solo does. Trust me. And he also says, well, Han Solo goes, I'm sorry. Whereas he's like, I'm sorry.

There's only so many times I can say I'm sorry, kid. And then there's, you know, there is the kind of almost cowboy esque elements as well. And Indy shoots first.

Paul: 00:11:33

He does. I see what he did there.

Marc: 00:11:37

Interesting. I like that.

Darren: 00:11:38

There's probably more, but those are the ones that kind of stood out.

Paul: 00:11:41

Well, it was going to be Tom Selleck.

Darren: 00:11:43

Yeah, it was.

Paul: 00:11:43

It was going to be Tom Selleck.

Marc: 00:11:44

I could not see that.

Paul: 00:11:45

I kind of can. But obviously we're now used to it being this iconic Harrison.

Marc: 00:11:51

I think Harrison Ford's laid backness adds to that role. I think Tom Selleck would be a bit more over the top.

Paul: 00:11:55

I don't know. I don't know.

Marc: 00:11:57

I'm not as Familiar with Tom Selleck, I suppose.

Paul: 00:11:59

Yeah. Because in my. In Magnum PI he was quite laid back, I think.

Marc: 00:12:02

Yeah.

Paul: 00:12:02

Maybe that's why they got him. But we'll never know because it's Harrison Ford.

Darren: 00:12:06

I think Tom Selleck kind of knows that he's sexy as well. I'm not sure. House of Ford, I think, is finally being worn down. But. And he's very 18 now. Yeah, yeah. But he's still getting told he's sexy.

Marc: 00:12:18

Yeah, I know.

Darren: 00:12:18

Whereas, you know, when that girl's got love you on her eyes, he doesn't know what to do. Is all flustered. He's like, I don't get attention. I'm a nerd.

There was also a bit where there's a guy in the alleyway who says in like another language, where they are is basically this guy telling the Nazis where India's. Which is shot almost exactly the same way as the alien telling the Stormtroopers where Han is.

Paul: 00:12:42

Yeah, that's true. The Bothan Spies or whatever.

Darren: 00:12:45

Yeah, exactly. It's like. It's almost like Spurg was like, how. How should we shoot this? And George was like, oh, I've shot this thing before.

Should we go watch Star wars again?

Paul: 00:12:53

There's a shot. Steven, just do that.

Darren: 00:12:55

Yeah. Here's a story wars for my film which, you know, made, you know, whatever, 100 million or whatever at the time.

Paul: 00:13:00

It worked, right?

Marc: 00:13:01

Yes.

Darren: 00:13:02

Why don't we just redo it and just shoot it in like. Yeah. On this planet.

Marc: 00:13:07

Speaking of George Lucas. Well, so I've looked at the credits. Directed by Steven Spielberg, executive producer, George Lucas, story by George Lucas.

Paul: 00:13:14

Yeah, Yeah.

Marc: 00:13:15

I didn't know any of that.

Paul: 00:13:16

Did you know also, we came up with this around the same time as Star wars. And he. The fact of the day, which I'm throwing in early, but I think he went on holiday with Spielberg.

Spielberg was like, I really want to direct a Bond movie. And George is like, forget Bond. I got something better. Got a better idea for you. And that's how this kind of became the child of Bond, if you will.

Marc: 00:13:34

How many movies have those two been involved in together that have been big hits?

Paul: 00:13:37

These were the main collaborations, but the mates. Yeah, but they were the collaboration.

Darren: 00:13:42

But I don't know if this is going from memory, but I'm sure George had a flop at one point, or Spielberg did and then this and he pulled in the other one to help him out.

Paul: 00:13:51

Was it.

Darren: 00:13:52

rg? Did he just come off like: 1943

Paul: 00:13:55

Quite possibly, yeah.

Darren: 00:13:56

And that bombed so Then maybe Lucas was like, hey, come do this. I've got you back.

Paul: 00:14:00

Because he did a bit that with Francis Ford saying, go and do the Godfather. Because he just had. Oh, he just lost a lot of money on his THX1 that Francis and. Yeah, they were all kind of in it. In it together. Yeah, a little bit.

Darren: 00:14:11

And I think Coppola just took the Godfather for the money. Didn't we say that?

Paul: 00:14:14

Yeah, that's why he took it.

Darren: 00:14:16

Yeah.

Marc: 00:14:16

Did anyone notice the perfect logo transition into real mountains from the. The Paramount logo? Yeah, it was like, nice. That was a bit like when. And Star wars. The fanfare.

Paul: 00:14:24

Yeah, yeah, it's the same.

Marc: 00:14:25

They made the music stem key. So it just goes straight in. This was a visual transition. Straight in. It's very good.

Darren: 00:14:29

I love it when they do that. They did it with the original Charlie Angels movie.

I can't remember what the logo is, but then the camera goes through the logo into the sky and then you go onto the plane where Charlie's Angels.

Paul: 00:14:39

Oh, that's right. And they all jump out. Yeah.

Darren: 00:14:41

And I was like, okay, that was cool. That was a good opening. It's all downhill from there.

Marc: 00:14:44

So I've got a question. Did anyone else notice, you know, when he come the opening scene when he's coming out and he's running towards the plane and he's being chased.

Paul: 00:14:51

Yeah.

Marc: 00:14:51

And he's like, start the engine.

Darren: 00:14:52

Yeah.

Marc: 00:14:53

Did anyone notice that engine when it fails the first time, makes a very Star wars kind of sound.

Darren: 00:14:57

Yeah.

Paul: 00:14:57

Yeah, that's because Ben Burr, who does all the Star wars sounds, was probably linked into this because Skywalker sound probably did the sound.

Marc: 00:15:04

Yeah, there we go.

Paul: 00:15:05

Linked to this because old George's company's ilm, Industrial Light and Magic did all the effects for it. Obviously it wasn't computer graphics back then. It was all optical and matte paintings and models and things. But yeah, his company oversaw a bunch.

Darren: 00:15:19

Of in jokes because this is where the Wilhelm Scream is used as well, isn't it, you guys?

Marc: 00:15:23

You know? Yeah.

Darren: 00:15:25

How does he know about it but you don't.

Marc: 00:15:26

I'm sure you've mentioned it on here before.

Darren: 00:15:27

Like, the Wilhelm Scream is just like. Oh.

Paul: 00:15:30

Oh, yes.

Marc: 00:15:32

When you hear it. Oh, yeah, I've heard that loads of times.

Paul: 00:15:34

Yeah. You have mentioned this before, but I heard, like you say, little bits of.

Marc: 00:15:38

Star wars spaceship kind of noise.

Paul: 00:15:40

Yeah. But I think it's. Yeah. Ben Burt was very much on the sound on this one, I think as well.

Marc: 00:15:45

That's what. Because I saw the George Lucas And Spielberg. There's going to be other links here.

Paul: 00:15:49

See? A long time since you've seen this movie. I can't compute that because this is like a comfort movie for me. This is a nostalgia revisit job.

Marc: 00:15:56

This is probably the third time I've watched it all the way through in my life. Wow.

Paul: 00:16:00

Okay. I am a nerd.

Marc: 00:16:02

You know that.

Darren: 00:16:02

But also Indy in the first one to Temple of Doom. The follow on to this is actually a prequel. So it goes back.

And his whole thing, he seeks fortune and glory, that's what he wants, and yet he never finds it says more important things.

Marc: 00:16:15

Good lessons. Good lessons. Yeah, I know.

Darren: 00:16:17

Did you guys pick up on the age difference?

Marc: 00:16:18

No. I didn't think Han Solo was that old in this.

Darren: 00:16:21

I have never picked up on this as much as I've just picked up on it. So it looks like what happened is he's pissed off Marion's dad because he had a relationship with Marion.

Marc: 00:16:32

Yes. No, I did wonder because I knew there's an age gap. You're thinking she's pissed off. How young was she?

Darren: 00:16:37

She was 15.

Marc: 00:16:38

How do we know this?

Darren: 00:16:39

It's the law. It's Indiana Jones law. And he would have been mid-20s, probably 26, I think.

Paul: 00:16:45

I've watched the TV series as well, where you see him growing up. And by the end of the TV series, he's just about going to college in Princeton and stuff with Abner Ravenwood. So that makes sense.

He's about his early 20s, though.

Darren: 00:16:56

Don't know what happened.

Paul: 00:16:57

No.

Darren: 00:16:57

Like, she's like, I was a child and he was like, you knew what you were doing. It's like, this is a court testimony you could read out.

Paul: 00:17:05

But don't forget this is set in the 30s or whatever, or the 20s in that case. So it's probably not what we're thinking it was.

Darren: 00:17:11

What's interesting is I had less of an issue with it, with. With this, and I don't know why.

Paul: 00:17:15

Maybe it's because it was the 20s and maybe they just kissed or something.

Darren: 00:17:18

And it wasn't also Marion's badass.

Paul: 00:17:20

Yeah, there is that.

Darren: 00:17:21

Like. And I love this representation of women as well. And you don't see this that often. I forget, like, you know, we obviously grew up in the same era.

And one of the reasons I think I regard myself as a feminist and like strong women is because of Ripley and Sarah Connor.

Marc: 00:17:35

And movies have got a lot to say for that.

Darren: 00:17:38

Yeah. And, you know, it's All About Eve as well, which was phenomenal.

Paul: 00:17:41

And Marion's an interesting one because she is a tough, strong character, and yet she also ends up being the damsel in distress as well. But she's.

Darren: 00:17:48

Yeah, but even then, she's still tough.

Paul: 00:17:50

With it, if that makes sense.

Darren: 00:17:51

There's a scene where she should seduce the Nazi or the French guy.

Paul: 00:17:55

That's a good.

Darren: 00:17:55

And use her womanly wiles, but she just doesn't understand how to do that, so she just gets hammered.

Paul: 00:18:01

She's.

Darren: 00:18:01

I've got a knife and a bottle of whiskey. This is what I'll do. Yeah. Well, that was great. And she is badass. And she. And it's interesting because I remember I was watching with.

I think it must be my wife. I was watching Thor 3 with her.

Paul: 00:18:13

The Ragnarok one.

Darren: 00:18:14

Yeah. And when Tessa Thompson. Is her name coming? Valkyrie.

Paul: 00:18:18

Valkyrie, yeah.

Darren: 00:18:19

When she comes off the ship with a bottle of whiskey drunk and then falls off hammered and then gets up and she's got all these guns. I can remember her saying, you know, well, I haven't seen a woman like this on film for, like, ages. And it's badass.

And Indiana Jones is good in this. It reminds you of Mad Max and Furiosa a bit because Indy's a really good person finding, you know, artifacts. Marion is chaos incarnate.

Like in the time it's taken Indy to try and fight one guy, she's machine gunned down about 10 Nazis. Her kill count is significantly higher than Indiana Jones is in this.

Paul: 00:18:57

On that side of it, you've got that. But then on the other side of it, she gets stuck in the cockpit. So that's where she's kind of the damsel in distress because.

Oh, no, it's heading towards to get blown up.

Marc: 00:19:06

Then she's tied to that post in the tent.

Paul: 00:19:08

Yeah.

Marc: 00:19:08

So weather, wedding dress, really weird.

Paul: 00:19:10

Yes. But then, like Darren said, all right, she's stuck in the cockpit. So she is the damsel in distress.

She is heading into danger, but at the same time she's in the cockpit, she's also blowing up all of that.

Darren: 00:19:20

It's a little bit interesting is I was thinking about the opening scene and how similar it was to romance in the Stone. And it almost feels like the opening scene is like Indiana Jones's daydream.

Like he's escaped to his happy place because teaching is hell and he's well known from experience. Exactly. But then if you jump to, is it Jewel of the Nile, which is a Romance in the Stone sequel? Joan Wilder is in a plane shooting everything.

Paul: 00:19:45

That's right. Isn't that her writing a story again, though? Yeah, that is her kind of doing it.

Darren: 00:19:51

No, that's later on in the film. Yeah. And romantic, isn't it?

Paul: 00:19:55

Yeah.

Darren: 00:19:55

Who produced it? Was it swell work?

Paul: 00:19:57

Was it someone. No, I don't think. I think it was very interesting.

Darren: 00:20:01

All kind of inspired. And also, this is another thing. You go back far enough, go back to, like, Buster Keaton.

There's five, six, seven different shots in this movie which are shot for shot from a Buster Keaton movie. Like, tons of them. That's not a bad thing for filmmakers to do. You see something, oh, that looks fun. I'm gonna give it a go.

And you put your own personality on it, your own spin on it. It's like, same with music. It's just like. How are you gonna personalize it?

You know, It's Buster Keaton running away from, like, huge rolling boulders and stuff. It's. Yeah, there's a lot. Which is why film history is important for filmmakers.

Marc: 00:20:32

It seemed to me, like. Is it Belloc? Belloc was kind of. They call him Belush. Belloc works as a good Kevin. He's almost his nemesis because he's basically indie without.

Without a conscience. But they're both obsessed with history and they both want the same object. But Belloc is willing to sell his soul to get them.

Darren: 00:20:48

What? Why? Really?

Marc: 00:20:49

That makes him more interesting as a bad guy. I think what.

Darren: 00:20:52

What I also really like is. I think it really works when your hero and villain are two sides of the same coin. I think Joker and Batman. Have you perfected that?

I think Black Panther does that very, very well. I think. Have you seen the Untouchables?

Paul: 00:21:05

Not for a while, but, yeah.

Darren: 00:21:06

Touch or even he as well is that you've got two groups of people. You've got the bad guy, the robbers and the cops. But everyone's got their kind of opposite counterpart.

It's kind of like when the X Men in the Animated Series go fight someone, everyone pairs off. Like Wolverine will pair off against what's his name.

Paul: 00:21:21

Yeah.

Darren: 00:21:22

And then Rogue. Go for her. It's always the same people they're fighting. It's like, you again. This time I'm going to win. Are you, though? Just mix up the order.

Paul: 00:21:29

Sherlock and Moriarty, Yeah. They're both incredibly clever, but he's an evil genius and he's solved the crime.

Darren: 00:21:35

I love it. It's almost like tarot cards and, like the reverse tower cards. But it's also like, you know, our personalities and our shadow.

And Belloq even has the Line, I am a shadowy reflection of you. It would take just a nudge to make you like me. I'm like, that's phenomenal. And I love that.

That almost gives me chills because I think it's great writing. But also we're all just. We have to be humble.

We're only just a couple of nudges away as we're seeing worldwide, particularly in the west right now, people becoming the worst versions of the person they could have been.

Paul: 00:22:05

You know, they're on their own villain arc, as they would say.

Darren: 00:22:08

Oh, it's like Brooklyn nine. Nine. Because isn't it? Who's. Who is, ah. What's the main guy in Brooklyn called? Jake. Is it Jake? Jake. Who's the.

Paul: 00:22:18

His nemesis?

Darren: 00:22:18

Who's his nemesis?

Paul: 00:22:19

Can't remember now.

Darren: 00:22:20

I can't remember his name. But he's a criminal, right?

Marc: 00:22:22

Yeah.

Darren: 00:22:22

And I saw this great.

Paul: 00:22:23

Is it Craig Robinson from the Office? Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:22:25

I saw this great film Theory where it's like when Jake was a kid, he saw Die Hard. It was like, cool, I want to be a cop. Whereas the other guy saw like Ocean's 13 or Ocean's 12. I was like, cool, I'm going to be a criminal.

And they're both movie obsessed and have.

Marc: 00:22:38

Defined the personality around both seen Die Hard and would probably be a criminal.

Darren: 00:22:42

Yeah, yeah. They took different lessons from that movie. Hans Group was really cool. He almost got away from it. Yeah, that was cool.

Marc: 00:22:49

Was there a bit of character development from Indy at the end, you know? Oh, yeah, don't. When he's like, don't look. I felt like he was being very reserved.

Like he'd learned, like at the beginning of the film, he would have just. I don't care. I'm going for it.

Paul: 00:22:59

Yeah.

Marc: 00:22:59

There's this time he's like, no, just wait, just wait. Just hold it out, wait it out and everything will be fine. Whereas that was the first time I'd seen him do that. A bit reserved and hold back.

Paul: 00:23:06

I think that's a theme throughout most of the Indiana Jones films where he does have that learning point where either he finds a relationship that he's lost or he learns to let go or to hold back or to.

Darren: 00:23:17

It is. All of them are that example of. It's not the destination, it's a journey.

Like, and when you've got a really good character, you just want to go on the journey with them and you want to go in different journeys and see what happens. You don't really care about the ending.

Paul: 00:23:30

I always feel like The Joss Whedon stuff.

I know we always go on about Joss Whedon, but it's very much like that with his characters in his shows, where some shows are better than others in terms of maybe what's happening in the story of the week. Because you love the characters so much, you just want to see what happens on the journey with them.

And I think that's what the strong writing is, isn't it? Where you've got. Actually, it doesn't really matter what the scenario is. I just want to see how it pans out with these characters.

And it's got great supporting cast. You've got Salah. There is larger than life. You've got Marcus Brody, who's this kind of other very distinct character, and obviously Marion and.

And it's very much an ensemble, even though Indy's at the heart of it all.

Marc: 00:24:10

Was it kind of like a joke at the end that after everything and he goes through the arc, doesn't end up in a museum, it gets, like, boxed up and forgotten by bureaucracy.

Darren: 00:24:17

Top.

Paul: 00:24:17

Top people. Top people.

Darren: 00:24:19

I think it's just the nature of it.

Marc: 00:24:21

And it's quite funny that it.

Darren: 00:24:22

Is it really, because. Well, are we seeing that now? It feels like we. If. I have no clue what's going on. By the way, have aliens been proven to be existent?

Marc: 00:24:31

More files have come out, but who knows?

Paul: 00:24:33

Yeah, this is the bit that gets me. So files have come out that pretty much says that there's aliens and there's been UFOs and there's all this stuff,.

Darren: 00:24:40

And the world just continues.

Paul: 00:24:42

And I. Me and my mate text about this all the time because I've been re. Watching the X Files not so long ago, and everything was like, I wonder if.

And then finally they come out and say, yeah, yeah, pretty much were. And everyone just went, ah, all right. And that's it.

Marc: 00:24:55

Because most people are known. Just like, it's obvious.

Paul: 00:24:57

I know.

Marc: 00:24:58

Pretty naive to think we're on this massive galaxy where the only life form and on any planet.

Paul: 00:25:01

But I still think after all of that in the 90s of us going, is that. Isn't there? What are they covering up? And they're like, yeah, yeah, we were covering up this stuff. We all went, oh, all right.

Marc: 00:25:09

I think it just means that lots of aliens have come to visit and they've gone. Now we'll leave this planet. Looks a bit shit, I understand. Looks a mess.

Paul: 00:25:16

They might be listening to our part. If you're listening to our podcast from another planet or galaxy, give us A comment. Don't forget to email us a rating and review. Yeah, there you go.

Darren: 00:25:25

So I think you may have missed is the screenplay was by Lawrence Kasdan.

Paul: 00:25:28

What writer of Solo. Your favorite film from last week, Empire. Empire the Jedi. I think he was on that.

Darren: 00:25:35

And I also think it was a bit more New Hopey.

But when he's running, when Indy's running and goes into the tent and suddenly jumps into Marion and she looks up, that felt like Luke coming across Leia, I think, at the same kind of musical cues to a certain extent. And it kind of played out similarly.

Paul: 00:25:50

Oh, yeah, we have mentioned that. John Williams obviously all over the score, so. John Williams of trademark everything. That's awesome.

Darren: 00:25:56

It's also very. Pirates that Caribbean. I think Pirates of the Caribbean owns this movie. A lot of debt. I mean, I mean, even.

Especially because he's got Jack Sparrow vibes anyway, but he's got Jack Sparrow vibes. But Indy doesn't know he's going to get away with it. Like, he's always a little bit shocked when it goes his way, I think.

But then particularly that bit where he's running away and he's like, start the plane. Like, that's what, one of the later pirate movies.

Paul: 00:26:20

Yeah. It's the second one, isn't it? Dead Manchester. And he's on the beach and he's like running away.

Darren: 00:26:25

I love that. Yeah.

Paul: 00:26:25

Maybe it's with them moments when they repeat in another film, you go, yeah, it works so well. Because it works well.

Marc: 00:26:31

It's also a compliment. Huge compliment.

Paul: 00:26:33

Yeah.

Darren: 00:26:33

Firstly, he's class at the beginning. It's like 85% women. I'm not entirely sure there's women that were interested.

Marc: 00:26:38

Oh, there was that woman with her I love you written on her eyelids, slow blinking.

Paul: 00:26:42

The biggest question I probably should have wrote in my notes. Darren.

Darren: 00:26:45

Yes.

Paul: 00:26:46

Has that ever happened?

Darren: 00:26:47

No.

Paul: 00:26:48

Okay.

Darren: 00:26:49

I think we've said before with another movie that you, you know, you. You get people who get crushes on you, but I think that's normal. Like, you're a musician, you've both been on stage.

You'll get people who get crushes on you.

Paul: 00:26:58

You would think.

Marc: 00:27:01

No comment.

Darren: 00:27:02

But it's also a really natural part of, like a young person's development, like that you're. They're kind of allowed to get crushes.

Marc: 00:27:08

It's like an infatuation.

Paul: 00:27:09

Almost exactly like the boy band sort of thing, almost.

Darren: 00:27:11

Yeah. And it's supposed to be safe. It's supposed to be a nice psychologically safe way to develop. Yeah.

Marc: 00:27:17

Completely.

Darren: 00:27:17

Well, it shouldn't.

Marc: 00:27:18

It should be, anyway.

Darren: 00:27:19

Yeah, exactly. That's the point. And, you know, people in positions of power, people who are older.

Marc: 00:27:24

All these historical cases coming out now. All different industries. Anyway, should we move on? Have you ever talked about this or.

Darren: 00:27:31

No? Yeah, we always reference it. So we'll be like, oh, like that scene in Radius of Lost Ark. But I haven't done.

But I think after doing this, I think I'm going to embed it in next year because there's so many. I think it is timeless to a certain extent, so it feels like cinema history, even though it's kind of modern. Does that make sense?

Marc: 00:27:49

Yes. Standards and people. Obviously, it's well copied, so that's what kind of makes it time.

Darren: 00:27:54

And it's just scenes you can break down. So give me an example. I'll give you an example of what I mean. And it's one. It's why Solo didn't work and why Solo.

I watched twice and I've still forgotten it. It's because one scene didn't lead to another and one action didn't lead to another. This is. Reminds me, the end of Return of Jedi. Which does it?

Well, when it's like, good thing, bad thing, good thing, bad thing. Return of Jedi is like, bad thing, bad thing, bad thing, bad thing.

Paul: 00:28:14

Yeah.

Darren: 00:28:15

Gradually it kind of gets to be good. So that can be real simple. And it's also.

That's the south park guys talk about this, about how on your script you want to have like, but and therefore not. And then this happens. And then this happens. It's more like, then this happens, but this happens. Therefore, this happens.

You can do this with this movie all the way through.

Paul: 00:28:34

And it's that cliffhanger style of it, isn't it? Like, oh, no, how's he going to get out of this bit? Like, you could probably chunk this up in little cereals. Which is the idea.

Darren: 00:28:42

Isn't it even, like, escaping? So he's like. He replaces the idol with some gold and he thinks he's gotten away with it.

Paul: 00:28:48

But no, it's sand, isn't it?

Darren: 00:28:50

Sand?

Paul: 00:28:50

Yeah.

Darren: 00:28:50

So. But the idol starts dropping and something's. It's triggered a trap. Therefore, a boulder starts rolling towards him.

Indy runs, but his team betray him. And he's like, throw me the whip. Therefore, he has to throw him the whip. But the guy keeps it and kind of runs off.

Therefore, Indy has to jump over and kind of scrabble, but he's left his hat behind or his whip or whatever. Therefore, he has to reach back and get it. Then he runs outside. But Belloq and his men have arrived and they've captured him.

Therefore he's gonna have to like do whatever. But he managed to break away and runs towards the plane.

Paul: 00:29:27

But can he make the plane?

Darren: 00:29:28

But can he make the plane? So he jumps into the water and swims and therefore getting in the plane to get away.

But there's then a snake in the plane and it's just like you're continuing.

Paul: 00:29:37

Just my pet stake. Reggie.

Darren: 00:29:39

Like a really good film should make you get. Is it. It's stress. Cortisol is. Isn't it?

Paul: 00:29:44

Like what's going to happen.

Marc: 00:29:45

It wants you to anxiety as well.

Darren: 00:29:46

You to have like cortisol flooding your body. You want to be. Feel stressed edge of your seat. Yes. And you. The reason it works is if it's side by side with empathy.

So you've got high levels of empathy for like a character. Otherwise why would you feel stress? You know, you've got to kind of care about the character.

Paul: 00:30:02

And I think that's where modern movies go wrong though. I throw a lot of action in with a character that we don't really know, we don't really care about.

Marc: 00:30:08

No connection to.

Paul: 00:30:09

And you know, Indy, we seem to connect with him a lot quicker.

Marc: 00:30:13

Well straight away, you see he's both sides of his. What he does.

Darren: 00:30:16

Yeah.

Marc: 00:30:16

That gives you a good view. Overview of the character.

Darren: 00:30:19

Straight away, that opening it is. We don't see his face for ages.

Marc: 00:30:22

Yeah. There's a scene where it comes sort of out of the shadow there. I always forget how answer is.

Paul: 00:30:27

And of course, it's in the hands of the tension masterclass who we've done a few films of now. Mr. Spielberg, who knows his tension building from. Let's just take Jaws as an example.

Darren: 00:30:37

Of a masterclass, which is all Hitchcock can also. We think Marion dies. And that's also another thing. There's no shitty dialogue. I can Han Solo.

Like anyone else would pause and be like, oh, no, she's in one of these baskets.

Paul: 00:30:52

Yes.

Darren: 00:30:53

There was none of that. It was just close up of his eyes looking like, oh, shit. We're doing all the thinking like, oh my God, she's in one of these baskets.

Oh my God, what's he gonna do? Like, there's tons of them. It really draws you in. There's no.

Marc: 00:31:03

No, everything's like being done for us.

Darren: 00:31:05

Yes.

Paul: 00:31:06

And this is the most storyboarded film of Spielberg's. Apparently he had his storyboard. And I've got a Book with some of it in.

And all that stuff you just said about the basket is all storyboarded, like eyes basket.

Darren: 00:31:17

He was determined not to go over budget because it would be his friend George, who's a producer. So. Yeah, you're over the producer. Now, what I was gonna say, we think Marion's died and he's in a country where, you know, we think there's.

What's he going to go to the authorities or whatever. So he goes to a bar and gets a bottle of whiskey and. And he's sad. He's freaking heartbroken.

And this is a girl he hasn't seen for maybe, what, 10 years or so. And he looks genuinely heartbroken. But that's another example of. But therefore, he thinks Marion's died. Therefore he goes and gets a drink.

But Bella asks him to come into the bar and he's surrounded by Nazis. But Indy's now got a death wish, pulls a gun and wants to go to God. Go see God at the same time. But all these kids run in and save him.

It's like, but therefore. But just continuous. Every single scene leads on to the next. At one point, I thought it was in real time because it's all just.

We're just following them.

Marc: 00:32:08

Yeah. It's rapid.

Darren: 00:32:09

I don't think there's more than one night, is there?

Marc: 00:32:12

It's a short period of time. Yeah, definitely.

Darren: 00:32:14

It feels like it happens over a couple of days.

Marc: 00:32:16

That thing you reminds me of like, but therefore reminds me of those diagrams of, like, is it. Is it hot or cold? Cold, yes. Is it warm? Is it. Is it dry? Or is it round or square? Go this way. You follow the path. There's always a question.

Yours get to just like them adventure books. Yeah.

Paul: 00:32:30

Which, again, it's based off.

Marc: 00:32:31

Sounds very formulaic, but it works.

Paul: 00:32:33

Yeah.

Darren: 00:32:34

One other thing I just thought was really, really well done. The dates thing with the monkey and the monkey was actually kind of cute. I don't know what it is with that. Those types of monkeys and Americans.

This feels like it was the start of it.

Paul: 00:32:43

The Nazi monkey.

Darren: 00:32:44

Yeah, the bad monkey. Spank that monkey. But, yeah, that was. Again, it was tension. Like, we see the guy poison the dates.

So that's what Hitchcock would call the bomb under the table theory, which is, if there's a bomb under the table and the audience know it's there, it's tension. If it goes off and we didn't know it's there, it's a surprise. So that's, again, just basic Hitchcock. This is how you build Tension.

We've poisoned the dates. India's now pick one up. He's about to eat it. He's throwing it in the air. Oh my God, he's gonna eat it.

Paul: 00:33:11

Boom, boom. Salah's hand.

Darren: 00:33:13

Bad dates.

Paul: 00:33:13

Yeah.

Darren: 00:33:14

Sweet. And again, no explanation. No, like, oh, I saw the monkey had eaten him and I think he's like, died. It was just like.

Marc: 00:33:21

It's in inferred.

Darren: 00:33:22

Yeah.

Paul: 00:33:22

Just look and don't you have the shot of the fan and the monkey sort of there? So it's all just visual.

Marc: 00:33:26

What is wrong with making the audience do a bit of work?

Paul: 00:33:28

Yeah, I don't understand because Netflix says that they're not watching it properly. They're on the phone. So therefore you have to spell it out and go, oh, no, that monkey has had a bad day.

Darren: 00:33:38

If you really love this film, just Google like Raiders of Lost Ark analysis. You'll find some really good analytical videos in terms of.

So exposition is when they're telling you stuff that your audience needs to know, which you know, it can be done clunkily. The most exhibition we have is when he's talking to the army recruitment like this. The intelligence guys. That scene is phenomenal. It's.

I think part of it is just 92nd one take. And it's just. It's like theater. They're all just moving. So it's like All About Eve. It's all just choreographed with people.

And then the camera's moving. And there'll be like four camera setups just as the camera reframes depending on who's talking.

Like we were talking about with the Godfather as well as who's got power. So the army guys sit down and then like Indy standing up. Marcus has kind of got his back and supporting him and. And they're.

They're talking over each other at parts because they're getting excited. And the army guys have this little smirk, are like, this is ridiculous. It's not really the arc, you know, it's like phenomenal. Did you know the.

There's a director called Steven Soderbergh who has done I like out of Sight, but no one's ever seen it. Videotape and lies or whatever. Sex, lighting, videotapes, Ocean's Twelve. Did he do Magic Mike?

Paul: 00:34:42

Yeah, I think he may have done.

Darren: 00:34:43

Yeah, like a really good director, but kind of indie. But then he has some big hits. He's a film fan really, and he gets re editing stuff.

Like he did a re edit of like Heaven's Gate, I think they called the Butcher's Cut or something like that. But he's also taken Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Ark. He's desaturated it and made it black and white. You can go to his website and watch this.

It looks beautiful in black and white. And then he took off all the dialogue and the music and put on music from Trent Rezna.

Marc: 00:35:11

Very industrial.

Darren: 00:35:12

And he was like, you can now watch this movie because of the visual storytelling, and it makes perfect sense.

Marc: 00:35:17

Wow.

Paul: 00:35:17

That just shows you.

Darren: 00:35:18

We'll have to put that in the show notes. I'll have to dig it out.

Paul: 00:35:21

I like the fact, though. There's the payoff. So you've got the explanation scene, but then everything that they're telling you in that scene is paid off later. So.

Oh, the staff of Ra. And you put the crystal in and you put it in the throne room, and it points to. To the thing.

And then later on when he's doing it, you're like, this is the thing.

Darren: 00:35:35

Even down to, like, Marion's introduction is her out drinking a ton of, like, Nepalese, kind of. So later on in the film, when she's gonna out drink Belloc, we're just like, she's got this.

Paul: 00:35:47

Yeah. There's no chance he's gonna.

Darren: 00:35:49

It's like. That's like a Chekhov's gun, isn't it? That's the whole, like. That's the Shaun of the Dead thing as well.

If you show a rifle in the first act, you've got to have it pay off later on. And so they do that with Shaun. They're dead. But they did it with Marion there.

The other thing to say with all these Indiana Jones movies is the thing they're going after is just called a McGuffin, which I think comes from Hitchcock, but I can't remember why I think that. And a McGuffin is just a thing people want. Doesn't matter. Same in Pulp Fiction, isn't it? What's in shape? It doesn't matter.

It's just the thing people want. Small tease. Falcon is what dreams are made of.

Marc: 00:36:19

Cool. Okay, thank you, gentlemen. That takes us perfectly into Paul's fantastic facts of the day.

Paul: 00:36:26

I'm going to whittle through some of these because some of them very well known, some of them may not be. Let's do this. So the tagline was Indiana Jones, the new hero from the creators of Jaws and Star Wars.

The famous scene in which Indy shoots the swordsman guy was not in the original script. This is fairly well known, but I'm throwing it in Anyway, Harrison Ford was supposed to use his whip to get the sword out of the attacker's hand.

And there was a whole choreographed thing, but he had food poisoning because him and the rest of the crew had all got in it. So after several unsuccessful tries, Ford suggested to shoot in the sucker and Spielberg immediately took him up on the idea.

And it's successfully filmed. And let's face it, probably even better.

Marc: 00:36:59

Than it's part of the character in it.

Paul: 00:37:01

The out of control airplane actually ran over Harrison Ford's knee, tearing a ligament in his left leg. What is it with him and film sets? He's either hurt his back or the Millennium Falcons shuts on his.

Darren: 00:37:12

He does have a kind of Jackie Chan feel about him.

He does all these stunts and like his character goes through all these escapades, but you feel like it hurts even just jumping over the pit and being like, oh, I'm like, I felt that in my chest.

Paul: 00:37:25

Yeah, he does. Anyway, luckily for him, the heat had turned the rubber tires soft, so it didn't crush the bone. Oh, God.

Rather than submit to Tunisian healthcare, Ford had his knee wrapped on ice and carried. Wrapped in ice and carried on.

Marc: 00:37:38

Wow.

Darren: 00:37:38

There's a bit where he gets hit by the big bald topless guy and he just kind of like shudders and it just sits down.

Paul: 00:37:46

It's like that moment.

Darren: 00:37:47

Yeah.

Paul: 00:37:48

So it was in Hawaii where he was joined with Steven Spielberg, where he came up with the idea for the film. They were discussing things and that's when he said, yeah, let's not do Bond got better idea.

And then after the trip, they got together and developed the script with Lawrence Kasna. This is an interesting one.

So when Brody first goes into Indy's house to discuss the mission and everything, Indy's kind of dressed in the way with like a dressing gown and stuff. That's because originally he was going to be entertaining a young. A young woman in his bedroom.

Darren: 00:38:15

No.

Paul: 00:38:15

Yeah. The script originally planned to show her before moving to the next scene to give India more worldly Persona like James Bond.

However, her appearance was cut. Steven Spielberg thought that the playboy thing did not fit Indy's character.

Darren: 00:38:29

It doesn't. It needs to be seclus sexless. Like a priest or something. Yeah, not that a priest is seclus sexless.

Paul: 00:38:36

That's that one. During the filming, like I said before, the cast and crew all got sick, apart from director Steven Spielberg.

And it's thought that he avoided illness by. And only the food he brought with him, which was a lot of cans of SpaghettiOs.

Darren: 00:38:49

Oh.

Paul: 00:38:49

So there you go. Spielberg has said that he considers this the most perfect, perfect film of the series. And he never wanted to modify or change anything about it.

Marc: 00:38:57

Right.

Darren: 00:38:58

So he directed it and he's like, this is the perfect movie of the.

Paul: 00:39:02

Indies, I think he means.

Marc: 00:39:03

But you hear a lot of directors going, we run out of time. Or I was looking back, I wish I'd done this, I wish I'd not done that.

Paul: 00:39:07

Or if you, George Lucas, you just go and change it and, you know, excite some fans off other ones.

Darren: 00:39:12

Wouldn't that be annoying if they went back and remade it so that he. Indy didn't shoot first on this?

Paul: 00:39:18

Well, don't give Disney ideas know what they're like. Most of the body blow sounds were created by hitting a pile of leather jackets with a baseball bat. So that's how they get the body blows, the line.

d. Of course it was. This was: 1981

Darren: 00:39:39

That's what that scene is also where I fell in love with Marion a little bit, where he's like, oh, it hurts. She said, why doesn't it hurt? He's like, here. It's like such a little boy here. It's like my lips are here, for God's sake.

Paul: 00:39:50

Where does it not hurt?

Darren: 00:39:51

Yeah, yeah. Then he falls asleep.

Paul: 00:39:52

This bit's not too bad.

Marc: 00:39:53

Yeah.

Paul: 00:39:54

To achieve the sound of thousands of snakes, Slytherin, Ben Burtt stuck his fingers into a cheese casserole. This was augmented by applying wet sponges to the grip tape on a skateboard. So sometimes what you even think of that. All right.

Despite having the dream team of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg behind the film, it was initially turned down by every studio in Hollywood. Amazing. Only after much persuasion did Paramount agree to do it.

Darren: 00:40:20

It's a joke which I probably mentioned on multiple episodes, but there's a writer called William Goldman who wrote like Princess Bride and Stepford Wives, Butcher Cassidy and Sun. That's kid Oscar winning writer. And his whole thing is nobody knows anything. Nobody knows what's going to be a hit.

Nobody knew much of the penguins was going to be huge or some dog millionaire never did, never almost went straight to tv. Nobody knows what's going to be successful.

Paul: 00:40:43

Well, apparently I saw this literally on TikTok the other day. Alfred Molina, he was obviously the guy at the start who was with him on the first quest.

He got invited over to have lunch with Harrison Ford and Spielberg. One of the days. And he said they were both sat there and Spielberg was going like what have we got here? Is this gonna be all right?

And he was like it was mind blowing for him that people at that level.

Marc: 00:41:05

Like I think he said it was Lucas self doubt.

Paul: 00:41:07

Yeah. Still had no idea how it was gonna do. Okay.

Shooting in Tunisia proved to be so stressful and so hot that Spielberg managed to compress a six week shoot into four and a half weeks. And that helped the production complete principal photography 12 days ahead of schedule.

Darren: 00:41:23

Nice.

Paul: 00:41:23

Steven Spielberg originally wanted Danny DeVito to play Salah and DeVito was set for the role. But then he had to drop out due to conflicts with taxi TV show.

DeVito obviously later appeared as a second banana as it's said in this to Michael Douglas in the this is from IMDb Facts. Darren DeVillo later appeared as a second banana to Michael Douglas in the Raiders tribute and derivative romance in the Stone.

Darren: 00:41:50

Don't just shut their mouths like they're. They're different types of movies.

Marc: 00:41:55

I know they're both really carry weight.

Darren: 00:41:58

That would be because it's got a female lead. Just vomit all over the Internet for me.

Paul: 00:42:03

Freeze frame injuring you. In the well of Souls scene you can notice a golden pillar with a tiny engraving of R2D2 and C3P from the Star wars films.

They were also on the wall behind Indy when they first approached the Ark. So these are the little Easter eggs as they call them.

And the spirit effects at the climax were achieved by shooting mannequins underwater in slow motion through fuzzy lenses to achieve that kind of ethereal quality. Because don't forget back then there was no cgi. The opening sequence with Alfred Molina, that was his first credited on screen role.

And his first scene on his first day of filming involved being covered with the tarantulas. And apparently they did not move until a female tarantula was introduced. And that's when they obviously all crawled all over him.

Darren: 00:42:48

Wow.

Marc: 00:42:49

Yeah.

Paul: 00:42:49

That's an interesting first day at work.

Marc: 00:42:51

That's a good story. Not many people can beat that. How was your first day, dear?

Paul: 00:42:55

Well, it was a little stressful. There you go. So facts. But there are lots more, lots more documentaries. It's a whole treasure trove of fun.

Marc: 00:43:02

It's a classic and it's old. Thank you very much, Paul. That takes us into hate it or rate it. So what did we think? I'll go first because it was my choice.

Yeah, I enjoyed this film. It was obviously long time since I've seen it and I remember liking it. Back in the day does. It's not like one of my.

It's not one of my favorite films, but it's a good, solid, classic swashbuckling action adventure movie. I didn't. Their relationship. I didn't buy it. What? Because when you first see them, she's punching him, tell him to get out and go away.

Never see him again. And then the next one, like two scenes later, they're laughing and joking like nothing's happened. Like. Like that. Whatever. Whatever.

Well, between them, it was just history.

Paul: 00:43:36

Classic India.

Marc: 00:43:37

Marion. Oh, that. It just kind of like diminished their relationship.

Like, it would have taken a lot longer to get back on track surely than like, I don't know, one night.

Paul: 00:43:45

How they roll. Mark.

Marc: 00:43:46

I didn't. Relationship there. Lost a bit of weight for me. Wasn't as believable because she just relented straight away. It was like.

How much did you say you hated him? I don't know what's in the bed. I didn't quite understand why.

You know, you talk about the scene where he pulls out his gun and then all his kids come in.

Darren: 00:43:58

Yeah.

Marc: 00:43:59

Ignoring all the guns.

Darren: 00:44:00

Yeah.

Marc: 00:44:00

I didn't. I was completely. I was like, what?

Darren: 00:44:02

Well, I think. I don't know. They're in the pool, aren't they?

Marc: 00:44:04

So in the restaurant.

Darren: 00:44:06

Yeah. But otherwise lots of guns in Nepal.

Marc: 00:44:08

Like, is that Indy pulls his guns out or everyone around. Everyone in the restaurant is one of Ballack's menu.

Realize they all got the guns out and then these kids just come from nowhere and just pull him out.

Darren: 00:44:16

I'm like, what street kids? They're hardened.

Paul: 00:44:19

Sal is looking for him.

Darren: 00:44:20

Yeah.

Paul: 00:44:21

And thought, oh, he must.

Darren: 00:44:22

Oh, yeah. They were sent in.

Paul: 00:44:23

So they sent him to get him.

Marc: 00:44:25

Right. Okay. I was just completely baffled by that. I don't understand.

Paul: 00:44:28

Next time children won't save you, Dr. Jones.

Darren: 00:44:31

There's no way Belloc's gonna. Would ever killed him. Like, he's having too much fun. It's like the Joker.

Marc: 00:44:35

Yeah. It's a game.

Darren: 00:44:36

Like he kept saying. It's like, you know, how am I going to find someone else who equals my intellect? You're not. So keep him. And you're clearly going to keep him alive.

Marc: 00:44:43

Yeah, but I mean, it's a classic character. It's well written. There's some really good scenes. And it's a strong story with a strong character. It isn't overcomplicated, which is.

Which I hate when they do that. It's old enough where, like you say, it lets us do the work to Watch it. So I really, I really enjoyed doing the work.

I don't like being spoon fed these days.

Paul: 00:44:59

That's good.

Marc: 00:45:00

So I'm gonna give it a 7.7 for me.

Darren: 00:45:03

That's fair.

Marc: 00:45:03

I'm gonna go to you Mr. Day.

Paul: 00:45:05

Okay. It's Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's Indiana Jones. It's Spielberg. 10. No, no, move on.

Marc: 00:45:12

Wow.

Paul: 00:45:13

I was like oh, should I give it a nine? But it's like no, it's right as a lost Arp. Come on. Like just give it a ten. Move along. Yeah, love it. Great.

Got the nostalgia, it's got with everything. You know he gets dragged by a truck, he's been on a submarine, shot the army, shot in the arm. Got romance, adventure, comedy, Harrison Ford.

I can't not give this.

I mean there's other Indiana Jones is that I'll score differently probably but this one as the initial out the gate classic that is Raiders, the Lost Ark. Yeah, I can't.

Marc: 00:45:42

You do have to suspend your disbelief a lot with certain films. Like yeah. Oh that's convenient.

Paul: 00:45:47

But that's why I love it because it doesn't take its to self too seriously. It's got elements of supernatural in. It's daft in places and at times it's just ridiculous.

Marc: 00:45:58

Yeah.

Paul: 00:45:59

Hollywood magic.

Marc: 00:46:00

The scene where he gets trapped in the pyramid, they cover the lid.

Paul: 00:46:04

The well of souls thing.

Marc: 00:46:05

How's he gonna get out there? Oh, there's a hole just through that wall there. We'll get out there like.

Paul: 00:46:08

But that's like the old cereals.

Marc: 00:46:10

Yeah, yeah. 10. Okay.

Paul: 00:46:12

I could waffle on for a few hours but I won't be overrun.

Marc: 00:46:15

Over to you, Mr. Horn.

Darren: 00:46:16

Yeah, I'm. I'm close to that. I think, I think I, I still stuns me that these like kid directors in the 70s and early 80s were making movies of that caliber.

Like with you know, Coppola and Scorsese and Palmer. It's almost supernatural to me that they had that level of understanding of how to put a scene together and how to block a scene and it's not.

I think you get better performances as well because you're allowing actors to exist in the scene and thinking about how every little thing joins and what they're doing from get to get to one place to another. It's, it's kind of.

It feels organic instead of just cutting every three seconds because then you're going to have a performance made up of nine different performances like edited together. And I don't think that always works. That's A.

That's like a dump truck editor where you just dump truck all the footage on their desk and they try and make a movie out of it. This is. This is much better craft. It's why storyboarding is important. So I do think it's a masterpiece. I've got all the nostalgia.

You know, obviously I love film because I grew up thinking I was like James Bond and Han Solo and Indiana Jones and we were always the heroes, you know, in these things. And he. That opening is just badass.

It doesn't mind me of Captain Jack Sparrow's opening where yeah, you think he's like the captain of the ship and he's absolutely badass, but he's actually on a dinghy that's sinking. That's a really nice twist. And this build up with Indy just being sexy as hell for like opening scene and then you realize he's not quite that cool.

And that's a nice way of doing it. It makes you like him more.

Paul: 00:47:47

I just love duality and stuff as well. Like Superman, Clark, Ken. Yeah, all that sort of stuff.

Darren: 00:47:53

And I do think it's like the gods of the silver screen and the gods of the cinema screen. I think Indiana Jones is up there with like almost mythic archetypes. It's a really, really strong character played perfectly. So I've got.

And everyone just acts their ass off. It's phenomenal. I've got. I. I am tempted by a 10. Except I'm just really familiar with this movie. So it didn't give me like goosebumps.

I think I would have enjoyed watching it with someone who hadn't seen it. Like a new girlfriend, you know, wherever she comes from. And also last time I saw Temple, I think I liked it more.

Paul: 00:48:27

I know that's conversation for Temple of.

Darren: 00:48:30

Doom is out of this world. It's like a James Bond movie. And like he's actually suppose you can.

Marc: 00:48:36

Do it differently because everyone. Most people the character by that was. Yeah, it was new.

Darren: 00:48:40

Absolutely. And he's cocky and you got short round and stuff.

So I think I'm going to go nine just because I've got a feeling Templar Doom will be this interesting. I think. I don't think it's necessarily as good a movie, but I think it's a roller coaster and a little bit more fun.

Paul: 00:48:56

I'm holding back what I want to say in contrast, in case we do Temple of Doom here one of these days.

Marc: 00:49:01

We will, we will.

Paul: 00:49:02

And I'm hoping we get to do Last Crusade as well because.

Darren: 00:49:04

And then no More I could be swayed by four.

Paul: 00:49:07

Five can go to hell.

Marc: 00:49:10

Don't tell the listeners that. They'll choose it for you. They shall request it.

Darren: 00:49:14

But I do also do want to revisit this in black and white now. I want to watch that soda bug version.

Paul: 00:49:18

That does sound cool.

Darren: 00:49:19

And there's so many nice bits.

Like, I mean, obviously I don't like this scarification of bad guys, you know, but the scarification is okay because it's on his hand and we see him do it and that's not what makes him evil. But that scene where he's putting together a coat hanger. Who the thinks of that? Who writes that? That's genius.

Paul: 00:49:36

One of the facts was they were gonna have like really stupid stuff with him. Like antennas coming out of him and like almost Inspector Gadget. But George Lucas, believe it or not, was the one who stepped in.

Said, nah, it's too far fetched. I think one of the designs or something.

Darren: 00:49:50

Right, Right.

Marc: 00:49:51

This is interesting. So that gives it. So I gave it 7.7.7. Darren gave it a 9.

Darren: 00:49:56

You always take shit on a movies mark. It's kind of a. You're the downer of the three, I think.

Marc: 00:50:01

Am I really? If we average these out, is that true? I don't think it is. I'll have you know.

Paul: 00:50:06

It's hard to remember.

Marc: 00:50:09

That's funny. So I give it 7.7. Darren 9. Paul 10. Which gives it 26.7. So it makes it number 8, top 10. Music 72. But what's interesting is just. Just below.

Back to the feature and run, Lilla, run nice. Directly below it. Romancing the Stone on exactly the same score.

Darren: 00:50:28

They're fun movies. Adventure is fun.

Marc: 00:50:31

So there you go.

Paul: 00:50:32

Amazing.

Marc: 00:50:33

And just below that, Top Gun. So it's.

Darren: 00:50:35

Yeah.

Paul: 00:50:35

Think of my company.

Marc: 00:50:36

Yeah.

Darren: 00:50:36

Top Gun sounds a bit harsh for Top Gun. Who didn't like Top Gun?

Paul: 00:50:39

Thinking about is probably yours.

Darren: 00:50:41

I love Top Gun.

Paul: 00:50:42

But you might not have on that day anyway.

Darren: 00:50:45

Yeah.

Marc: 00:50:46

So that's what we thought. That's where it lands on the Legend League. We'd love to know what your opinions on the movie.

Make, make contact, send us a message and we'll read them out on the show. So what would be about of our back catalog? What would be a good listen?

Darren: 00:50:57

Oh, Romance in the Stone.

Marc: 00:50:59

Definitely straight into that after this.

Darren: 00:51:01

I also think All About Eve just because it's a little bit more like theater. The blocking and the acting and stuff is his master class. It's worth looking at Godfather again just for. Just for the storytelling.

Yeah, just the good quality storytelling. Other than that, it's hard to remember everything.

Marc: 00:51:18

Two works.

Paul: 00:51:19

Top Gun, maybe Stretch. Just because that 80s nostalgia. Like Mavericky, sort of literally maverick character.

Marc: 00:51:27

Yeah, that works. Okay, thank you, gentlemen. That takes us nicely into part three, which is the listener lounge.

Okay, so in the listener lounge we have the lobby where we have your questions, your stories and your comments. Then we ask our question of the week and we finish by revealing next week's movie. In the lobby we had an email from James Mitchell.

He said, hello, gents. Love the podcast. I've been listening since Christmas.

Darren: 00:51:52

Thank you.

Marc: 00:51:52

When I made the switch over from Android to Apple and found you guys on Apple podcasts.

Paul: 00:51:56

Yay.

Marc: 00:51:57

You guys have mentioned that you would like to be full time podcasters. Have we?

Paul: 00:52:00

Yeah, only every other episode and he's put in brackets.

Marc: 00:52:03

I'm surprised you aren't doing it already. That's nice. So I just wondered what your plan is over the next year or two.

I'm asking because I'm a Patreon subscriber to a comedy podcast and I love the extra content and the chance to feel closer to the hosts and you get a sense of community. I would absolutely subscribe to your show to get extra stuff from you. Keep up the excellent work. James from Manchester.

Paul: 00:52:23

Can I answer in the style of Indiana Jones? Yeah, no, we're making this up as we go along, but Max probably got a better idea.

Darren: 00:52:29

Big Captain Jack Sparrow thing to say.

Paul: 00:52:31

Right.

Marc: 00:52:32

We kind of. We have. We've sort of mentioned it on the previous episode. This will be. Yeah, on the previous episode we did the quiz.

We mentioned that things like the quiz or cinema trips might be go then. Can be for subscribers.

Darren: 00:52:43

Yeah. I think also we wanted to make sure we've got it as good as we can.

Marc: 00:52:47

Yeah, we're tweaking it or at least.

Darren: 00:52:48

To a good level before we're 18 months in now.

Marc: 00:52:51

So.

Darren: 00:52:51

Yeah, we're not doing a cash grab like we. We want to give value. And. And the fact that you've said you think we have some financial value means a lot. Yeah, that'd be kind of cool.

So we just need to think about what we'd put in the Patreon. But yeah, just be.

Marc: 00:53:03

It would just be bonus content, just a chance for people to provide like support the show and it would help us do this. Obviously, the more. The more subscribers we get, the more likely we could potentially have this as a job. That would be the dream, really.

Paul: 00:53:14

Yeah, we appreciate all the support because of the format.

Marc: 00:53:16

We Have. There's so many things we could do with bonus content.

Paul: 00:53:18

Well, I'm fairly certain we could have talked about Raiders of the Lost Ark for another good hour there.

Marc: 00:53:22

Yeah, I think things like the listener choice would probably become subscribers.

Darren: 00:53:26

You could raffle off Paul and I to the ladies.

Paul: 00:53:29

Whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa. Yeah.

Marc: 00:53:30

Okay, $5. Sold.

Paul: 00:53:35

I got him.

Darren: 00:53:35

I got him.

Paul: 00:53:37

So, yeah, that being Groundhog Day, where.

Darren: 00:53:39

He looks in the.

Marc: 00:53:40

So it is on the horizon. It is what we've been thinking of. I mean, when we get to January 27th, that's the beginning of year three for us.

So we sort of are working towards that, which is why we're sort of developing bonus content that is free as it stands, but at some point it might then become for subscribers only. So thanks for the email, James. I really, really appreciate that. I'm glad. Glad you're interested. So we've got one.

We potentially have one subscriber there. Yes. One more message that came in on Instagram.

This is another person who's sending a good message, but they've clearly worked out who we are or what we do.

Paul: 00:54:08

Oh.

Marc: 00:54:08

So it starts with good afternoon. Would it be possible to put me in touch with the person responsible for recruitment or external events at your organization?

I would like to share some brief information regarding the up and coming Carlisle Careers Fair. Do you think about that, Darren?

Darren: 00:54:21

No.

Marc: 00:54:24

Taking place at the Crown and mitre Hotel on the 26th of August. Kind regards. And that's from Andrew Whitfield, Northwest Regional lead of the UK Careers Fair.

Darren: 00:54:31

So he thinks that we're a company with a team and I. We don't even have a secretary podcasting kids or a marketing team.

Paul: 00:54:41

How much is it podcasting?

Marc: 00:54:43

Maybe the perception of us is that. That we are that level. Maybe just look at our content and go, these guys are big.

Darren: 00:54:47

Or a bot. Just did it. We just scan LinkedIn for these.

Marc: 00:54:50

I'll have to look it up, but that sounds like a good event if that's a thing. If it's real.

Darren: 00:54:54

Yeah, it's real. Kind of might have often done careers.

Marc: 00:54:57

I'm all up for careers, so I thought I'd read it out just to give it a plug.

Paul: 00:55:01

But the only problem is we don't actually have a career in this yet.

Marc: 00:55:04

No, but we need to go to the fair.

Darren: 00:55:06

Y.

Paul: 00:55:07

Exactly.

Marc: 00:55:08

Should we go though? Not just reply and say, yes, we.

Paul: 00:55:10

Will be there, we'll be there. If you can get as a career in this, it'd be great.

Darren: 00:55:13

Yeah, exactly.

Marc: 00:55:14

So, Andrew Whitfield, the Northwest Regional Lead of the UK Careers fair. Thanks for email. We might come to your fair then.

Darren: 00:55:21

My dream is that some Saudi prince's kids hear about this podcast and they start learning English from us. And then the Saudi prince is like, I've got to keep these guys going. I'm going to make them all millionaires.

So they can just keep doing it because it's the first thing in English at my kids. Kids are starting paying attention to.

Marc: 00:55:36

And they're all swear words from Darren.

Darren: 00:55:37

Yeah, they are.

Paul: 00:55:38

I love how detailed that was, that it was manifesting right there.

Darren: 00:55:42

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:55:42

So there you go. That was a couple of messages there.

Paul: 00:55:45

In fact, that could be a film in itself.

Darren: 00:55:47

Nice.

Paul: 00:55:47

Get Netflix on the phone.

Marc: 00:55:50

So on to this week's question of the week. It's from. I'm in doubt. This is his real name. Jim Reaper.

Paul: 00:55:56

Oh, Jim.

Marc: 00:55:57

It says from Boston, but it could be Boston, Massachusetts. Or it could be Boston in Bolton.

Darren: 00:56:02

Or if I. If my second name was Reaper, I probably would name my kid Jim. That works. Jim Reaper.

Marc: 00:56:08

His question is, which movie character deserves their own spin off movie?

Darren: 00:56:12

That's a really good question.

Marc: 00:56:14

Lots of characters. Well, we can give your opinions now briefly. Lots of characters get them when we don't ask for them.

Darren: 00:56:19

Yes, Damn right they do. Too many.

Marc: 00:56:22

I mean, you don't have to answer now, but we can, we can readdress this next week if you want. Up to you. If you can't think off the top of your head, that's fine.

Darren: 00:56:27

Things just might do damage.

Paul: 00:56:30

Yeah.

Marc: 00:56:30

That's why it's got to be done. Right? I mean, if they started obviously doing that in the Marvel universe, haven't they,.

Darren: 00:56:34

Like Andy Garcia's character in Untouchables.

Marc: 00:56:36

Yeah.

Paul: 00:56:36

But the reason it works is because he's in there. I'm going through films in my head going like, you take them out of there and throw them over there.

Darren: 00:56:43

I think it should be like Rosencrantz and Guilderstein. Like, it needs to be a really minor character.

Like it'd be the waitress who serves him a drink and then it's like, what does she do for the rest of her day? Yeah, that's what I'd want to do. I'd love it if it was just like a different genre.

So one of my favorite movies is these 13 hours with John Krasinski. CIA base gets hit somewhere and mercenaries protect it. Based on a true story. Phenomenal.

But at the end he calls his wife and I'm like, I'd love to see a movie. What his wife was doing. Maybe she was having an affair. It's like Castaway. Right. What was his wife doing?

We need facts on what was happening with that dentist.

Paul: 00:57:16

There's the spin off for Helen Hunt.

Marc: 00:57:18

Good. Like a mirror. It's like a mirror version of it when something's going on. What was happening on the other side.

Darren: 00:57:22

And it could be an entirely different genre.

Marc: 00:57:24

That'd be great. We only recently put out the question. Last week's question of the week, which was who should be the next James Bond?

A couple of first ones I can see is someone suggested Ashley Walters. I don't know who that is.

Darren: 00:57:32

No, I don't know.

Marc: 00:57:33

I'll read more of these out next time. We've got a bunch of them I actually want. I actually think Patrick Gibson First Light video game might make a decent 007. Or Henry Cavill.

Darren: 00:57:43

I think the thing is, it depends how nostalgic we're going to be because the representation of men is changing in cinema and what is seen as attractive is changing. I don't think they're going to do it yet, but at some point they're gonna have to switch to what's seen as attractive now. So it probably.

At some point it should be someone like Tom Holland or Timothy Chalamet. It needs to be a smaller kind of. Less of a caveman.

Marc: 00:58:03

Yeah.

Darren: 00:58:04

Rather than the types of big guys we're getting now.

Marc: 00:58:06

Cool. We'll go more over this next when we've got the. When I've got a full. Full bunch in.

That was just the first read that came in there because we only put it out yesterday. So this week's question of the week is which movie character deserves their own spin off movie?

And that's from Jim Reaper in Boston, maybe in the United States. We don't know. So send in your questions, you can email us helloviewinutshell.com and we may potentially pick out yours for next week.

So that takes us on to next week's movie, which is Mr. Hall.

Darren: 00:58:32

Right. Okay. So I went looking because I've got a couple lined up, as we all have, I think. And then we just did. What have we just done? We just done Raiders.

All the start. Before that was solo. Before that was Godfather. So we had a bit of a sausage fest, which is fine. But let's throw, you know, some femininity into this.

So. But I didn't want to watch a ROM combo.

Marc: 00:58:50

Oh man.

Darren: 00:58:51

I know. Because anyway, that's what you're here for. So I wanted to find a badass movie with a Woman at the lead. And I.

But I'd only just watched Furiosa, so I, you know, like two weeks ago.

Paul: 00:59:00

Film.

Darren: 00:59:01

Yeah. Wait, if Furious had come up before Mad Max, I think it would be way, way better received. Just. Yeah, really cool movie.

And then there's like, the Old Guard, but I've seen that too recently. And, you know, this seems like Atomic Blonde and whatever. Lucy.

Paul: 00:59:14

Oh, I like that.

Darren: 00:59:15

Yeah. But then I just went a bit rogue and I came across Birds of Prey, the Fabulous Emancipation of Harley Quinn. Is that what it's called?

Paul: 00:59:24

Oh, you went full title.

Darren: 00:59:25

Yeah. The Harley Quinn movie basically is what it is with Margot.

Marc: 00:59:28

It's a long title.

Darren: 00:59:29

Yes. Which I think did not do itself any favors when it came to marketing and stuff.

Paul: 00:59:34

I feel like they called it Birds of Prey and then added that bit on to remind everyone it was Harley Quinn.

Darren: 00:59:39

It should have been cool. The Harley Quinn movie that would have made.

Marc: 00:59:41

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to seeing that in the. That in Spot in the Spotify app.

Paul: 00:59:45

Get cut off condensing that one.

Darren: 00:59:47

Yeah. But it's been a while since I've seen it. I actually saw it.

Marc: 00:59:50

Okay.

Darren: 00:59:51

Yeah, I saw it. I think I saw it at the cinema.

Paul: 00:59:53

I've been meaning to watch it, but I haven't got around to it yet, so it's a good call.

Darren: 00:59:56

So it's a DC film. Harley Quinn is very interesting character. Often girlfriend of the Joker. Mr. J has many, many, many iterations across animation and movies.

Marc: 01:00:07

I've not seen any movies with her in it. It. But I've seen suicide video games. Okay. She was in it.

Darren: 01:00:12

Oh, this is interesting because she is. This character is a spin off from the first Suicide Squad movie, which is trash. And. But she's in that. And then this is her spin off movie from it.

Paul: 01:00:23

And my favorite depiction of Harley Quinn is where she originated from, which was in the Batman animated series, which I'm sure I'll waffle on about in the episode.

Marc: 01:00:31

Okay. Next week's movie is Birds of Prey,.

Darren: 01:00:34

The Fabulous Emancipation of.

Marc: 01:00:36

Of one Harley Quinn. Yes, I remember correctly. One Harley Quinn. There's a one in there somewhere. Thank you, Darren. That brings us to the end of the show.

But don't forget, the listener choice is now open. So if you go to our socials, there'll be a box in there.

You can type it in there and it'll go add it to our list or you can send us a message on socials or you can email us and we'll all add them to our list. And you will get chosen at random.

So if you'd like to suggest a movie for us to break down the final episode of this month or will be in the penultimate episode this month, because we're going to see cinema.

Paul: 01:01:02

Oh.

Marc: 01:01:03

But more details on that to come soon.

Paul: 01:01:04

Oh, you and your tension and suspense schedules.

Marc: 01:01:07

We still need to work out schedules, but there will be a cinema trip this month coming soon. Okay, that brings us to the end of the show. Thank you for listening.

We really do appreciate you guys taking time out of your busy schedule to spend some time with us. This episode is officially over. This is Mark saying goodbye.

Darren: 01:01:21

This is Darren saying goodbye for now.

Paul: 01:01:22

Come on, show a little backbone, won't you?

Darren: 01:01:25

Was that from this movie? There's like, 17 million better of quotes.