Sliding Doors - In A Nutshell

Darren: 00:00:00

Something sticky. Just like, eh, eh. I'm touching people right now.

Paul: 00:00:04

He is actually talking about that. And even Darren's light touch is actually very manly. Just so you know.

Darren: 00:00:10

It's like being touched by a wrench. Yes. Oh, my God. And who goes to hospital for that?

Paul: 00:00:19

Well, she got knocked down there.

Darren: 00:00:20

Are you okay? Oh, my God. What happened?

Marc: 00:01:02

Here we are. Sliding Doors,: 1998

Paul: 00:01:06

It was. I felt we needed to throw in a rom com. You know, I love it.

Darren: 00:01:09

You never choose them. It was so out of character for you.

Paul: 00:01:13

I like to throw them in. I like to dream. I like to try and bring the romance back, even though I'm a cynical shell of what I was.

Although I've got to the point where I realized rom coms are probably as believable as science fiction at this point. So.

Darren: 00:01:25

Hey, ho, I am with you on that.

Marc: 00:01:26

Oh, you guys.

Paul: 00:01:27

But maybe this podcast will lift our spirits and make us believe in love again.

Darren: 00:01:31

I'm half woman on my mother's side.

Marc: 00:01:34

What the hell does that mean? Anyway, we've started on a tangent.

So this is a nutshell where we break the movie down spoiler free to help you decide if this is your kind of movie and if it's worth your time. Before we start, though, quick reminder. The cinema trip is this Friday.

Paul: 00:01:49

Yes. What we going to see again?

Marc: 00:01:50

Project Hail Mary. And I got it wrong last time. It's not Friday, March 19th. It's Friday, March 20th.

Friday, March 19th does not exist as a number of people have messaged in to say we.

Paul: 00:01:59

You're just testing people to have a list, make sure.

Marc: 00:02:01

Yeah. And it works. There was at least five people messaged. Contact the show in different ways to say, well done.

Darren: 00:02:06

Keep us on, keep us in check.

Marc: 00:02:08

So, yeah, we're based in Penrith, so if you live in here or the surrounding areas, you're welcome to join us Friday, March 20th for the 7:30 screening of Project Hail Mary. But we'll be meeting at the Dog Beck, which is the spoons, at 6pm before that.

Paul: 00:02:21

Do we think people are going to like, travel from America and things? I hope not the side of the

Marc: 00:02:24

world for this, for that, and then go all the way back.

Paul: 00:02:27

Right?

Darren: 00:02:28

There'll be some like, crypto millionaire or info influencer who's making like 3 million per post. It's like, yeah, I'll just grab my jet and fly over to the uk. I'm gonna watch a movie for this

Marc: 00:02:36

podcast that I love.

Paul: 00:02:37

Yeah, I'm glad that the Crypto Millionaires love our podcast, though. That's good.

Darren: 00:02:41

Oh, if anyone's gonna love the podcast, it's gonna be crypto millionaires, the extreme nerds and geeks.

Marc: 00:02:47

So we're in the nutshell. So how do we break this down for someone who hasn't seen it, as I hadn't before I watched it for this.

Darren: 00:02:52

But did you know the phrase slide indoors?

Marc: 00:02:53

Well, this is where I'm gonna start.

Darren: 00:02:54

All right.

Marc: 00:02:55

The term sliding doors became popularized in the late 20th century, meaning seemingly inconsequential moments that nonetheless alter the trajectory of future events earlier, similar concepts.

le the term originates with a: 1998

Paul: 00:03:20

future of outcomes, which leads us on to kind of what the film's about. And the nutshell of it is it's about destiny.

Marc: 00:03:27

On the surface is a romantic comedy,

Paul: 00:03:28

but on the surface, it's a romantic comedy, but then it's got that butterfly effect of what if?

Darren: 00:03:32

It's really weird because there's the two storylines. So one based on whether she caught the train and the other based on if she didn't. One feels like a romantic comedy and one feels like a melodrama.

It feels like there's two different genres, like parallel running at the same time.

Paul: 00:03:45

Now, that's interesting. So if people are going to watch this and they've not seen it before, it's to kind of be prepared for two genres going on at the same time.

Marc: 00:03:52

Is that kind of a spoiler?

Darren: 00:03:53

It can't be a spoiler because it was just establishing genre. You guys write it's romantic comedy, and I was like, no, it isn't. It's a romantic comedy and a melodrama.

Marc: 00:04:00

Yeah, but the fact that she's catching two trains and it follows them, that's

Darren: 00:04:02

the COVID of the dvd.

Marc: 00:04:04

Still doesn't mean it's not a spoiler, though.

Paul: 00:04:05

Let's give him that one. Should we give him that one?

Marc: 00:04:07

I don't know.

Paul: 00:04:07

I don't know.

Marc: 00:04:08

We'll let the listeners decide. Okay, if we've just ruined it for you and you've seen it, you haven't seen it, then let us know and we'll. We'll stop doing that.

If not, we'll carry on.

Darren: 00:04:14

Darth Vader is Luke's father.

Marc: 00:04:18

So I had it written down as the movie follows two Versions of the same woman after one small moment changes everything.

From that point on, the film runs both timelines side by side, showing how chance encounters, timing and seemingly small decisions can ripple outward and transform relationships, careers and identity.

Darren: 00:04:34

Actually, it's kind of thematically quite similar to a movie we've also done called Run Load a Run, which was one of our highest rated movies, by me, at least, anyway.

Paul: 00:04:42

Yeah, I think it came out the same year as well.

Darren: 00:04:44

Get out of here. That would be cool if it was.

Paul: 00:04:46

I think it came out the same.

Darren: 00:04:47

ertain periods and, you know,: 1998

Marc: 00:05:00

collapse, machines were going to stop working.

Paul: 00:05:01

Millennium bugs.

Darren: 00:05:02

So, yeah, the millennium bug. And then we've got movies like the Matrix, which is saying, like, all this is just nonsense and not real.

And then movies which are talking about predestination and choices and stuff. It's interesting. It's almost like we all had a existential crisis of some kind in the late 19th century. Late 20th century. It would be, wouldn't it?

Paul: 00:05:21

Yeah. It was 98, though. Run, run Lola Rum.

Marc: 00:05:23

Nice. That's good.

Darren: 00:05:24

And Run only runs German, so it's not like it's totally different kind of film industries.

Marc: 00:05:29

What kind of watch is this?

Darren: 00:05:30

It's a semi romantic comedy with elements of melodrama much in the vein of City of Angels, which is a Meg Ryan and Nicolas Cage movie.

Paul: 00:05:40

Yeah, it's got undertones of, like a fantasy element almost. So I've wrote down other films that reminds me of. In terms of that. Which is the Family man, which is like a Nick Cage thing.

Sure, that's a rom com, but it's a bit like It's a Wonderful Life, where he gets a glimpse of what his future might have been if he'd been more of a family man. It's in the title. That's not a spoiler. And then also run. Lol. Run, obviously.

But then also maybe something like Multiplicity with Michael keaton and Andy McDowell, where it's a rom com, but it's kind of got a fantastical element there where it's.

Darren: 00:06:07

I also think it's the same kind of vibe you'd watch if you're watching, like, the Devil Wears Prada. I think it's the kind of movie that's fun to drink with, eating popcorn, drinking wine or Beers.

The kind of thing where you want to yell at the screen and throw things at the screen.

Paul: 00:06:21

Yes.

Darren: 00:06:21

You know, a little bit like love, actually. Really? Except with love, actually. You may pick up the TV and throw it against the wall.

But, you know, when you want to get communal anger, almost like a ritualistic

Paul: 00:06:30

thing, and for the feels, I would say it's a bit like Serendipity. Have you seen that one?

Darren: 00:06:34

Yeah, of course. It's John Cusack and Kate Beckinsale.

Paul: 00:06:37

That's very much about destiny again and fate and the path's gonna cross and all that kind of thing. And that reminded me of this one quite a lot.

Darren: 00:06:44

Yeah. That was deeply annoying, though.

Paul: 00:06:45

What?

Darren: 00:06:46

Oh, yeah. Kate Beckinsale is just like, hey, if we're supposed to be together, something will happen.

Paul: 00:06:51

Okay. Oh, well, I'll fight you on that one.

Marc: 00:06:53

Do you have a Meets?

Paul: 00:06:54

I haven't really got meets. Probably Serendipity versus the Family Man.

Marc: 00:06:57

For me, I had A Christmas Carol meets Run Lauren.

Paul: 00:06:59

Okay, I can see that.

Marc: 00:07:00

Yeah. Any other movies can be compared to or in the same vein as.

Paul: 00:07:03

The other one I got was Groundhog Day.

Darren: 00:07:05

A little bit of Pritchard Jones.

Paul: 00:07:06

About Time, which. I know. You like that one, don't you?

Darren: 00:07:08

Oh, About Time's too phenomenal to mention.

Paul: 00:07:11

I knew you'd like that one.

Marc: 00:07:12

But, yeah, you'll have to choose at some point.

Darren: 00:07:13

It's a breathtaking movie. I've seen it too many times now.

Marc: 00:07:16

I haven't seen it.

Paul: 00:07:17

If you're a watcher of the Marvel films, obviously they have things about different dimensions and alternate timelines and things like that.

Darren: 00:07:23

Even quantum physics does. Like, there's tons of theories out there now that even, like, when you die that you don't die, you just jump to reality where you don't.

Where you didn't die.

Paul: 00:07:32

Oh, that's.

Darren: 00:07:33

And there's this other. I keep seeing these articles going around about somebody working out that you can actually jump realities now. And, you know, it's complex, and I

Paul: 00:07:41

think I watched some YouTube videos on that. Quantum jumping.

Darren: 00:07:43

Yeah, totally. You can just jump into a different reality, and I kind of like that idea, and I kind of feel like I've done it once or twice.

Marc: 00:07:48

Quantum Leap.

Darren: 00:07:49

You. Yeah, but you wouldn't necessarily know that you've done it. You'll just. Your reality will be slightly different, but not in a massive way, you know?

Marc: 00:07:55

So this basically moves about your life going in two different directions. When you make choice A or choice B, or you. You catch a bus or you don't catch a bus.

Darren: 00:08:02

Yeah.

Marc: 00:08:02

Differences in what happens when you do,

Paul: 00:08:04

when you don't, how it unfolds.

Marc: 00:08:05

I said in this one, she doesn't. She's not conscious of it. Like sometimes we could. We could be in a situation where we should have spoke up. We didn't.

And then afterwards you go, I should have said something. And it's like the difference between what if I had said something, what would happen? This is more. She doesn't know.

This is playing out the two eventualities of her get getting on a train and not getting on a train.

Darren: 00:08:21

And we don't know. We don't know what's good or bad. There's. There's an author called Matt Haig who did a book called Midnight Library.

It's very much about mental health. Very triggering in. Off the scale triggering. But this woman dies and she goes to the midnight Library.

And in the library there's a book that details her life with every single decision in her life was different.

And if she picks out the book, she goes into that life so she can be like, oh, if only I didn't break up with that guy, my life would have been better and it wouldn't killed myself. And she goes and experiences it and then she'd be like, oh, that didn't work out the way I thought.

Or maybe I should have got that job and it should go into that life and we can do that all day long. Like, if only I'd applied for that job. If only I hadn't done that. If only I did this differently.

Paul: 00:09:00

Oh, that's like everything all at once, isn't it? As well? Whether there's all these different timelines of different realities.

Marc: 00:09:06

I haven't seen that, but I'm well aware of the concept of it.

Paul: 00:09:08

Yeah.

Marc: 00:09:09

Anything else on the nutshell before we move on?

Paul: 00:09:11

I would say it's a very 90s British Rom Comy. That's where you're saying Bridget Jones, isn't it?

Darren: 00:09:15

Yeah, totally.

Paul: 00:09:16

It gives very Bridget vibes. It's of the time. It's very 90s.

Darren: 00:09:20

And actually 90s romcoms tended to have quite a bit of melodrama.

Marc: 00:09:23

They did. And 90s romcoms are often rated as the best ones. Quite often.

Paul: 00:09:26

But you got to like your melodrama.

Marc: 00:09:28

Okay, thank you, gentlemen. That takes us on to part two, which is the unboxing. So spoiler territory ahead.

If you haven't seen the movie and we've helped you decide you do want to watch it, we recommend you go and check it out. Now and then come back. Because from this point forward, there will be some spoilers in the unboxing. We have. What did you miss?

Where we reveal things you may have missed, details you didn't noticed even if you've seen the movie many times.

Paul has his amazing facts of the day and then we round off with hate it or rate it where we could each give a brief opinion score out of 10 and we see where it lands on the Legend league. So I'm gonna go to you, Darren, for what did you miss?

Darren: 00:10:02

Not much, other than she's kind of a cow.

Marc: 00:10:07

Well, I mean, the boyfriend's not much better.

Darren: 00:10:09

No, he's. He's awful. He's a very bad word. He's a. A C word, that guy. And this is also a theme of the 90s Rom coms as well.

It'd be really on the whole, like attractive women with really mid men and you just like, what are you doing with him?

Marc: 00:10:23

So what makes you say that about her then?

Darren: 00:10:24

Okay, well, how does this movie start? She's late for work and she was like, I know, I know. You must forget I. I work here. Because clearly she's late for work all the freaking time.

And she stole four bottles of vodka. And then she's shocked that they fire her and she tries to frame it in a whole like anti feminist or I'm the girl, I don't fit in.

It's like you're late for work all for no reason. You're a thief and you've stolen from your work partners who have said, this absolutely impacted my ability to woo our client.

And she said, well, you just fake it, don't you? We are PR company. No, you don't fake it. You're professional and you don't steal four bottles of vodka for your birthday.

How about, yeah, you're fired. Stop whining.

So she's awful at her job and then she goes on later and thinks, well, I'm going to work in pr, but obviously you can't get a job working in pr, which is why she sells sandwiches. Whatever timeline she goes. Because she's not very good at her job. And then some random chef decides to throw a bone and you know, she throws a pie.

Paul: 00:11:23

That's the nutshell right there.

Marc: 00:11:24

Yeah, done. Right, let's move on.

Paul: 00:11:25

Moving on.

Darren: 00:11:26

Right, you can see that though, right? Like it's a weird frame. Like she doesn't come across well in that kind of opening bit.

Paul: 00:11:32

I've never thought of it though.

Darren: 00:11:33

They try and make.

Marc: 00:11:35

I was so taken aback by how Much of a knob he was that I didn't even really notice that.

Paul: 00:11:38

That's more where I'm at in this film. Every time he's. He's such a. I just want to punch him in the face. But I guess that's the point.

Darren: 00:11:44

He's wet as well. That's. I don't get what anyone sees in him. He's just all wet. And I imagine his touch is feathery. Do you know when someone touches you, it's like.

Like it's not even like a butterfly landing on you. It's just like something sticky. Just like I'm touching Paul right now.

Paul: 00:12:00

And even Darren's light touch is actually very manly, just so you know.

Darren: 00:12:05

Yeah, it's like being touched by a wrench. Yes.

Marc: 00:12:10

So this film obviously uses lots of visual cues to differentiate the two timelines, because at first, for me, it was quite confusing. But then when she gets a haircut, that was an obvious. That was the main one.

Paul: 00:12:18

Yeah. So between the two, the first one that leads up to the haircut is when she gets the cut on the head. So one of them obviously.

Darren: 00:12:24

Oh, my God. And who goes to hospital for that?

Paul: 00:12:28

Well, she got knocked down.

Darren: 00:12:30

Are you okay? Oh, my God. What happened? She's just got a tiny cut.

Paul: 00:12:34

She got knocked down.

Darren: 00:12:35

I sometimes wake up from sleep with a cut like that on my head, and I'm just like, wait, where did this happen?

Marc: 00:12:40

What the fuck are you dreaming about?

Darren: 00:12:42

They'd be right up here. Here. Like, I just have scars.

Paul: 00:12:44

That was a deep scar that she got. Okay.

Darren: 00:12:46

Was it?

Paul: 00:12:47

Yes.

Marc: 00:12:47

Rachel and friends would have just no sympathy for anybody.

Paul: 00:12:50

Right?

Marc: 00:12:51

You like your arms hanging off. You'll be fine. Or your leg walk it off.

Darren: 00:12:54

When Rachel Lee friend just put a bouquet of flowers on her head to stop it. That's how you deal with that stuff.

Paul: 00:13:00

But the plaster on her head is to differentiate.

Marc: 00:13:03

It's definitely a visual cue.

Darren: 00:13:05

It totally is.

Paul: 00:13:05

And it keeps you kind of on the right timeline, obviously, like you say, when the haircut kicks in, which is.

Marc: 00:13:09

I also think the version with the old haircut is the one where she's living out her old original life before the change.

Paul: 00:13:16

Oh, that's interesting that you think of it that way.

Marc: 00:13:18

The old haircut is the old her. The new haircut is the new her.

Paul: 00:13:21

So you're saying the new haircut is kind of like a vision almost of what could happen if interesting.

Darren: 00:13:27

But also I think that the haircut one is the melodrama.

Paul: 00:13:30

The one where she. No, I would say that's the rom com.

Darren: 00:13:34

How does the haircut one end?

Marc: 00:13:35

Don't they both end pretty badly, though?

Paul: 00:13:37

The haircut one ends in death melodrama, but leading up to that.

Marc: 00:13:44

Okay, and how does the other one end?

Paul: 00:13:47

The other one ends with them meeting in the lift. So it's like the start of the meeting again.

Marc: 00:13:52

Yeah.

Darren: 00:13:53

So it's basically a meet cute, isn't it?

Paul: 00:13:54

It is. Or it's the.

You kind of know what's going to happen going with the original hair one, because you've kind of seen the glimpse of it with the hair one. It's going to sound very random conversation out of context, isn't it?

Marc: 00:14:07

I know you mean.

Darren: 00:14:07

Yeah.

Paul: 00:14:08

And then the guy, the hate, the. The ex boyfriend, or whatever you want to call him that we all hate so much. Yeah, him.

I'm just about ready to smash the screen when he then goes to the pub with his mate.

Darren: 00:14:20

His mate is fun and his mate's

Paul: 00:14:22

hilarious and takes the piss out of him and it makes the whole thing kind of just. When I'm like, why do I even. Why did I pick this movie? I hate this guy so much. And then his mate takes the piss. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's quite funny.

Darren: 00:14:31

That's also a really nice depiction of how guys can be.

Paul: 00:14:34

Yes.

Darren: 00:14:34

Like, as long. As long as you know you're not going to die. Like, if you're like, you know, I've got cancer or whatever, you can just. You can just pile on the abuse.

Marc: 00:14:40

All true friends should just tell you how it is.

Darren: 00:14:42

Yeah.

Paul: 00:14:42

And he's like, I disagree. It's very, very funny. Oh, God, he's having a meltdown.

Darren: 00:14:49

Yeah.

Paul: 00:14:50

Yeah.

Marc: 00:14:50

What else do people might have missed in this?

Darren: 00:14:52

Oh, the other thing is, I don't think John Hannah comes across that well. I also find him a really weird leading man. He must have just thought, oh, you were on Influence and a funeral and you read a poem and everyone cried.

So we're going to give you more money and we're going to put you into big roles. Yeah. So John Hannah just starts talking to her on the tube, which is a no. No. Like, if you're not in the uk, just to establish eyes forward.

It's like urinal rules. You don't talk to each other.

Marc: 00:15:18

In the South. Yes, in the north. Of course you do. What are you talking about? I forgot. He's a southerner, isn't he?

Paul: 00:15:22

Right.

Marc: 00:15:23

Southern attitude, that.

Paul: 00:15:24

But you're saying this, this is exactly how it happens. Not exactly how it happens, but in Before Sunset, one of your more favorite films that they start chatting on the train and that's how it unfolds.

Darren: 00:15:35

She doesn't explicitly say, stop talking to me, please. I just want to read my book.

Paul: 00:15:40

Yeah, but it's. It's done in a charming way. I don't think you're a psycho. I just want to read my book.

Darren: 00:15:45

And also, they're not in. As you said, they're not in the south of England. They're in Vienna.

Paul: 00:15:50

Oh, yeah. In that film.

Marc: 00:15:50

Yeah.

Paul: 00:15:51

They're on the way to Vienna, aren't they?

Darren: 00:15:52

Yeah.

Paul: 00:15:53

So you're saying because it's the south of England, they should not talk to each other on the tube.

Darren: 00:15:56

I genuinely think he's creepy. He comes across as creepy.

Paul: 00:15:59

He's just a chatty bloke. Okay, moving on. This probably isn't going to inspire my belief in love again, is it?

Darren: 00:16:07

I do approve of him being Scottish. And there's also another guy, Rockshop, who I think is Irish. And I was. You're going around the country. This is.

Marc: 00:16:13

I think in both timelines, the same underlying problem exists. And that is Helen. Yeah. She's in a dishonest relationship.

Paul: 00:16:20

Yeah.

Marc: 00:16:21

In either timeline. I think the difference between the two is it's the same outcome. It's just how long it takes her to get there.

Darren: 00:16:26

She's also just got too much main character energy.

Paul: 00:16:29

She is the main character.

Darren: 00:16:30

Yeah, I know, but she. It's like everything's about her.

Paul: 00:16:33

I don't think that's whose eyes were watching it through.

Darren: 00:16:35

No, but you can help other people. You can realize that other people have wants and needs and desires and stuff.

Paul: 00:16:41

Okay. Was the focus not meant to be on her journey?

Darren: 00:16:44

Yeah, but she's also selfish. It's like, it was my birth, it was my birthday, so I took the vodka.

Paul: 00:16:50

I feel like this first scenes flattened the whole childlike.

Marc: 00:16:54

Yeah.

Paul: 00:16:54

Some of the visual storytelling I thought was pretty cool. Like, the rewind and forward was pretty simple, but also effective to show. There is the kid.

Misses her on the stairs, catches the train, doesn't catch the train, that kind of thing. And also, there's lots of sliding dory things going on.

Marc: 00:17:09

I was gonna say. Did anyone know the actual sliding doors? When. When she's in the hospital? No, when she's in his place. New boyfriend James, is it?

Paul: 00:17:16

Yeah. And it's like she goes to his

Marc: 00:17:18

wife behind her sliding dolls, and she's like, do I just sack this guy off or do I go to the hospital and confront him or what?

Paul: 00:17:24

So I like the little Visual cues he's put in because the director Peter how it. I think he's called. He used to be in the TV sitcom called Bread and then he did a sort of bit of movie directing.

I don't think he does as much now this.

Darren: 00:17:37

I think this was his first maybe second film. He's a writer director on it.

Paul: 00:17:40

I think in my facts I've got like. He obviously had this idea for a while.

Darren: 00:17:43

Did he do Johnny English?

Paul: 00:17:45

I think maybe. I think he did one of the Garfield films as well. So he did that sort of thing like British comedy type thing.

Marc: 00:17:52

That scene when she realizes he's got a wife and then you see him kissing that woman outside the hospital. Like that better be your sister.

Paul: 00:17:58

I like. I like that you got outraged that

Marc: 00:18:00

turns out as his wife.

Paul: 00:18:01

Yeah. Because I've seen it a few times. I forgot separated how outraged I was the first time I saw that.

Darren: 00:18:06

That felt very similar to the Holiday is in the mix up. Like who's he on the phone with? Which is you know rom com kind of convention. It's all good.

Paul: 00:18:14

I kept writing Friggin Jerry, exclamation mark.

Darren: 00:18:16

The other thing you might have missed.

Paul: 00:18:20

Oh no. This is where he blows it apart. Go on.

Darren: 00:18:22

Is him making a Jo joke about his 8 year old girlfriend leaving him for Gary Glitter.

Paul: 00:18:29

Yeah. I didn't miss it. I made a note and I was like but oh that's inappropriate now.

Marc: 00:18:35

It is now. But I don't think at the time he was.

Darren: 00:18:37

I was trying to put the timeline. Isn't that weird?

Paul: 00:18:39

I think it was just before.

Marc: 00:18:40

I don't think he'd been.

Darren: 00:18:41

Do you think there were rumors He's

Marc: 00:18:42

a very odd person to reference. Wasn't it? I could have chosen anybody.

Paul: 00:18:45

I know.

Marc: 00:18:46

I bet they were like oh, it's between him and Jimmy Savile. We didn't know which one to go for.

Paul: 00:18:50

But slightly watching back on that one.

Marc: 00:18:52

Yeah. Oh, bad choice. But they weren't to know. I think does it raise the same ideas of like whatever happens is inevitable.

It's just when is it going to happen?

Darren: 00:19:00

Yeah. That's an interesting take and I am curious about that. I don't think that is the case.

I think there's probably some major beats in life that are inevitable that you can't really get around. But I think we've got a lot of freedom in between them.

I think the big love of your lives and you know maybe you're going to have a kid or everything. There's like big things. I definitely have this sense where I feel like I'm on the path. I'm like, oh, yeah.

I feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be sometimes. And I feel like I get this, like, intuitive feel, like this feels right.

And sometimes I think you can get multiple signs that are like, no, no, this is the right thing. And it's like, you know, give me a sign. And you get like, a million different signs.

Marc: 00:19:37

I think the difference in these two towns isn't what happens, it's how long it takes for her to discover the truth, whatever that truth in that timeline is.

Darren: 00:19:44

Yeah.

Paul: 00:19:44

I think that's why I was always drawn to this film, because it made you think of stuff. And I do like films that make you think of your own timeline and think, yeah, which way? Which direction? That's why I like Run Lola Run for that.

Groundhog Day as well is a little bit like that, isn't it? He's living the same day every day, and eventually he has to sort of come to terms with it.

He goes through the whole stages of grief and everything else, and then eventually starts helping people and realizing that was a better way.

Darren: 00:20:09

I also think that's a nice. It's nicer to live your life if you can frame these situations. And so you chose the positive path.

Like, I know, like, I was on a road trip with my kid and her mum, and my car broke down, and I was like, okay, well, I wonder why that happened. And it was like, well, maybe if we'd gone on that trip, we would have got into a serious car accident or something bad would have happened.

And, you know, my car breaking down has avoided that. So we should be really grateful because, you know, instead we're going to go for lunch here. We're going to do that instead.

And that's probably not true, but what's the other way to look at it? Like, to be angry and be like, oh, the whole day's ruined now because we didn't go on this trip.

Marc: 00:20:46

It's funny. You'll always find when situations like that, you'll get both of those. We're like, oh, days ruined. You're like, okay, well, what else can we do?

Let's have a look. Could be. Could be good.

Darren: 00:20:53

I think I said this before, like, when I. Sometimes I've been hospitalized, usually with my allergies, and I think, what am I supposed to be learning here?

And sometimes I think, well, maybe I'm just the nice, like, patient. Maybe the nurse is on the verge of quitting. And the fact that I'm not being a dick. Like, as I see lots of people in the hospital being.

Maybe they're gonna go home. Oh, it was an awful day. But there was this one nice guy and he seemed really grateful for the work we were doing.

Paul: 00:21:16

Yeah, this is the same reason we're nice to AI, isn't it?

Darren: 00:21:18

Well, that's more so we don't get enslaved. Yeah.

Paul: 00:21:21

Yeah. I thought the parallel scenes were cool, where it's like the same point in the timeline.

But obviously on one point of the timeline, she's on the boat with James cheering them on. And then that cuts to her and a friend walking along and she's figuring out whether Jerry cheating on or whatever.

And I thought cut some that were quite cool.

Darren: 00:21:39

He says at one point he says something to her and he's like, oh, well, you're a Gemini. And there's got to be a bonus about doing that. And it's kind of a one off line. And it moved on. I was like, did it say she was a Gemini?

Where did he learn that information?

Marc: 00:21:52

Yeah, I thought that same thought. How does he know that? How does he know that?

Darren: 00:21:54

That's. I'm glad you caught it. Because Paul said he caught it as well. And I said, what's that got to do with anything?

But I'm a Gemini and I do that thing that she does, and I don't think I've ever seen it in film.

Marc: 00:22:03

Just mean. He's an astronomer, so he can tell where her star sign is by her characteristics that he's seen already, I think.

Darren: 00:22:08

Or maybe it's a destination thing.

Paul: 00:22:10

Zodiac sign of the twins, a parallel of the movie.

Darren: 00:22:14

Yeah, that's cool. Whereas I think, was he. Her ex was an Aries or something?

Marc: 00:22:19

I think he was a dick.

Darren: 00:22:20

But yeah, it was a dick.

But yeah, I do that same thing where like a week later my mind will put something together that happened a week ago and I'll be like, wait, do you know last week when you said this was that this? Why? Like the people in my life, I'm like, you need total honesty with me. Because my brain. We'll put stuff together like a week later and I'll start.

Marc: 00:22:38

Yeah, probably. I might come up with the wrong answer.

Darren: 00:22:39

Yeah, exactly. But she was doing that all the time. She's oh.

And then with her best friend, she's, oh, when you're at mine, did you drop some, like a brandy glass into my. And she said, oh, it sounds like the type of thing I.

Marc: 00:22:48

But to be fair, in that situation, she already had a doubt about him. So that was why those questions were coming in. Any small cue that something was not right. She was. She was going.

Darren: 00:22:57

Cheating is one thing. I then think that if you're then gaslighting and blatantly, like, if you get caught by the victim. Yeah. Oh, oh, and he gets angry at one point.

Does he? I feel like you're blaming me. And she was. The first time she's asking curiously and she's. Oh, just. It was really weird. I found a brandy glass.

Do you know why? What are you accusing me of?

Marc: 00:23:18

Oh, girl, that's a red flag, to be honest.

Darren: 00:23:21

Where's the red flag guy when you

Paul: 00:23:22

need him nuts in lady shagging gossip.

Marc: 00:23:26

I think this film might be quietly suggesting that whatever choices you make, the truth in your life will appear eventually.

Paul: 00:23:32

That's why I like to take away from it. Like, eventually, you'll. The destiny will hit you eventually.

It might not be in the timeline you think it's going to be on, but eventually destiny will.

Marc: 00:23:43

Which is why I think another reason to not stew over should have, could have, would have kind of things.

Darren: 00:23:47

I definitely think it's just don't take life too seriously because you don't know.

Marc: 00:23:51

I do love that motto.

Darren: 00:23:52

It can be this whole, like, I say that to people, you know, take trying. They went for a job and it's like, well, yeah, you could have got the job.

And on the first day on the job, you might have driven to work and got hit by a car.

Marc: 00:24:03

Or you might have realized that job wasn't for you.

Darren: 00:24:05

Yeah. Or you might not get the job, or you might get fired.

Marc: 00:24:08

This other job come up that you take, but you couldn't have if you had the other job.

Darren: 00:24:11

Like, and this. This is the whole thing, isn't it? Like, I think it wasn't like, Oprah Winfrey fired a ton of times, and then she got the Oprah Winfrey gig.

And there's tons of actors we know of who've done that. It's tough, though, isn't it? It's really tough for the people who are right now going through a really hard time. Yeah. And I hate that.

Marc: 00:24:28

And they feel like every decision they make is the wrong one.

Darren: 00:24:30

Oh, man, we've been there. Exactly. Just.

Marc: 00:24:33

You can't get it down on your luck. Life's not giving any breaks.

Darren: 00:24:36

And I know people who have had, like, far worse lives than me, and they can kind of get a spirituality and be like, yeah, it makes the good times even better. I'm like, and I've said this before, I Hate that life is like that.

Like, we grow through pain and we grow through heartbreak and we grow through adversity. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. And I know that the hardest things I've been through in life are the things that is.

I hate that phrase, character development, but it freaking is.

Marc: 00:25:04

It's a thing. I mean, I always try not try never complain about things because you just never know.

Whoever you talk to when they make us through something ten times worse, I just try not to complain. I always try and look on the

Paul: 00:25:15

positive side, and we like that. That's.

Marc: 00:25:18

You keep going forward.

Paul: 00:25:19

Yeah. One of the other things I wrote down was I like the banter between them.

Like, you're probably going to disagree with it because you think he's creepy, but I like the banter. When he's in the. In the diner, it's like, oh, your friend Anna thinks I'm cute. Your friend Anna thinks I'm cute.

And I just blew five on the wrong girl. And then something about moderately attractive. He's like, I knew that you were listening. I like that sort of stuff.

Darren: 00:25:42

Yeah, I did, too.

Paul: 00:25:42

That appeals to me. The light banter of 90s rom coms.

Marc: 00:25:46

Okay, well, are we done here?

Darren: 00:25:48

Yeah, I think so.

Marc: 00:25:49

Okay, well, let's move on to polls. Amazing facts of the day.

Paul: 00:25:53

The first fact of the day is, I think this is the first film we've watched since doing the podcast where the phrase in a nutshell was used.

Marc: 00:26:03

Like it. We need it. We need a tally.

Paul: 00:26:05

Do we need a tally?

Marc: 00:26:06

A list of all the movies that say in a nutshell.

Paul: 00:26:07

But I was like, oh, they said the thing. So not an official fact, but I was throwing it in anyway.

Marc: 00:26:14

Like it.

Paul: 00:26:14

John Hannah is partly responsible for the film getting made. After funding collapsed, he coincidentally happened to be in a meeting with Hollywood hotshot Sidney Pollock, who directed various different things.

A lot of them were Robert Redford, and casually mentioned this great screenplay he was hoping to make. Pollock was sufficiently interested to read the script and immediately start. Immediately sorted out the funding. So, John Hannah.

Maybe that's how he ended up as the leading man. Answering your question before. Join the favor, John Hanna also said he stopped worrying about catching trains after this film.

And he says, I don't run for trains anymore. If I meant to get it, I'll get it. If I don't, there'll be another one along in a few minutes.

Darren: 00:26:47

Yeah, but then I think that's an excuse not to try. Yeah, if I'm supposed to win this marathon, I'll win it. I won't have to train.

Marc: 00:26:55

It doesn't mean, like, oh, it's just there. If I just jog down the stairs, I'll get it. If I know I'm gonna walk. If I don't, like, at least try and get it.

I mean, it might make your day a bit better if you do catch that train. But we're just saying it's not the end of the world if you don't.

Paul: 00:27:09

Have you ever seen the film yes Man.

Marc: 00:27:10

Yeah, Jim Carrey.

Paul: 00:27:12

So that's that thing, isn't it, where he just has to say yes to everything and he ends up stranded in the middle of nowhere. But then that leads to him running into the girl, Zooey Deschanel, Zoe de Chanel.

Marc: 00:27:21

So, yeah, maybe I've seen where he's. He's in the. Well, I can't where he is, but there's just, like, leaflets and things on the wall. Yes, I will learn Spanish. Yes, I will take palaces.

Yes, I will like. What a great attitude.

Paul: 00:27:32

In: 1998

Being happy and being smiling all the time, especially smiling naturally on take 18 is tough. Give me bawling my eyes out anytime. And he does. He's done some quite heavy dramas over the years as well, hasn't he?

So this was probably maybe one of his first lighter roles because I know he went on to the Mummy film. Actually. When was the Mummy?

Darren: 00:27:56

I was good in this.

Paul: 00:27:57

Yeah. I think that was the year after this.

Marc: 00:27:59

99 wasn't any of them.

Paul: 00:28:02

Okay, okay, let's try and get there at some point. Plays Jerry in the film. A struggling novelist in real life. Lynch has written novels. Torn Water and Falling from Heaven.

So he's a novelist in real life.

When Sidney Pollock called from Hollywood to offer financing, director Pete Howitt was on a drinking spree in a London pub and had to be sobered up before he could speak to him.

Darren: 00:28:20

The depictions of London pubs is spot on.

Paul: 00:28:22

It feels quite realistic, doesn't it?

Darren: 00:28:24

Film that and the amount they're all drinking, I was like, ah. I think it's almost me proud to be British.

Marc: 00:28:30

Yeah. It's almost romanticized. Americans love come to a British pub. Like, they've obviously.

Darren: 00:28:34

Yeah. But they can't keep up.

Marc: 00:28:35

Oh, no, no, no, no. I like the idea of a pub over there.

Darren: 00:28:38

And that's the English. Go to a freaking Scottish pub or an Irish.

Marc: 00:28:42

Irish. Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:28:43

The only time I've been to Ireland was for an Irish wedding and I nearly died.

Marc: 00:28:48

Oh, Irish wedding. Because it's not just a day, is it? It's a full. Like, full weekend or so it was.

Paul: 00:28:55

But you survived.

Darren: 00:28:56

I did survive.

Paul: 00:28:57

Peter Howard got the idea for the film after almost being hit by a car. He was late in meeting a friend and innocently walking along London's Charing Cross Road.

And he couldn't decide if he should run for the train or first call his mate at a public phone. And he impulsively dashed across the street and was nearly hit by a car. And that brush with death got him thinking about this whole.

Marc: 00:29:15

What if it could have happened?

Paul: 00:29:16

Yeah, what could have happened? But then it was the domino effects. That was the phrase I was trying to think of before. The kind of domino effect of life.

But it was seven years between that and the finished product. And between that there was like 20 script rewrites and lots of debt. And he says one nervous breakdown.

So it was kind of a passion project for him, by the sounds of it. Oh, I just wondered this.

Gwyneth Paltrow wore a brown wig in this film when she played Helen, who didn't get the train and didn't wear a wig when Helen did get the train. So the short hair was actually what she had. I wondered that if they filmed it in two parts or out of sequence

Marc: 00:29:50

and she didn't have to have a haircut.

Paul: 00:29:51

It was a wig after all. Yeah.

Sidney Pollock spent a lot of time in the editing room and he got very involved because it was a picture that required precise editing and yet to know where everyone was in the ENB story. So it sounded like he wanted to get in that and he felt like Peter needed some help.

So he worked pretty hard on that part of it and was able to make a contribution. Mini Driver was originally offered the leading role ahead of Gwyneth Paltrow. Because suppose Mini Driver at that point was quite big, wasn't she?

When was Gross Pump Blanca.

Darren: 00:30:17

I can't remember.

Paul: 00:30:18

Similar sort of time, I think.

Darren: 00:30:19

Good with Hunting as well. Should have been.

Paul: 00:30:21

That's right, yeah. The film director. I don't know. I've said this fact because I can't pronounce his name. Agnesica Holland. I think that's how you say it.

Polish film blind chance from: 1987

Marc: 00:30:42

Right, let's choose that Movie next, then,

Paul: 00:30:44

so Blind Chance,: 1987

The director, Peter Howard, has a cameo in the diner with the long hair and Liverpoolian accent, who orders from Helen on her first evening as a waitress. But there you go, there's a few facts.

Marc: 00:31:08

Thank you very much, Paul. Okay, that takes us on to hate it or rate it. So what do we think of the movie, Paul? It was your choice, so I'm going to go to you first.

Paul: 00:31:18

I hear what you're saying. I can feel Darren's hatred towards it, but he hasn't confirmed it.

Marc: 00:31:24

Give him a chance.

Paul: 00:31:25

Love it, who knows? But yeah, I still really like this film. There's things that really annoy me.

I think John lynch does overact when he's doing his Jerry thing, but maybe that is part of the way we hate him so much because he is so over the top with his unlikable and unlikable. And I'm like, oh, he just pushing it too far. He does what he's meant to do in it by making us hate him.

But the times I'm like, I just feel like he's pushing it too far,

Marc: 00:31:50

like, oh, my God.

Paul: 00:31:53

So that bit aside, because, like I say, that feels like it balances out a little bit with the guy in the pub. The bit that makes the film for me and why I'm still going to give it high rating after all these years. I haven't seen it for a long time.

It's very 90s. I like the soundtrack and all that kind of stuff going on. And I like John Hannah in it. I found it quite charming.

Although I now think, is he a sex pest on the shoe? Oh, isn't that how you meant to meet people? Just random. Anyway, moving on.

Marc: 00:32:18

No, you don't meet people in real life anymore, Paul.

Paul: 00:32:20

Yeah, I know, and it's. But the thing that makes the film for me, that always makes me jump it up is that end bit.

I think the end bit where the song kicks in, she's leaving the hospital, and just that very end scene where it's, you know what the Monty Python boy says, Nobody expects it.

And they both look at each other and then the doors slide and you kind of go, oh, it's still going to happen, but on this other timeline and the music's perfect for the scene. I think that's what makes it for Me. Because that's the bit that makes me believe in love and go, yes. So it might not have happened yet.

Maybe your fates haven't met yet, but they will. Yeah, that scene gets me. What am I gonna give it? I'm gonna give it an 8.

I still really like it and because it makes me think about parallel timelines and I reference it every other week.

Marc: 00:33:05

Isn't that technically sci fi?

Paul: 00:33:07

Well, that's another argument.

Marc: 00:33:09

I'll go next. I didn't enjoy it since movie that much. I thought it was interesting. I liked, I liked, I thought it was great premise. I like the casting.

I thought it was well shot. It's generally like an interesting premise but I just don't know.

I got bored in part of it and I just like if it was the sliding doors moment was about some bit more something a bit more, I don't know, high stakes or. I don't know, it just seemed not that important.

Paul: 00:33:29

That's the point though.

Marc: 00:33:30

It's just everyday life but some sort of life or death situation or high stakes, I don't know, I just. Okay. Find it. And both eventualities, both realities are quite negative.

It's only the one where they meet again at the end when you realize, oh, it might work out, but it's quite a negative movie. It doesn't deplete, it doesn't depict men in a very good way, which for the most part is probably fairly accurate. But I just.

Yeah, I just think, I was thinking what does Paul like about this movie? Because it's only really the very end where you realize, oh, it might work out but it's a, it's an up and down journey to get there.

Paul: 00:34:01

Yeah, it's a bit of a roller coaster.

Marc: 00:34:02

There's negatives on both, on both realities until. Until the end of one of them really.

Paul: 00:34:06

But I've seen it before so I know that's coming at the end.

Marc: 00:34:09

So for me it's the first time I was like, I just. Yeah, it didn't make me feel good. It made me feel angry a lot of the time. Disappointed in men and. Yeah. Damn them. Damn them.

Paul: 00:34:20

So it didn't make you believe in love?

Marc: 00:34:22

No. Yeah. That her boyfriend. Oh, he annoyed me so much. He's a tosser. But it's also a lesson to like if anyone's got a good thing going, don't it up.

Paul: 00:34:32

Very true.

Marc: 00:34:33

That's my. That's what? Yeah, I just, I. I ended that movie and I was annoyed. So I'm giving it a five.

Paul: 00:34:39

Okay.

Marc: 00:34:40

For that. Darren, over to you?

Darren: 00:34:41

Yeah, it was dull as I was bored. I remember, I remember it.

I remember kind of liking it back in the 90s when you had all these like Meg Ryan kind of romantic comedy and somebody Richard Curtis movies and stuff. But. And it's got to be, I mean the shout out that, you know, Sliding Doors has entered our lexicon. We mentioned that. And it's rare.

oundhog Day has and you know,: 1984

Like it does happen but the fact that, you know, this happened because I say Sliding Doors moments all the time and I have to chat with people. But do you have any clue what I'm talking about?

Paul: 00:35:20

I just say it and watch people look at me blankly like, never mind, it doesn't matter.

Darren: 00:35:23

It's like when you talk about Kaiser Soze and I'm like, what? That's insane. So yeah, I agree with what Mark's saying. It's dull.

It's interesting because we usually say that a first time director or second time director, if it's a passion project, they're usually better. Like with Nan and I and, and one loaded one and some of the other we've looked at. I don't think this guy's got the talent.

Yeah, he's an actor who is in Bread, but I don't think he's really made a good film. You know, Johnny English is, you know, popular, but I wouldn't say it's high art or anything. It's not particularly well made.

And for me there was just way too much exposition and unlikable characters and lack of chemistry. I don't believe their love. She was on the rebound after being cheated on. What she falls in love with in two weeks or something Crazy.

John Hander says I love you out of nowhere and I'm like, do you fuck? And also don't say it in that way. The exposition. I can't remember her friend's name. Was it Claire or something? Oh, Claire.

You know, as her best friend you should know where he is. Well, actually as her best friend, I'm not going to tell you where she. Yeah, I get it. You're the best friend. Okay, thank you for that.

Or what's the other thing she goes on about? She's like, you know, you've been sitting at home, I've been supporting your career fully while you apparently are writing a book.

Do we need to know that information? Like have a more interesting story for the guy? Like, is that what. Is that what you were doing. He was just.

So he was just sat at home pretending to write a book where you stole from a PR company that you worked for. Just tell him to go get a job so he's, he's at home all day. He could go buy the vodka.

Just call him and be like, hey, I really shouldn't steal this vodka from work. So can you just pop out to the shops?

Marc: 00:37:03

Yeah, it's not like they were piss poor and like living from check to check.

Darren: 00:37:06

Right.

Paul: 00:37:07

So do you remember being angry about the vodka thing when you first watched?

Darren: 00:37:10

No.

Paul: 00:37:10

No, I feel like this is the one that's got you this, like, fire immediately.

Darren: 00:37:14

Because I, you know, I, I was probably. I was younger then Paul, and, you know, I hadn't been divorced and broken hearted. 17.

Paul: 00:37:20

I know. Well, I was hoping this would build the, you know, belief in love again.

Darren: 00:37:24

You believe in love when, you know she's been cheated on and gaslit for most of it. Then she, A guy tells her that she loves her out of nowhere, on a bridge in the rain, and then she dies. I. It's like. And then, honestly, that whole.

We talked about this a little bit with the holiday, that whole fake laughing, like all around the table where he's again going on about the Spanish and they're all laughing like, oh, my God, he's. It's so funny. He's quoting the Monty Python. But less funny than the Monty Python guys do it.

Marc: 00:37:56

Yeah, I, I found this funny, this film, moderately funny, but not very romantic.

Darren: 00:38:00

Not romantic at all. And I didn't find it funny. And I was bored and I was pleased it ended and then she died and I was like, okay, yeah, I

Marc: 00:38:10

was struggling to find what's to like. Where's the positivity in this movie? What's to like about it?

Darren: 00:38:13

Like, the nurse is like, are you a husband? Oh, fiance. No, you met her two weeks ago. Why are you even in the hospital?

Paul: 00:38:23

Maybe, maybe you need to like melodrama a bit more for this one than I.

Darren: 00:38:26

And your mother's dying and your ex is still around. What the hell are you. This is a garbage fire of a relationship. Everyone's just traumatized and they all need therapy and they all need some space.

They all need to go and work on themselves.

Paul: 00:38:42

Yeah, now you're making it sound like you're probably right.

Marc: 00:38:46

Paul wishes he hadn't chosen it. Now, I think that about a lot

Paul: 00:38:49

of the ones that I think this, this was one they'll like, surely.

Darren: 00:38:52

No, we don't just choose stuff because you think we're going to like it.

Paul: 00:38:55

Well, if I choose stuff, I don't

Marc: 00:38:56

think you're going to, like, choose stuff that you like.

Paul: 00:38:58

Well, I do. I like this one.

Marc: 00:39:00

Fine. That's fine.

Darren: 00:39:01

I can see.

Marc: 00:39:01

Like it.

Paul: 00:39:02

I can't watch it ever again.

Marc: 00:39:03

I think it's a really interesting concept.

Darren: 00:39:05

It's a great concept.

Marc: 00:39:06

It's very unique in that respect. I think I like the casting of it.

Darren: 00:39:09

It's just dated a bit, even. There's a joke where I come in, book the setup. I just wrote down this line, but somebody says, see? Told you. Lesbian.

Marc: 00:39:18

Oh, yeah.

Darren: 00:39:18

That's such a 90s joke.

Paul: 00:39:20

I brought that down. Like, yeah, Tara's gonna pick that three.

Marc: 00:39:25

A three. Okay. I'll add that to the Legend League, see where it lands.

Darren: 00:39:30

That's really split us, all three of us.

Paul: 00:39:32

It's across the board a little bit, that one, isn't it?

Darren: 00:39:34

Yes. Yeah.

Marc: 00:39:35

of subservience and Superman: 2025

And just behind Con Air and How the Grinch Stole Christmas. It's actually tied with con air on 16.

Paul: 00:39:51

That's fine.

Darren: 00:39:52

I'd watch Con Air again in a heartbeat.

Marc: 00:39:55

No, actually, I think, given a few years, I would go back and watch this again because I might see it differently. Different things. I might get annoyed about different things.

Paul: 00:40:02

Yeah, you might get angry at different things. But at least, you know, there's the bit at the end where they.

Marc: 00:40:07

That's not enough. And even then, when they meet, what's to say? She's not gonna go. There's more to come.

Darren: 00:40:11

I think if I was watching it with, like, a girlfriend, and we could throw popcorn at the screen when Jerry's face appeared, it'd be, like, good.

Paul: 00:40:18

Boo.

Darren: 00:40:18

Like, if it was a fun, communal thing.

Paul: 00:40:20

Sounds good.

Darren: 00:40:21

That might be okay.

Marc: 00:40:22

Yeah.

Paul: 00:40:22

I'm never going to believe in love again. Okay.

Darren: 00:40:24

Yeah. You and I, we are finding love this year. We could have a joint.

Marc: 00:40:29

The listeners are going to help us, especially. Especially our local listeners. So that's what we thought of the movie.

We'd love to know what you thought and what you thought of this episode and your opinions. So if you send them in, we shall read them out on the show. That takes us on to part three, which is the listener lounge.

Darren: 00:40:43

Sweet.

Marc: 00:40:48

In the listen lounge, we have the lobby, where we have your questions, your stories and your comments. Then we ask our question of the week, and we finish off by revealing next week's movie.

So in the lobby, we've had an email from someone who we know called Pete Pemberton.

Paul: 00:41:01

Oh, we know Pete. Legend. Good man.

Marc: 00:41:04

So I'll apologize to him now because he sent this a couple of weeks ago. I missed it.

Paul: 00:41:08

Oh, yeah.

Marc: 00:41:09

Emails. I missed it. It just got lost in the.

Darren: 00:41:11

We get so many. I don't know how you keep track of.

Marc: 00:41:14

Well, we do get quite a lot. We get a lot of. From. From listeners, but we also get a lot from people trying to sell us things or book guests, even though we don't have guests.

People who clearly have never listened to the show. Lots of people trying to get us more followers and listeners. You know, usual. The usual bollocks. But anyway, Pete sent an email and it said, hi, guys.

I just want to drop you a quick email to say how much I enjoy your podcast. I listen every week without fail and always look forward to each episode. Your insights and passion for film really come through.

You guys have actually inspired me to start my own show. It's called the Silver Screen Sessions podcast. It's a fortnightly podcast where I review a single movie per episode.

And because I'm doing it solo, episodes are around 10 to 15 minutes, which keeps them punchy and focused.

I've already recorded all of season one, with episodes scheduled out until June 26th, and I've started planning season two and looking at ways to spruce it up a bit. Podcasting has definitely become a big hobby of mine. So thank you for your inspiration and the great content each week. Please keep up the good work.

You've got one, at least one listener who will. Who really appreciate it. All the best, Pete.

Paul: 00:42:12

Oh, that's awesome. Cheers.

Darren: 00:42:13

Yeah, that's totally cool.

Marc: 00:42:14

Very nice.

Paul: 00:42:15

And also, I must apologize, Pete, because I knew about his podcast. I've got it on my list of things to do, and I still haven't got there because I'm. I'm not big on actually listening to podcasts.

Marc: 00:42:23

I don't listen to it, but we

Paul: 00:42:24

will get on it, Pete. I promise I will get there.

Marc: 00:42:27

Thank you very much for that, Pete. So, on our socials, we asked if we did a bonus episode, what would it. What would our listeners like us to do? We got some suggestions.

Paul: 00:42:34

This could be dangerous.

Marc: 00:42:35

So Matt Adamson said the best movie trailers. Which movie trailers did a terrible job of selling?

I made a good movie look bad or a bad movie look good or which trailers just got it completely wrong? The more I've thought about that, I think there's some. There's some gold there, I think.

Paul: 00:42:48

I tell you what I miss about movie trailers. This is just in general. I miss Movie trailer voice. Man one man, one man, all of that stuff.

I watched a trailer for something from the 90s the other day, and he

Marc: 00:42:59

don't do like that anymore, do they?

Paul: 00:43:00

Oh, that's more like it.

Marc: 00:43:01

Will.

Paul: 00:43:01

It might have been for Sliding Doors. Will Helen get on the right path or whatever? I was like, yes. Will she find love?

Marc: 00:43:09

Will she die at the end?

Paul: 00:43:10

Right. Spoiler.

Marc: 00:43:12

But, yeah, some. Some trailers completely ruin it. Some. Some trailers give you the completely wrong idea of the film.

And you go halfway through the you film, you go, the trailer lied to me to get me here.

Paul: 00:43:22

The one I can think of the top of my head for that was one called and it's a film that 90% of people probably hate, But I kind of took something away from it called Downsizing.

Darren: 00:43:32

Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:43:33

With Matt Damon.

Marc: 00:43:34

I know of the film. I've seen it.

Paul: 00:43:35

So the trailer makes it look like this daft comedy, but then halfway through the actual film, it turns into more of a drama because the guy directs it, Alexander Payne, he does lots of different stuff.

Darren: 00:43:46

Election.

Paul: 00:43:47

Election. Yeah, that's right. And Sideways, things like that.

Darren: 00:43:49

I was thinking sideways.

Paul: 00:43:50

That was him as well.

Darren: 00:43:51

That's a great movie.

Paul: 00:43:52

So he does more drama things. But because the concept of it was about shrinking down, the trailer was all like, oh, it's kooky. It's kooky.

And then everyone gets halfway through the film and it sort of changes what it's about. And that was one for me that's like, yeah, the market really failed that one.

Darren: 00:44:05

They did that with Love and Other Drugs with Hathaway. Because that's a movie where Anna is

Marc: 00:44:11

a young woman who's in the bonus episode now.

Paul: 00:44:14

It's getting carried away.

Darren: 00:44:15

Parkinson's. And it's a movie about that.

And the trailer is like, Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway are going to find out that love and other drugs, complicated relationships, and it's this whole, like, romantic comedy.

Paul: 00:44:28

Well, there's two examples to get started on a.

Marc: 00:44:30

Like, go over the trailers for some of the movies that we've covered. Like, we know, like the Matrix.

Paul: 00:44:34

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:44:34

Or Jaws or How much does it give away in the trail? Does it really give you a true depiction of what we know the film is?

Paul: 00:44:40

Yeah. It's a good call, though. That could be a fun episode.

Marc: 00:44:42

Yeah. Thanks, Matt. Rob Walker says the best movie soundtracks I think we've done Some posts on that, but that was. I mean, that's highly debatable.

Darren: 00:44:49

It's Point Break.

Marc: 00:44:51

Yeah. It's a good point of debate, though it does open up a lot of conversation about that.

Scott Wigglesworth said behind the scenes, deep dives, extended trivia, interviews with writers, directors and actors. He wants us to start doing interviews now.

Darren: 00:45:04

I'd like to try and interview journalists. There's a guy, I don't know his name, he's really, really sweet and he goes around and takes photos and recreates scenes from films.

Paul: 00:45:14

Yes.

Darren: 00:45:14

Oh, yes.

Marc: 00:45:15

He did one on the beach, which was some kind of Star wars one. I can't what he did, but it was like old miniature. But it was just from his phone. He would just like move some sand around.

Darren: 00:45:22

Star Wars. But he's kept like film journals since he was like six or something crazy. And then he'll meet like Tom Cruise.

And every single time he's interviewed someone, he said, okay, I just have one more question. Someone off screen is like, no, no. And Tom would be like, no, no, he's good. And Denzel Washington's the same night. They, no, no, tell me. And he's.

Well, you know, I watched Mission Impossible when I was 12 and he's my.

Paul: 00:45:42

And he's the ticket stub. I follow him as well.

Darren: 00:45:44

He's the sweetest guy. And you know, he's, he's. I think he'd come on because I'd love to hear his story. But how? Because he's just a film fan like

Marc: 00:45:52

us and he's, you know, David Gillis says have the winner of the listener choice on the show to talk about their chosen movie. That'd be good for someone local. Definitely a possibility. Like, or they could, they could sit at the end of this desk as we go through their film.

We do the episode with them right in front of us.

Paul: 00:46:07

No, it's soul crushing. You don't want that.

Marc: 00:46:09

I mean, we could even do that as like, as a competition. It's a good idea. I like it. Alyssa Piazza. I don't know where this Alyssa is from, but Alyssa Piazza says the movies, everyone gets wrong.

So you pick five movies that are widely misunderstood and explain to people what they've missed about these movies.

Darren: 00:46:26

Off the top of my head, Starship Troopers and Fight Club and American Psycho

Paul: 00:46:30

and Sliding Doors and some weirdo called

Marc: 00:46:34

Paul Day message and said hotshots too.

Paul: 00:46:36

Oh, what a great idea. Darren would love that.

Marc: 00:46:40

Thanks, guys. Thanks for input.

Paul: 00:46:41

Thanks for that food for thought.

Marc: 00:46:43

Question of the week. Can you identify Your sliding doors moment. A moment where you feel one small decision may have changed the course of your life.

Darren: 00:46:51

I once had a girl, I was working in a bar and she was flirting with me. And her friends were like, after you finish work, come down to this club, we'll be there. And I did. And she wasn't there.

But her friends were still there. They were like, oh, my God, she's just left. I was like, no worries. And then she dropped it in a card at the pub I was. I worked at.

That was like a card. Honestly, I'm not this guy. But it was basically, the card was like, to a sex God. I was like, to the sex God. Here's my number. I'd love to meet up.

Marc: 00:47:20

Why did you leave then? When you told me to meet you there then.

Darren: 00:47:22

And I got too, like, intimidated because I was really shy and, you know, I didn't know, not like now. So I didn't. I did not call that number.

Paul: 00:47:30

Well, I was the same. There was same story, just different night. No, I almost got hit by a golf ball and was killed once. Yeah, it was like inches from my temple.

Darren: 00:47:42

So are you wishing that had happened?

Paul: 00:47:44

No, no, I'm just glad it didn't happen.

Darren: 00:47:45

It didn't happen.

Paul: 00:47:47

No. I'd be dead if it did. I'm just saying if I'd stood an inch to the left.

Marc: 00:47:53

Oh, this person had hid it slightly to the left.

Darren: 00:47:55

When I was at uni, they were advertising to jobs for like, runners or production assistants to work on Bargain Hunt. And it was in Birmingham. Not Birmingham. Maybe Birmingham or Bristol somewhere, beginning with B. And I was like, I'm not going to go work and bargain.

I'm going to be a filmmaker. Because I didn't realize how the industry was now. I could have worked my way up and all that kind of stuff.

And looking back, I said, if only I just had the courage to apply for that and go. That would have been the first job that would have led somewhere else. Would it? Somewhere else and who knows where.

Marc: 00:48:20

You thought it was beneath you?

Darren: 00:48:21

I did. And it was just dumb because it's

Marc: 00:48:24

a foot in the door.

Darren: 00:48:25

It's the industry, totally.

Marc: 00:48:26

Television, film.

Darren: 00:48:28

One of our ex students ended up working for a while for qvc. It was just like the Shopping Channel. But the Shopping Channel is where everyone who does that kind of format of TV goes to train.

They do it better than anyone else.

Marc: 00:48:38

A lot of TV presenters, you know, now probably started there or something like that. I had a sliding door moment when I was at college. My car I was meant to. I normally drove in. My friend normally walks.

Occasionally I pick him up, but he was always late, so I usually just go on my own. But my car broke down, so I thought, I'll walk with him. And he stepped out into the road and I saved his life.

Paul: 00:48:56

Wow.

Marc: 00:48:57

So if my car hadn't broken down, he might not be here now. He literally just. He wasn't paying attention.

He was mid sentence and his car was right there and I literally just grabbed him by the neck and just pulled him back. There you go.

Paul: 00:49:06

Well, see, Split. Split second stuff. Changing lives.

Marc: 00:49:10

So if you've got any stories like that, we'd love to know. Send them in and we'll read them out on the show. Okay, that takes us on to next week's movie. It's time to spin the wheel.

Paul: 00:49:19

Spin the wheel.

Darren: 00:49:20

Okay. I get nervous with this. What's the last time? It was a bit prestige.

Marc: 00:49:24

Was it the prestige?

Darren: 00:49:25

Yeah.

Marc: 00:49:25

Which was received very well.

Paul: 00:49:26

Are you more nervous at our choices or the wheel choices?

Darren: 00:49:29

Oh, the wheel choices.

Marc: 00:49:30

Okay, I'll read some of them out as I normally do. We've got. I mean, there's loads, but I'll read the first. Say 10 out. We've got Gone, Baby Gone.

Darren: 00:49:37

That's a quality movie.

Marc: 00:49:38

I've never even heard of that.

Paul: 00:49:39

I watched it once. Quite dark, isn't it?

Darren: 00:49:41

Very dark. It's directed by Affleck, I think.

Paul: 00:49:44

Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:49:44

Ben and his brothers in it.

Paul: 00:49:45

That's right.

Marc: 00:49:46

A movie called Tehran T. Hill.

Darren: 00:49:49

Never heard of it.

Marc: 00:49:49

Blue Velvet.

Darren: 00:49:51

Oh, sweet.

Marc: 00:49:51

That was recommended by Matt Bainbridge, who runs our favorite local cinema, the Alhambra.

Darren: 00:49:55

David Lynch.

Marc: 00:49:56

Diamonds Are Forever by Adam.

Paul: 00:49:58

Not my favorite bomb, but a Bond nevertheless.

Marc: 00:50:00

Solo. A Star Wars Story might be worth

Darren: 00:50:02

revisiting that one day. I watched it once and was not

Paul: 00:50:05

keen, but I didn't mind it.

Marc: 00:50:07

A B movie.

Paul: 00:50:07

Oh, with Jerry Seinfeld.

Marc: 00:50:09

Yeah.

Paul: 00:50:09

I'm down with that Bee movie.

Marc: 00:50:11

Yeah. The Revenant, DiCaprio, Caprio. Not seen that Highlander classic.

Darren: 00:50:15

That'd be cool because there's a remake coming out, isn't it?

Marc: 00:50:17

Yeah. Independence Day.

Paul: 00:50:19

Oh, I'll always watch that.

Marc: 00:50:20

Independence Day is Joe Lamb's new choice. After the procedures finally been chosen, he spent a year.

Darren: 00:50:24

Yeah, yeah. He's next on his first quest.

Marc: 00:50:27

Don't look up. Oh, yeah, that's the velocipasta, as always.

Darren: 00:50:32

Oh, my God. What is it with these people?

Paul: 00:50:33

Are they still throwing that in?

Marc: 00:50:34

Still, every week. One more. Remember the Titans?

Darren: 00:50:38

Oh, yeah. Is it Denzel Washington?

Paul: 00:50:41

Yeah, I think it's Denzel. I haven't seen it.

Marc: 00:50:43

Okay, here we go.

Darren: 00:50:44

I don't know which one I want. There's quite a lot of dark movies in there.

Paul: 00:50:48

Here Goes the Wheel.

Marc: 00:50:50

Oh, it's velocipasta.

Paul: 00:50:52

Oh, is that gonna be a dark movie?

Marc: 00:50:56

I have no idea.

Paul: 00:50:57

Isn't this the one that your students kept throwing in the mix?

Darren: 00:50:59

Yeah, they talk about it a lot.

Paul: 00:51:02

Okay. Why are you groaning?

Darren: 00:51:04

Is it.

Paul: 00:51:04

What. What are we looking at here?

Darren: 00:51:05

Okay, so. Okay, so it is on Prime. Well, it's on.

Marc: 00:51:10

It's on Prime. Yeah. I wouldn't. I don't add up to the list now if they're not on a streaming service.

Darren: 00:51:13

Totally. And from what I can tell, it's about.

About a reverend, like a pastor who somehow gets turned into a velociraptor and decides to fight crime or something. Now, that genre of movie doesn't necessarily bad because there's a low budget kind

Marc: 00:51:26

of horror kind of.

Darren: 00:51:27

Totally. And there's others. There's others.

Marc: 00:51:30

An Evil Dead kind of.

Darren: 00:51:31

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I think.

Marc: 00:51:34

Have you seen it?

Darren: 00:51:35

No.

Marc: 00:51:35

Okay. No, none of us have seen it. No, of course I have not seen it.

Paul: 00:51:39

Let's do this.

Marc: 00:51:40

So there we go. We don't know much about it. It's been on the. I mean, to be fair, they've been suggesting that fault months. Yeah, there's two people.

I bet it should suggest it.

Darren: 00:51:48

It's going to be one of those movies that's got 20 minutes of credits, which would be weird because I can't imagine many people worked on it.

Marc: 00:51:54

Okay, there we go. Next week's movie is Velocipasta, and it is on Prime. That does bring us to the end of the show. Thanks for listening.

We really do appreciate you taking time out of your busy lives to spend time with us. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend. Give us a rating review. Whichever platform, it really will help us.

I've come up with a new thing at the end of the show called this Just In. Okay, so this is a headline of a story I saw. Man quickly regrets the name of his new podcast.

Ammance came to the sudden realization he had chosen the wrong name for his podcast after receiving multiple messages from people complaining about the search results. It was a podcast about podcasting tips and advice for people growing their show. He named it Just the Tip.

Darren: 00:52:27

I was thinking that when you said this just in, I was like, that's the last thing you want to say when you have sex with the person for the first time.

Paul: 00:52:32

That's what she said.

Darren: 00:52:34

Like we're a newscaster. This just in.

Marc: 00:52:37

There we go. I like that. That cracked me up, that one did. So we might do something like every. If you. If you got.

If you two find something like that gives you a little giggle, we'll do it at the end of the show. Yeah.

Paul: 00:52:45

All right.

Marc: 00:52:45

Okay. So that means this show is officially over. This is Mark saying goodbye.

Darren: 00:52:49

This is Darren saying goodbye. For now.

Paul: 00:52:52

We're in pr. That's what we do, isn't it?

Darren: 00:52:54

Yeah.