Back To The Future II(1989) - Better Than Part 1?

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Even though when he did that last time, he nearly had sex with his mum.

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Okay.

Welcome back to the show.

This week we're discussing the first sequel we've ever featured on the show.

Back to The Future Part 2.

You were thinking about this.

You, you, you looking at me.

Last week we must have done some.

We.

Paul: 00:00:58

Must have done one.

But we haven't, have we?

Marc: 00:01:01

An out and out sequel.

Paul: 00:01:02

No, not an hour now.

We did, we did Glass Onion, which is technically kind of a sequel to the other one, but not a sequel.

Marc: 00:01:08

Probably washing standalone.

Yeah.

Whereas this is definitely part of a trilogy.

So this is science fiction adventure comedy about time travel, alternate realities and the consequences of changing the past.

Paul: 00:01:18

I feel like we should have run in and done a whole.

Mark, you've got to come back with me.

You know, replayed the end of our last episode as they do in the film.

Marc: 00:01:28

So: 1989

Directed by Robert Zemeckis, written by Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis.

Paul: 00:01:32

Same as the original.

Marc: 00:01:33

Yeah, yeah.

How do you, how do you describe this one without.

Imagine if someone hasn't seen it.

I mean there won't be many, but.

Paul: 00:01:38

And this is the bit where we go, where are we assuming they've seen Back to the Future part one or not.

Marc: 00:01:44

Why would someone.

Darren: 00:01:45

Yeah, why would,.

Marc: 00:01:46

Why would you go jumping?

Why would you jump in?

Paul: 00:01:49

I don't know.

Marc: 00:01:49

I mean this movie, this movie is alive.

Like it still lives on today.

Paul: 00:01:53

Oh, yeah.

Marc: 00:01:53

Oh, it's so much like, like the DeLorean rental that the, the Instagram account still.

It's massive.

They've got like multiple record replicas of it and they hire it out and they go to all the conventions and stuff.

Massive.

Paul: 00:02:06

I'd quite like to rent more of those for a.

Marc: 00:02:07

Weekend for your party or something like that.

People hire it for their like proms and stuff and they arrive in it.

Darren: 00:02:12

Even other cars.

Even if I'm Looking for a car.

Occasionally you'll see another one with.

They're called seagull wing.

Seagull doors.

And then it kind of open up.

Yeah, exactly.

Even just having that would be cool.

Marc: 00:02:23

Yeah, it's that sound as well.

Paul: 00:02:26

See, they don't make car parking spaces big enough.

Not.

Marc: 00:02:29

Now.

You cause a lot of damage.

Damage.

Paul: 00:02:31

That'd be so cool.

Marc: 00:02:32

Whoops.

Sorry.

Paul: 00:02:33

Yeah, just climbing in through the boot.

How.

Marc: 00:02:35

Do we not chill it, then?

Where we're going,.

Paul: 00:02:36

We're going to assume you've seen the original Back to the Future.

So we.

We basically.

Marc: 00:02:41

Yeah.

If you.

If you haven't, just go and watch it before you.

Because it's pointless.

This is pointless.

So we're assuming you've seen the first one.

Paul: 00:02:47

Yeah.

Okay.

And then it basically carries on from where the first one ended,.

Darren: 00:02:51

Which I love when movies do that.

When it's like.

Marc: 00:02:53

Literally.

Paul: 00:02:54

Literally the same scene as the end of.

Marc: 00:02:57

The.

Six Years later.

Paul: 00:02:58

No, no.

Darren: 00:02:59

They do that with Rogue One.

Paul: 00:03:02

Yes.

They.

Darren: 00:03:03

Do it with John Wick, I think.

Paul: 00:03:04

Yes.

I think they do keep.

They keep leading on to the next one, don't they?

They did it on a few of the bonds with the Daniel Craigs, actually, where.

Darren: 00:03:11

Oh, nice.

Paul: 00:03:12

Like Casino Royal.

The end.

The start of Quantum of Solace was like the next bit of that.

And they did a bit in that.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:03:18

So the first one ends with Doc going into the future, and this one begins with him coming back.

Straight back.

Paul: 00:03:23

Straight back to see.

So Marty's just had the first adventure in the first film.

Marc: 00:03:27

Yeah.

He's just took a breath.

Paul: 00:03:28

He just took a.

And he's like, oh, it's good to see Jennifer.

It's good to be home.

And then the Doc turns up again, throws them both in the car.

You know this.

It's not a spoiler because it's the end of the first film and they jet off into the future.

And that's where this one goes.

We go into the future.

Marc: 00:03:43

2015.

Darren: 00:03:45

Yes.

11 Years.

Marc: 00:03:46

Ago.

Darren: 00:03:47

Imagine how futuristic it's going to be.

Marc: 00:03:49

This has got Ready Player One vibes.

Paul: 00:03:51

It really does.

That breaks my heart that.

That's 11 years ago.

ke, oh, I've got to celebrate: 2015

Marc: 00:04:01

To resurface that.

Paul: 00:04:02

Yeah, I can dig that out somewhere.

The nutshell of it is they go in the future and then everything kind of transpires from there.

And it deals with all the stuff you said in your nutshell around the.

Marc: 00:04:12

Realities about the consequences of changing the future.

On the past.

Darren: 00:04:16

Yes.

Kind of like a sliding doors moment, kind of butterfly effect thing, isn't it?

It's kind of you small.

You change one small thing, and it just ripples out across eternity.

Paul: 00:04:25

Yes.

And,.

Marc: 00:04:26

Yeah, Sliding doors.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:04:27

Because something has changed in the past, which changes it into an alternate reality.

Darren: 00:04:31

Yeah.

Marc: 00:04:31

I wrote a sentence, so I keep forgetting this is touch screen.

I got to touch it, and it's actually touch screen.

Kept scrolling with my hands.

I like.

Amazing.

Anyway, with the past, present, and future all at risk, the characters must navigate a complicated chain of events where even the smallest change can have enormous consequences.

Paul: 00:04:46

That's a good nutshell.

And, of course, we rejoin a lot of the characters from the first film again.

But we might see future versions of them and past versions.

Marc: 00:04:56

All just alternate versions.

Paul: 00:04:57

Trained desperately not to give away too much of the plot in this bit.

But.

Marc: 00:05:00

This is worth a watch just for their depiction of the future.

Exactly.

Flying cars, gadgets, alternate timelines, like the family history kind of aspect of it as well.

Paul: 00:05:09

And some of it I feel they got right.

Like, there's some of the scenes where they're in Marty's future house.

I'm not giving spoilers here, but there's some of the gadgets and gizmos, which we'll talk about in the spoiler section, which is pretty much where we're at almost now.

Marc: 00:05:23

Some of it.

Yeah.

So.

Paul: 00:05:24

Some of it's pretty spot on.

And then no hoverboards, the one thing we wanted.

Darren: 00:05:28

Yep.

Marc: 00:05:29

So, yeah, it's about Marty having to go back and go to the future to put change.

Some things that have gone wrong.

Paul: 00:05:35

For his kids.

Marc: 00:05:36

Yeah, but they obviously changes have consequences, so.

Paul: 00:05:39

And Michael J.

Fox plays his own kids, which is amusing in itself.

Marc: 00:05:43

And doesn't he play.

Because Crispin Glover is not in this.

Paul: 00:05:46

No, he's not.

So.

Marc: 00:05:47

Doesn't he play his own dad?

No.

Paul: 00:05:48

Down.

I'll get into that later.

Okay,.

Marc: 00:05:50

We'll get to that.

Anyway,.

Paul: 00:05:51

That's a rabbit hole I'll get into later.

Marc: 00:05:52

So.

Yeah, we don't want to.

We don't want to break it down too much.

We've given you a feel of it.

Well, what any.

Is there any movies this could be compared to.

Darren: 00:05:59

Back to the Future one,.

Marc: 00:06:01

So if any were gonna say.

Darren: 00:06:02

That.

Paul: 00:06:02

Yeah,.

Marc: 00:06:03

There's nothing.

It's that good and unique.

It can't be compared to anything.

Paul: 00:06:06

It's a while since I've seen the Butterfly Effect, but that's probably a good call in terms of themes, in terms of changing things and alternate Time.

Marc: 00:06:13

Sliding Doors.

Not a similar film, but it has a similar.

The premise is similar about the, like split decision.

Things that you change can.

It could go one way, it could go another.

Paul: 00:06:21

It feels like I've watched an interview with Bob Gale, the producer, and Robert Zemeckis and they were both a bit like this.

Maybe Spielberg as well.

And they all said this is one of the occasions where we just thought it'd be amazing to kind of dip in and out of the original film in a way that other films couldn't, which you'll see sort of unfold in this film.

And it is.

It's quite unique in that sense.

There's not all the films that.

I mean, Terminators maybe kind of dipping out a little bit.

Yeah.

When you start going through the franchise of the 20th.

Darren: 00:06:53

Marvel have done it.

Marvel have.

Paul: 00:06:54

Done it.

Yeah.

But this feels like the blueprint.

Darren: 00:06:57

Oh, yeah.

Paul: 00:06:58

For what they did in Endgame or something like that.

One more, which is Elizabeth Shoes in.

This is Jennifer.

Darren: 00:07:04

I don't think people know who Elizabeth Shoe is.

Paul: 00:07:08

What.

Darren: 00:07:09

I mean, I do.

Obviously that's.

Marc: 00:07:11

The only change from the original Claudia Wells.

Paul: 00:07:13

Yes.

So Claudia Wells couldn't do it because I think she had.

Someone was ill in her family.

Her.

Marc: 00:07:17

Mum was really ill or something.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:07:19

So she had to step away.

Darren: 00:07:20

Actually they will do now because she's in Boys.

Paul: 00:07:22

Who's in Boy?

Oh, yes, Elizabeth Shoe.

Not Claudia Wells.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Elizabeth Chu is in the Boys,.

Darren: 00:07:27

Whereas we fell in love with her.

Probably Adventures in Babysitting.

Sometimes called Night in the Town.

Paul: 00:07:32

Or Karate Kid.

Darren: 00:07:33

Yeah, Karate Kid's another good one.

She's also in a phenomenal movie called Ah, Leaving Las Vegas with Nick Cage.

Paul: 00:07:40

Oh, I watched that recently,.

Marc: 00:07:41

So I couldn't really come up with an accurate meets.

I was on Reddit and the closest thing I saw was someone put Bill and Ted's excellent adventure meets the Terminator.

Darren: 00:07:51

It's more.

Marc: 00:07:53

I just put that because it made me laugh.

Paul: 00:07:54

Yeah, I kind of like that.

Darren: 00:07:55

Feels more like Bill and Ted meets Goonies.

Paul: 00:07:58

Oh, yeah.

Marc: 00:07:59

Yeah.

Okay, thank you, gentlemen.

That takes us into part two, the unboxing, as we said, from this point forward, if you haven't seen it, go and see it.

And then.

And you can join us because we are going to have some heavy spoilers from this point forward.

So what did you miss?

Who wants to go first?

Darren: 00:08:18

Well, the main thing that is also really relevant right now, Paul, tell me you know some facts about this because I haven't got any.

Paul: 00:08:25

Go on.

Darren: 00:08:26

Or alternate timeline.

Biff.

It's Donald Trump.

Right?

Paul: 00:08:32

Alternate time.

I'm just processing this.

I can see the light.

But where was Donald Trump in: 1989

Like, I don't think they were parodying him.

Darren: 00:08:41

It looks like him.

How have they done that?

And he owns a casino.

Is it like.

And he's a dick.

Paul: 00:08:48

Is it like the person's predicting the future kind of thing all over again?

Darren: 00:08:51

I think it is.

Like, the whole way he acted as well, and the misogyny and the fact that he then gives huge boobs to his wife.

And he.

Paul: 00:08:58

Does do that.

Darren: 00:09:00

Yeah.

I didn't want these things.

Marc: 00:09:03

For years.

I misheard those lines.

I thought he said, if you leave me, I'll cut your kit your tits off.

And he said your kids financially.

Cut your kids off is what he meant.

I always thought he said tits.

I was like, but she doesn't want them anyway.

I wasn't making sense.

But that was on me.

Paul: 00:09:21

That's what we missed.

Yeah,.

Marc: 00:09:22

That's what you missed.

That's what I.

Paul: 00:09:24

Missed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:09:25

And then he has, like a documentary about him, doesn't he?

Like, here's.

Is it a museum he's got?

Yeah, yeah.

So here's a museum to how amazing Biff Tanner is.

Paul: 00:09:33

I'm like the greatest guy in Hill Valley, right?

Oh, yeah.

I never thought of that until you said it, but it all fits in place.

Marc: 00:09:42

So this might go back to what you said, but what did Back to the Future to get right as in.

As a.

As a movie?

What did it get right as a sequel?

Darren: 00:09:48

Oh,.

Paul: 00:09:49

I just think as.

Marc: 00:09:50

A movie in general,.

Paul: 00:09:50

It's clever in the sense the comedy is probably broader in this one, I would say, than the first one.

So the.

The first one's very much the comedy of the situation of him and his mom.

And it's very family based.

And that's where the comedy comes from, the awkwardness of that.

Whereas this one, the comedy is a bit broader in the sense it's like Lorraine's giant boobs and Biff's museum of how great he is.

And everything's like the hoverboards and everything in the future is all a bit exaggerated.

This.

Marc: 00:10:18

All looks so very familiar.

Paul: 00:10:20

Yeah.

All this kind of thing.

It's a bit broader in the comedy, I would say.

Would you?

Darren: 00:10:23

Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

But I think the comedy moves closer to, like, Norbert or.

Yeah.

Big Mama's House.

Yeah.

The Nutty Professor.

Paul: 00:10:32

Yeah.

Especially because you've got Michael J.

Fox playing all these characters.

Marc: 00:10:37

Mama's House,.

Darren: 00:10:38

Dude.

Where's my car?

Marc: 00:10:40

But one of the things you already said it got right was carrying on exactly where the first one left off.

Darren: 00:10:44

Yeah.

I think that's always lush.

Yeah, that does well.

And I think there's a lot of fan service.

It's kind of.

I think you can.

It's got a lot of Easter eggs, obviously, but I think you can.

For the first time, watching it.

She'll just have a giggle.

Marc: 00:10:56

But.

But also, like, why is.

Obviously some people.

There's a debate which.

Which is better, the first or the second.

But why is it.

Why have they got it right?

Why is it such a good sequel?

Darren: 00:11:04

Oh, it's purely because of the characters.

That's it.

Right.

Like, you could.

Well, that's.

I would say it's.

Martin McFly is such a great kind of archetypal character.

Paul: 00:11:13

You just want to hang out with him, don't you?

Do.

Darren: 00:11:14

Just want to have an adventure.

There is a bit more of a dick in this, but I'll overlook it.

Yeah.

And Doc's, obviously.

I just.

Marc: 00:11:19

Love Doc.

Darren: 00:11:21

Like, they could have just kept this going all day long.

They could have gone back to the medieval times, like Bill and Ted.

Do you know, they could.

They could have gone to any point and it would be interesting.

Marc: 00:11:28

I would love to have a spin off of Doc's failed inventions.

Like, you just do that.

Although.

Darren: 00:11:32

Yeah.

Paul: 00:11:33

But then it's probably nice that they didn't overdo it and squeeze it dry.

And they said, no, this is the trilogy.

This is what it is.

I'm still dreading the day when.

Marc: 00:11:41

They want.

Paul: 00:11:41

Zemeckis and Gale.

Marc: 00:11:43

They won't, because they own it and they don't.

If they were going to, they would have done it by now.

Oh,.

Paul: 00:11:46

No.

Marc: 00:11:46

Time has passed.

They've got a tight.

Paul: 00:11:47

Reign.

Marc: 00:11:48

On it.

Paul: 00:11:48

They've got very tight reign on it, which is great because this is the sort of thing Hollywood.

Marc: 00:11:51

Would love to read.

Legacy could have been ruined.

Yeah.

Which has been a lot of.

Darren: 00:11:55

Things.

The pacing is good as well.

Like, at one point I had to jump up, so I paused it and I was like, Christ, I'm 50 minutes in already.

That's.

Yeah, that's got to be a good sign.

And it's because it keeps changing.

It keeps changing that timeline.

So it's like, hey, we're here now.

We're here now.

We're here.

And it does keep you.

And.

Marc: 00:12:08

It says something that you.

Obviously, you've seen it a lot of times and that's still happening.

The fact that you've seen that Film.

So many times you pause it, you have realized how far you in, you are into it.

Paul: 00:12:16

And also the other thing you might have missed is the fact that this was filmed back to back with Part three.

Darren: 00:12:24

I thought I forgot.

And while.

Because I didn't think people did that.

Lord of the Rings kind of put that.

Yeah, yeah.

But then I, as I was watching, I was like, man, there's so many clues that the next film is going to be in the Western.

And there's like clips from the outlaw Josie Wales and then there's this whole big thing.

And I was like, oh, that's so interesting.

And then I realized it just went straight.

Marc: 00:12:45

Did they do that because like scheduling and finances or.

Paul: 00:12:48

I think so.

Just the decided to all do it all at the same time and maybe.

Darren: 00:12:52

Logistics.

It's definitely cheaper to do it.

Marc: 00:12:54

Yeah.

Paul: 00:12:54

And they obviously Michael J.

Fox was massive at that point, so it was like nailing him down, I guess, with Christopher Lloyd to get that.

Darren: 00:13:01

Weirdly like, I love the guy, he seems really, really sweet, but he hasn't done that many good movies.

Marc: 00:13:05

Who,.

Darren: 00:13:06

Michael J.

Fox.

Paul: 00:13:07

There might be a reason for that.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:13:09

But he didn't get Parkinson's until much later.

Paul: 00:13:11

He got it early.

I've read his book and he got it earlier than you might think he got it.

But it.

Marc: 00:13:17

Didn't really get his life though, until much later.

Paul: 00:13:19

No.

When he was doing sp.

So he decided to do the TV stuff because it was easier to kind of mask it and things.

And in his book he talks about how he would take the drugs.

So when they recorded the letter.

Marc: 00:13:31

Kick in just at the right time.

Just.

Paul: 00:13:32

Kick in at the right time.

And he kind of masked it for a while.

And I think by the time Charlie Sheen did the final couple of seasons or whatever, that's when he was struggling with it.

So he did TV stuff a bit more instead.

But I know what you mean.

But I think it.

If he hadn't done that, he might have grown with sort of his choices and things,.

Darren: 00:13:51

I'm sure.

I think.

I thought Teen Wolf was kind of shelved and they weren't going to release it and then this blew up.

Because I think Team Wolf before this,.

Paul: 00:14:00

Possibly, I think it was all similar time.

Darren: 00:14:01

And then they released it.

Okay, get it out there.

And then Doc Holliday, which I'd seen the Frighteners, that's kind of it.

Paul: 00:14:07

See, the Frighteners was one of the few he did when I think he was still struggling a bit.

I think that was like one of his last Big.

But it.

Marc: 00:14:15

Must have.

Must have curtailed his career.

Definitely.

Because as he got older, it just gradually got worse.

Darren: 00:14:19

Why is it, do you think, that we're programmed or it feels like we're programmed to look at people with more than us and have jealousy, but not look at people with less than us, less than us and feel grateful?

Marc: 00:14:30

I don't.

I tend to have more envy than jealousy.

Darren: 00:14:33

How would you differentiate?

Well,.

Marc: 00:14:34

Jealousy can be more negative.

Darren: 00:14:36

Sure.

As.

Marc: 00:14:37

Envious as you.

I would like that.

But jealousy is more like you want.

You want them to fail, you want to not succeed.

I want that.

I don't think they should have that.

I want.

It was envious.

I like.

I like what they've done.

Inspires me to do what they've done.

Paul: 00:14:49

Yeah.

It's a good distinction of the two.

Because you just talk about Michael J as well, though.

I've just remembered bits of his book are popping back in my head.

So obviously we're in spoilers on.

So when he had to refilm scenes that he'd already done in part one, in Part two, he talks in his book about how physically it was only like two, or what was it, 89, 85 years later, four or five years later, when he was filming them scenes again.

And he said the actual concentration and everything else, the physicality was just massively different.

He said it really, you know, took it out of him.

And he was just redoing the same scenes.

Darren: 00:15:27

And he's leaping over fences and stuff in this.

Oh,.

Paul: 00:15:30

Yeah,.

Darren: 00:15:30

Yeah.

Marc: 00:15:30

Carbonates.

Darren: 00:15:31

Yeah.

Paul: 00:15:32

Yeah.

It's the very physical movies when you look at it.

Darren: 00:15:35

Yeah.

Paul: 00:15:36

So it's great that he managed to do them, I suppose, before his symptoms got worse, as he progressed with his Parkinson's.

But.

Yeah, so it's not something you missed to something that behind the scenes is interesting, isn't it?

And Back to the Future one, which we discussed on that episode, you know, he was filming Family Ties during the day and he's doing that at night.

And.

Marc: 00:15:56

It wasn't such.

Under a tight schedule this time.

Paul: 00:15:58

No,.

Marc: 00:15:59

But he was doing two.

Two of them back to back,.

Paul: 00:16:00

So still grueling.

And this one is probably the technically clever film, isn't it?

In terms of effects, it's very Industrial Light Magic, ILM heavy.

There's hoverboards going on.

There's a documentary hosted by Kirk Cameron.

Why do I remember this?

Where he talks about the hoverboards to Robert Zemeckis.

And Robert Zemeckis, apparently in a TV spot, just went along as if they were real.

And all the kids got excited being like, oh, the real.

So in this documentary he kind of revealed that.

Oh yeah, I was just kidding about that.

It went.

We went through a lot of different movie effects to make them look real.

And it is interesting.

Like in now: 2026

Like they still look like a real thing.

Whereas if they did hoverboards now it'd probably be very CGI and you know, they wouldn't look as real.

Marc: 00:16:51

I thought it was quite clever or difficult how they've incorporated the first movie into the second one.

Like the dual layer of that.

Paul: 00:16:57

Yeah.

Marc: 00:16:58

Looking at going.

Must be quite a logistic like difficult thing to plan out and recreate certain scenes and put the original footage to make it.

Because some of it was.

Some of it was recreated, wasn't it?

Paul: 00:17:07

Oh yeah, very much so, yeah.

They filmed the whole thing but from a different angle.

So I guess nowadays you could have probably used the original film and I mean there is clips of the original film in this but nowadays you probably could have done something cool with AI and CGI and figured that out.

But they had to literally recreate it.

It's the sort of movie making that back in the day probably was a lot more complex.

But it still holds up today, doesn't it?

Marc: 00:17:32

Paid.

Paul: 00:17:32

Off.

So.

Marc: 00:17:33

They got some things right.

So the.

The video calls when he gets fired, the faxes and all that.

That was ahead of its time.

That's become common thing now.

What else was there?

Had some wearable technology.

They haven't got quite.

Got the jackets, the auto.

Auto mine, track it jackets.

We.

Paul: 00:17:49

Haven't got the trains yet either with the self power laces.

Cool.

Marc: 00:17:52

Oh yeah, that would be cool.

Paul: 00:17:55

I thought of the pizza, the dehydrator one where they put like the mini pizza and it goes bigger.

We haven't quite got that.

Marc: 00:18:00

Oh, that would be my favorite thing if they did that.

Paul: 00:18:01

But I only just got an air fryer the other week and that's a revelation in itself.

Marc: 00:18:05

Have you just got one?

Paul: 00:18:06

Only just got one.

So I'm like this is like the thing off Back to the Future.

I'll.

Marc: 00:18:10

Send you some tips.

Paul: 00:18:11

Okay.

Please do.

Marc: 00:18:12

Well.

Oh, thumbprint recognition.

Darren: 00:18:15

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Marc: 00:18:16

That was.

That wasn't.

Oh,.

Paul: 00:18:17

Facial recognition.

When she scans.

Oh,.

Marc: 00:18:19

The police officer scans.

Yeah, yeah.

That's.

Paul: 00:18:21

One hell of a face mask.

Facelift.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:18:24

And the hoverboards and the cars.

Yeah, not.

Paul: 00:18:25

Not quite that.

Elon's working on it.

I don't think there's much else we missed.

Other than, like Darren says, there's lots of hints to part three.

Like the.

The thread that runs through the two films is the whole.

You don't call him chicken.

Yeah.

Or in the third, you don't call him yellow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then that's kind of all resolved.

I did laugh because.

So the other thing you might missed is if you've turned off just as soon as it says to be concluded, there's like a little teaser trailer for part three.

Marc: 00:18:54

Oh, yes.

And I was in the cinema.

Paul: 00:18:56

Yes, that.

Marc: 00:18:57

Was in the cinema when you were watching the end.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:18:59

Because it's like, come next year and see the final part.

And I laughed because we're all so precious about spoilers nowadays, aren't we?

Like, oh, don't spoil it.

And don't show this and don't show.

And you watch that little 2, 20, 30 second clip.

Marc: 00:19:13

And it's.

Paul: 00:19:13

Like, oh, well, let's give that bit away.

And it's give this bit away.

But no one seemed to care back then because they wanted to see the story.

But.

Marc: 00:19:19

Also that would have been really good for the filmmakers and hugely impactful to have the trailer because the film's already made or pretty much almost right at the end of the second one.

That would be like, no, whoever does.

Who does that?

Paul: 00:19:31

This.

So this is a film that I have no notes.

No notes.

But.

But I've literally seen that many documentaries about futures.

Marc: 00:19:41

I'm so kind of similar.

I've got some.

But like, I'm.

Yeah,.

Paul: 00:19:43

Yeah.

Darren: 00:19:44

He loves it a great deal and he's terrified I'm going to say something negative like I did with Jurassic Park.

So I'm going to keep talking.

So Darren can't get a word.

Marc: 00:19:52

That's.

That's a him issue.

He needs to get better at that.

Paul: 00:19:55

What?

Marc: 00:19:56

Dealing with criticism about a film that you didn't even.

You know, it's not exactly.

He made it.

Darren: 00:20:01

Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:20:02

I'm sure he slagged off one of your favorites at some point,.

Marc: 00:20:04

But I don't care.

Darren: 00:20:05

Yeah, he didn't.

Paul: 00:20:06

You should care.

Yeah.

So you take that personal.

Jurassic park and Ghostbusters, though, that's just criminal.

Anyway, the other thing you might have missed, we might as well go down the George McFly rabbit hole while we're here.

Marc: 00:20:18

Oh, Crispin Glover.

Paul: 00:20:18

Crispin Glover.

So this is a big rabbit hole and you can watch interviews with him and you can watch interviews with Bob Gale and you can get both sides of this story and be like, what's going on here?

But basically he demanded more than they were willing to give.

Marc: 00:20:33

He also had ideas for the character that they were like, no.

Yeah, he really.

What he thought.

What did he say?

He thought the second one should be more of a satire or something.

He had ideas about the character.

Get ideas above his station.

They were going, no, we just rewrite it.

You act it.

Paul: 00:20:49

Yeah, he has lots of artistic ideas.

And, yeah.

Eventually, I think it just.

Negotiations broke down, and he was like, nope.

And they were like, fine.

So then they used footage from part one, which I don't think he was too happy about.

And I think that was a lawsuit going on somewhere.

And I watched in the credits, it does say.

Don't know if it said this originally, but it says George McFly footage from back to the Future Crispin Glover.

So whether that's been added since.

I don't know whether that was in the original credits.

So another guy called George Weissman, I want to say, was brought in with prosthetics and stuff to kind of play George in the scenes that wasn't.

Christian.

Marc: 00:21:31

Glover have much of a role in this one.

So.

Paul: 00:21:33

And that's why.

So when they lost George McFly, they were like, oh, crap, what are we gonna do?

I.

Marc: 00:21:38

Don't have to change the script.

Then.

That's.

Paul: 00:21:39

What they did.

So that's why he's murdered in it.

Marc: 00:21:42

Ah, right.

That's.

Paul: 00:21:43

Why George McFly ends up murdered.

Because they didn't have Crispin Glover.

Yeah.

So therefore they kept his part to that minimal bit and they had him hanging upside down to kind of mis.

Distract you from the fact.

Marc: 00:21:53

It worked with the alternate reality angle.

Yeah.

Him killing him.

Paul: 00:21:57

Well, that became, like, the driver of it all.

And I think originally it was a different storyline, but then when they couldn't get Crispin Glover, they rewrote that bit to Judge McFly murdered.

And that kind of propels that next bit of the film.

So there's lots of interviews again of Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis talking about that and Crispin Gloving going down the rabbit hole of not being very happy about any of it, and the fact they used his likeness and things, because I think he then thought that people thought that was him.

Marc: 00:22:21

So.

Paul: 00:22:21

When he's like, oh, I was on the golf course and he's hanging upside down.

Crispin Glover might just have been pissed off that people thought that was him, but it's not.

So.

Yeah, it's a whole.

It's a whole.

Marc: 00:22:31

Thing.

Must regret that.

Paul: 00:22:32

Don't know.

He has mixed feelings.

I've seen various Interviews where it's all a bit.

I think it all broke down.

But it's a shame because it's a bit like.

I like continuity when they hold the characters through and it always is a bit jarring when they recast.

So.

Marc: 00:22:47

I do like the angle of the sports almanac.

The effect that that one small object has on the whole.

That's kind of the crux of part two, really, isn't it?

Is about the changes that can have.

Like it's not.

The grass is not always green on the other side.

Like, yeah, Biff's.

Biff's having a great time, but the rest of the world's not because of him.

Paul: 00:23:02

Wish I could go back in time, put some money on the Cubbies.

Marc: 00:23:05

Yeah, it's like kind of agreed angle, isn't it?

So that was quite good for.

Paul: 00:23:08

The guy who says that, by the way, about going back in time.

And I put some money on the Cubbies.

Yeah.

That's Charles Fleischer who does the voice of Roger Rabbit, who obviously worked with Robert Zemeckis on Roger Rabbit.

Darren: 00:23:21

Nice.

Paul: 00:23:21

And there's a Roger Rabbit in the old.

Next to the almanac when he's looking in the window.

There's like a little.

So lots of Easter eggs, like in jokes and stuff as well.

Is there any themes in it?

Other themes?

Like greed's a good one.

So any sort of.

I.

Darren: 00:23:35

Mean, greed is a major one because Jennifer and Marty are kind of materialistic and it's kind of interesting because in the first one his life's okay.

But when he finishes that adventure, he's got a brand new massive Toyota pickup and his parents house is better.

They're more affluent.

So he's gone from being like average to like maybe someone from like middle class to upper middle class.

Still.

That's not enough.

Yeah, it's better one more like make.

Make some bets.

We could be rich.

Yeah.

It's like, dude, yes.

This today you have just jumped up like a class structure and that's not enough for you.

Marc: 00:24:12

Yeah.

You should be content.

Darren: 00:24:14

Yeah.

Paul: 00:24:14

Maybe that is the underlying lesson of the trilogy.

By the end time he gets to the end, he learns that it's not about materialistic stuff.

But.

Darren: 00:24:21

Then also he doesn't mind potentially gambling with the space time continuum, even though when he did that last time, he nearly had sex with his mu.

Marc: 00:24:31

There's the opening line.

Paul: 00:24:32

There's the opening line.

Yeah.

Every time.

He always gets one.

Marc: 00:24:36

That is good.

Okay, I think we'll leave it there.

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

That takes us Into Paul's Futuristic Facts of the Day.

Paul: 00:24:45

Futuristic Facts of the Day.

I already feel like I've thrown a lot at you already.

Here we go.

So this expands a little bit on what we're saying about Michael J.

Fox and his kind of motor skills getting worse.

So it was filmed at the same time as Back to the Future Part three.

And it was claimed at the time that in the four years since Back to the Future, Michael J.

Fox had forgotten how to ride a skateboard.

However, motor skills are not so easily lost as in riding a bicycle.

So Michael J.

Fox has since stated that this was an early symptom of his Parkinson's disease, although the medical diagnosis was not actually made till 91.

And he talks about that in his book.

It's like he didn't realize that something was really wrong.

But when he started filming them similar scenes and struggling.

Marc: 00:25:24

Realize the difference.

Paul: 00:25:25

Because he's still young at this point.

It's.

Marc: 00:25:26

Not like he's in his 20s.

Paul: 00:25:27

Yeah.

It's not like he's.

He.

Marc: 00:25:29

Was young to get Parkinson's then.

Paul: 00:25:31

Very young.

Wow.

Very young.

He got it.

I think he woke up with like a twitching finger.

Marc: 00:25:35

Yeah, one of his fingers.

I remember that.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:25:37

So did you, any of you spot Frodo?

Darren: 00:25:40

Yeah, I did.

Oh, so little.

Was so cute.

I just wanted to grab his cheeks.

Was he playing the arcade machine?

Paul: 00:25:46

That's right.

Darren: 00:25:46

Well, you mean you've got to use your hands.

Marc: 00:25:49

What's his name?

Paul: 00:25:49

Elijah Wood.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So that's his first film appearance.

Marc: 00:25:53

It's like a baby's toy.

Paul: 00:25:55

To think he would.

Darren: 00:25:55

You are a baby.

Tiny,.

Paul: 00:25:58

Tiny Frodo.

So according to Michael J.

Fox, he found out there was going to be a sequel to Back to the Future.

When he watched the VHS version and the words to be continued were added at the end, he immediately called his agent to make sure he was going to be in the sequel.

Marc: 00:26:12

Can you imagine.

Paul: 00:26:14

What.

Because originally.

So they changed so on video yet I've got it on video and it does say to be continued at the end of one.

Since they've re released it on Blu Ray and all the 4Ks and everything, they took that off again.

So it's more like it was in the theater where the DeLorean goes at the thing and it just ends.

But yeah, so imagine being Michael J.

Fox and seeing that line.

What?

What the hell?

the Future is still broken in: 2015

Marc: 00:26:43

This there's.

Paul: 00:26:44

A.

Marc: 00:26:44

Touch was something I forgot to say.

I, for years, did not realize the.

The clock preservation people were not campaigning to fix the clock.

They were campaigning to keep it exactly as it was.

Yeah, I never realized that for years, until probably a couple of years ago when I watched it once.

I was like, oh, yeah, they want to preserve it.

Exactly.

It's not a restoration society.

It's a preservation.

Paul: 00:27:06

Yeah.

Marc: 00:27:07

I was like, oh, I'm just an idiot.

Paul: 00:27:09

That's why the broken ledge is still there, I guess.

So.

Robert Zemeckis originally didn't want to do a movie taking place in the future because he felt that every time a movie takes place in the future, it's mispredicted, so he didn't want to do that.

But I guess they decided, let's do it.

Marc: 00:27:24

Convinced.

Paul: 00:27:24

Him.

Yeah,.

Marc: 00:27:25

He's probably his partner.

Probably convinced him.

Paul: 00:27:27

Probably.

Just do it.

Okay, here we go.

Let's get into the crispy Crispin Glover rabbit hole.

So he sued the.

Sued the filmmakers as he had not granted permission to use his likeness in the film.

He ended up dropping the lawsuit after the case was settled out of court for $765,000 by Universal's insurance company, who decided it would be cheaper to pay Glover than to go to trial.

The Screen Actors Guild subsequently introduced new role rules around illicit use of actors.

So this is interesting, especially nowadays where we're seeing AI.

Marc: 00:28:03

Versions of people,.

Paul: 00:28:04

And it's like, where does that end?

I watched clip of Seinfeld the other day.

That doesn't exist.

Where George and Jerry are on about AI and it looks so realistic, it freaked me the hell out.

So where does that end?

I don't know.

Is this.

There's going to be more lawsuits, surely, eventually.

Because at the moment, it feels like it's the Wild West.

I'm seeing people make their own Star wars sequels.

I.

Marc: 00:28:28

Was gonna say people could make their own Seinfeld episodes.

Paul: 00:28:30

This is it.

Marc: 00:28:30

Yeah.

So.

Paul: 00:28:31

And.

And they're starting to get to that.

But, you know, there's still a bit like, oh, you can tell they're off, but they're getting what?

We're only in a few years into this, and we're already at a point where are we going to be able to say, I want to see the Eric Stoltz version of Back to the Future.

Type it in, and it just does it.

Wow.

But it's not Eric Stoltz.

It's AI.

So it's a little bit scary.

Griff's Pitbull hoverboard was originally to be called Mad Dog to foreshadow his ancestors set to appear in Back to the Future Part three, which would have made sense.

They must have decided to change it so it didn't give it away.

I guess.

This was the most advanced film of its time for using every trick in the book.

Got it.

Robert Zemeckis.

This is the late: 1980

So this film only uses very few CGI effects.

So it was still very much models.

And now.

So they'll have done models and opticals and matte paintings and.

Marc: 00:29:22

It's meant for the flying cars and stuff.

Wouldn't have been.

Paul: 00:29:24

Yeah.

And I've seen the behind the scenes of them doing the hoverboard thing and.

Yeah, they're on wires filming at funny angles to make it all like the flying.

They did.

Marc: 00:29:33

A great job.

Paul: 00:29:34

Really.

Yeah.

They threw everything at that to make it work.

Doc mentions to Marty that he visit visited a rejuvenation clinic in the future to make him appear younger.

d primarily be portraying the: 1985

This is something you notice in that first five, 10 minutes, the writers do what the writers tend not to do now, where they kind of address all the loopholes.

Marc: 00:30:05

Have.

Paul: 00:30:06

You noticed this?

Yeah.

So.

And I've seen this on the behind the Scenes with Bob Gale and Robinsoncas.

Oh, God, I must have devoured all the documentaries back in the day.

But the whole idea of that save him going through makeup.

But they actually just say it only like, oh, yeah, I've had a skin thing.

The other thing is, like, why did you put Jennifer in the car?

And the fact that you say it.

Because the writers were thinking the same, like, well, we did it at the end of one.

Yeah.

So now she's in the car.

So we have to kind of address that.

Yeah.

So that's why they kind of knock her out and then bring her in at the store.

Then she.

Marc: 00:30:36

Ends up being part of the story anyway.

So.

Paul: 00:30:37

That's what they did.

But he actually asked the question, like, well, why'd you bring her?

She saw the car.

I don't know.

Marc: 00:30:42

So this could have been a very different movie if they hadn't put Jennifer in the car and Crispin Glover had been in it.

Paul: 00:30:47

Yeah.

What do you call it?

The movie Godstar.

Darren: 00:30:50

Absolutely.

It's what Guillemotor speaks of.

Paul: 00:30:53

It.

Marc: 00:30:53

Was meant to be.

Darren: 00:30:54

Yeah.

Paul: 00:30:55

So after production wrapped, Leah Thompson took home the prosthetic.

rraine's breast implants from: 1985

And she didn't want it falling into the wrong hands.

I can't beat that one.

There you go.

Let's finish on that one.

Marc: 00:31:12

Excellent.

Thank you very much, Paul.

That takes us swiftly into Hate it or rate it.

So it was my choice, so I will go first.

And I love this movie.

It's one of my favorite movies.

I actually like it better than the first one.

Just.

Just a smidge.

Just a smidge.

But I love everything about it.

The characters are charming.

The movie is charming.

It's clever, it's funny.

It's the pa. Like Darren said, the pacing of it.

I think until you said that, like.

Yeah, there's.

There's no part of it where I think I dips there.

I could do something there.

It's just.

Yeah, the layers of it work perfectly.

There's enough going on in either direction to keep you thinking.

Especially when you have.

If you're not familiar with it as well, like now, but you imagine if you could go back and, like, unwatch it.

There's a.

There's a lot.

There's a lot going on where you feel like you need to watch it again, which is.

Which is a credit to it.

Yeah, I just think the effects for the time were great.

It holds up in the effects and the storyline holds up, and the flow of the.

All three of them really flow well together.

So I'm gonna give it a 10.

Paul: 00:32:14

Oh, it's.

Marc: 00:32:15

A 10 from me.

Paul: 00:32:15

You don't crack out the 10 that often.

Marc: 00:32:17

Not very often, but it gets a 10 from me.

Who wants to go next?

Paul: 00:32:21

Go for it, Paul.

Okay.

Do I like it more than the first one?

I feel like the first one exists in this beautiful bubble.

But do I love it still?

Yes.

Yes.

It's an amazing film.

It's a really clever film.

It.

The more I watch it, the more I go.

It's a really clever film.

On.

Marc: 00:32:43

The surface, it seems quite.

Quite a simplistic movie.

Yeah.

Paul: 00:32:45

We've got the future, and then there's this, and it's kind of a caper, isn't it?

You know, it's back and forth and.

But I love the bit where.

And I think I appreciated this the older I got where it.

They do the whole alternate timeline thing because, like you said, it's been done in Avengers and all these different other things now.

But back then, that was like, oh, an alternate timeline.

And the bit where he describes it on the board that, you know, we've now skewered into this alternate timeline.

So we have to go back to the past.

Marc: 00:33:12

That was a good visual.

What do they call that thing with it?

It's like a vehicle to explain to the audience as.

Paul: 00:33:18

Well.

Yeah.

It's like,.

Marc: 00:33:19

What's going to happen?

Because otherwise it'd be quite complicated for them to.

Paul: 00:33:21

Little explain a scene.

And I think this is what I'm trying to think of in the interviews where they were gonna go back somewhere else in time.

But I think it was Spielberg who said, how cool would it be if we went back into the original film?

Because how many times can you do that in a film where you then look at it from a different angle?

Marc: 00:33:39

That's true.

Paul: 00:33:41

And again, they kind of do it as this flippant line.

Like, what are the chances of it being this same day?

Like.

And they take the piss out of it a bit.

Like, it could be a massive coincidence or it could be the whole fate of time rests in this point.

So that's quite funny in itself.

Every time there's a bit of a.

Wait a minute.

Is that a bit.

It's like they kind of take the piss out themselves with it.

So I like all that bit.

And then I like the fact it all propels you into three.

And there's all the.

And again, Hoverboards, man.

Like, come on.

Just.

Just them scenes alone.

I always feel like them scenes last longer in my head than when you watch in.

It's all quite quick and quite cool because my favorite scene in the first film was probably the skateboard scene as well.

I've waffled on far too much on this episode, so I'm just gonna give it 10 and move along because I don't think.

Marc: 00:34:27

Wow,.

Paul: 00:34:27

You're not gonna let me.

I can't give Back to the Future films less than a 10.

I know.

It's a spoiler for part three as well, but, yeah, screw it.

This is one of my favorite trilogies.

It's great.

I love the fact it sits there and they haven't meddled with it yet.

Darren.

Oh, good God.

He's gonna crush my dreams of childhood.

You won't care, Mark.

But.

Darren: 00:34:47

I'm really sorry.

I don't know what happened, but, yeah, I didn't enjoy it.

Marc: 00:34:51

At all.

Darren: 00:34:52

Not really.

You.

Marc: 00:34:53

Told me that you got to 50 minutes and you were like, you paused it at 50 minutes.

Wow.

And.

Paul: 00:34:57

You.

You said, I think this one might be better than the original one before you watched it.

Darren: 00:35:01

Did I?

Paul: 00:35:02

Yeah, at the end of the last episode.

Darren: 00:35:03

So wrong.

I Actually thought this was the western one.

Paul: 00:35:06

Ah, okay.

Darren: 00:35:07

Which I've got fond memories of, but I don't know how good it would hold up if I watched it now.

I just thought it.

Like I was saying, it's a.

It's too broad a humor.

It goes into the realm of humor.

I don't like.

And it's.

And I just think like the old age makeup is.

It just takes me out the movie and they're little, acting like this frail, like, oh, I'm an old lady.

It's like when toddlers pretend to play grannies or something.

Paul: 00:35:32

I did think that when that came on, to be honest.

Like, oh, why have you got.

Yeah, this, this old thing here, right?

Darren: 00:35:39

It's like, what are you doing?

Don't do that.

And then Michael J.

Fox being the sister, I was like, oh, that's looks kind of cringe.

It's like, what are we saying here?

What are we doing?

I don't.

I don't get it.

Just hire some poor actress who's out of work and let her do the job.

But.

Paul: 00:35:53

He was Nutty professor and before the Nutty Professor.

Darren: 00:35:55

Yeah, exactly.

That's the vibe of it.

And then it just felt spoon fed in parts.

Like that bit you were talking about with the gambling.

And he's like, oh, I wish I would could go back in time and blah, blah.

He's like, oh, what did you say?

It's like, no, we.

No, it's.

No, no.

As soon as we saw that almanac, everyone had the idea about going back in time and taking a bet.

You don't need to explain it again.

And then it was like when it gets stuck on the hoverboard, it's like, hey, loser, whatever.

Hoverboards don't work on water unless you have power.

It's like, we literally have seen the hoverboard not working on water.

You can, you don't need to tell us.

We can see with our own eyes that the hoverboard is not moving.

And we can assume that that thing with the fire coming out of the back has power.

So.

But.

Paul: 00:36:40

Then you wouldn't have got the delivery of that guy, say, because you need power in that really weird voice.

Darren: 00:36:45

Yeah, maybe he needed a speaking line too, so we could join the union or something like that.

Maybe.

So someone gave him a favor.

Then it was like when Doc explains the newspaper again, like, oh, my God, Marty, this means that the Feudalist.

Yeah, you said that in the first movie.

We, we know, we know that when the timeline rewrites newspapers or photos change.

Like, we get that.

And then they kept doing it, Paul.

It kept doing it because, like, old Biff is listening.

He's behind the door, and he's listening to Doc and Marty talk about how Doc has built a time machine and that he's.

You can't go around time changing stuff, so once they return to their time, he's going to destroy it.

Then old Biff comes out the door and he's like, oh, so Doc built a time machine.

What?

We know.

You just heard him, and we know already.

Like, why are you telling me stuff that I already know?

You're.

Paul: 00:37:34

Making some very fair points.

I'm still not moving from town, but you're making some fair points.

Darren: 00:37:38

And then the level of twitchiness, I got every.

It's like.

It's like Weekend at Bernie's, but with Jennifer, it's like, stop dragging that unconscious woman around and leaving her in alleyways or in, like, driveways.

It's like, what?

And that logic of, why did you bring her?

Oh, because of this.

Okay, well, you're in a time machine.

So go back, put it back, and then go back to the time you were heading to.

Anyway.

You have infinite time because you have a time machine.

So that whole storyline wound me up as well.

Yeah, I.

Paul: 00:38:12

Thought that might wind you up.

Darren: 00:38:13

And then this whole, I don't remember, like, Marty and Jennifer being so, like, materialistic.

Like, Marty's like, oh, I know I'm a success, but I'm rich as well.

Right.

Then he's going to threaten the space time continuum and cause chaos because he wants to make a bet, which also frustrates me.

And then when she's like, oh, my God, we're going to see our wedding and our house, and I bet it was so big.

And, oh, we're gonna see our kids and the dress.

But.

Paul: 00:38:36

They're young, Darren.

That.

That's, you know, that's how they think.

They're young and in love.

And.

And.

Darren: 00:38:40

I love.

I love Elizabeth Shoe.

I think she's an amazing actress.

She has so little to do with her character here.

She feels like.

Like a musical theater kid who stumbled into the wrong movie.

This whole.

Like, she's kind of.

It's like.

She's acting like Jack Skellington.

She's like, what's this?

What's this?

There's white stuff everywhere, but it's just futuristic.

Paul: 00:39:00

I think we need to release that album.

Darren: 00:39:03

It's like, oh, bless.

Yeah.

And then there's other little things wound me up.

Like, it felt like, I know I really like the guy who plays Biff.

You'll have to find Thomas F. Wilson of him.

Oh,.

Paul: 00:39:15

Doing his song.

Darren: 00:39:16

Yeah.

Because he went on to be a stand up comedian.

Yeah.

And there's this great song where he's singing about his experiences this.

But it does feel like bullying.

Like the older guy, he's got this old guy cleaning his car and they kind of.

It's like, think you guys don't get to be the dick to the bully.

You gotta be.

You've got to raise above that.

You've got to be nice, you know, you should be supporting him, whatever.

So, yeah, and then it was.

What else bugged the crap out of me.

Paul: 00:39:39

I kind of knew he was gonna do this when I was watching it.

You know, I'm going like, I don't think Darren's gonna like this one.

Darren: 00:39:45

I think like the whole gambling thing, it's like it doesn't work that way.

Like the first time he wins big, particularly with horse riding, because I think that's manufacturing crazy, isn't it?

As soon as you change the timeline, all those details are wrong.

Like you've gone and impacted it.

So you're not going to be able to keep gambling.

Marc: 00:40:03

One big win and that's it.

Darren: 00:40:04

Yeah, that's all he's going to get.

But he's not going to.

He's not going to go, where's he going to get like a million from?

He's going to gamble, what, like a hundred dollars or something for the first one.

So he's not going to be able to win that big.

And then he's going to have to reinvest.

Reinvest and keep going.

But one of those would have lost because the timeline was different.

So it doesn't really make sense.

Also, there's a bit when he's caught in the tunnel and you realize he's got a long way to go.

So he starts moving on the hoverboard, which is about 20% as fast of him sprinting at.

Sprinting for his life.

Paul: 00:40:34

But it looks cool.

Darren: 00:40:36

It didn't.

It was like, dude, just run.

Leave the hoverboard.

Marc: 00:40:38

Create the tension.

Paul: 00:40:39

Yes, yes, tension.

I'm with Mark on that one.

Come on.

That's a masterclass of tension.

When he's trying to get the almanac from Biff and he's in the car in the hole.

Darren: 00:40:49

Then I just thought the whole nobody calls me chicken was just.

I was like, can you grow up?

Didn't you learn that in the first movie?

And then.

So basically I just felt it Lacked the heart of the original.

Paul: 00:40:59

Yes.

Darren: 00:40:59

And it just wasn't as fun.

It was.

Yeah, I get that the comedy was, like, broader, but it didn't, I didn't have fun.

And it actually was kind of depressing in parts.

It was like, that's fair.

You know, when it went to, like, the, the bad future, and I was just like, oh, my God, that feels like what's happening in America now.

Yeah, that feels like what's happening to the White House.

Marc: 00:41:20

Because of Trump.

Darren: 00:41:21

Yeah, exactly.

It's like, gonna.

Paul: 00:41:24

Have the best future.

Oh, man.

Darren: 00:41:27

So, yeah, I, I, I don't know why.

I don't know why.

Paul: 00:41:30

I agree with you.

The whole heart thing.

I feel like the first one lives in a bubble because it has this.

Marc: 00:41:35

Extra.

First one's got a bit more weight to it.

It's a bit more serious, but in a good,.

Paul: 00:41:41

Perfect movie.

And it's the way it hits its beats.

Darren: 00:41:45

The Doc, you didn't have to go back in time to pick up, like, Michael J.

Fox, like Ms. Marty, you didn't have to go back in time again.

You could have just dealt with the fucking issue yourself.

You're the doc and you're a grown adult.

He is a school child.

Marc: 00:41:58

Anywhere else you could have come back, Marty, you too.

I've got you.

I'm glad I've got you together.

Be better fucking parents when you have.

Darren: 00:42:04

Yeah, exactly.

Here's a book on how to parent.

Or go to a stage.

Before that, go to the wedding.

Like, why are you going so far in the future when it's all messed up?

Go to the point where he's gonna have the car accident and screw up his hand and go all depressed because they can't play the guitar anymore.

Like, fix that.

Paul: 00:42:20

Oh, I can't watch this ever again.

So,.

Darren: 00:42:22

Yeah, I'm.

Paul: 00:42:22

Gonna be asking these questions,.

Darren: 00:42:23

But usually I can suspend my disbelief, like, I can with the first one and.

But I think the first one is a masterclass in filmmaking, and I don't think there was enough of that in.

And I'm curious as to why.

I think an element of it is maybe Robert Zemeckis was less hungry because the first one was this kind of breakout film.

We've done that.

Used Cars, but before it.

But this, this came out of nowhere.

This was, I think it was his second film.

Did.

Paul: 00:42:46

He do it after Romantic Stone, though?

Darren: 00:42:47

Oh, maybe.

Paul: 00:42:48

Yeah, that was.

Didn't we say he did Romancing and that kind of put him on the radar?

Yeah,.

Darren: 00:42:52

And then this.

Paul: 00:42:52

One.

Darren: 00:42:52

Maybe.

Then I think there's A little bit of just kind of phoning it in.

He was just like, oh, it's going to make money no matter what.

Paul: 00:42:57

Or maybe it was the sense that they were focused that much on the technical side of the effects.

Darren: 00:43:02

Yeah.

Paul: 00:43:02

That maybe they took their eye off the ball of the part of the thing.

Darren: 00:43:05

Yeah.

And it becomes a little bit more like a.

Like a Saturday Night Live sketch show.

It's like, oh, here's them back in.

Like in the past and now the.

In the future.

Now he's upside down and.

Oh, isn't all this funny?

No, I'm just a bit bored.

Thanks.

Marc: 00:43:18

Fair enough.

Darren: 00:43:19

So I'm really.

I hate doing it to you guys, but.

But I'm in a pretty good place.

I'm pretty happy.

You know, I was watching it in a nice mood.

It just didn't really.

Didn't take for me.

But I also think that it's got.

I mean, you.

What.

You've got to watch all three if you watch the first one.

Paul: 00:43:32

Yeah, yeah.

Darren: 00:43:33

And.

And I'm curious actually, if we.

If I double build it with the third one, whether that would have been.

Paul: 00:43:39

I think that's what kind of evens the trilogy out.

Yes.

Because the third one takes all the.

You've had all the effects and the kind of timeline complication stuff.

In the second one, I think they called it paradox when, you know, like they do the clapper boards and it's like a working time.

I think they called it paradox.

Right.

But then the third one very much goes back to kind of Westerny.

It just kind of puts the Doc and Marty in the western and the comedies a bit more grounded within the situation again, rather than.

Darren: 00:44:06

Yeah.

And it's a clearer genre.

They kind of know what the rules are, whereas this, it kind of bounces around.

I'm like.

I don't quite get.

It's.

Marc: 00:44:12

Because it's the future and they don't know what the future is.

Paul: 00:44:15

Like, it feels like they had the experimental bit of fun of time travel stuff here and then they said, okay, with the third one, let's just go old school.

Well,.

Marc: 00:44:22

I think they're really digging deep into what are the consequences of changing time.

Paul: 00:44:26

Yeah.

Darren: 00:44:26

Yeah.

Marc: 00:44:27

That's what's focused on.

Darren: 00:44:28

But I'm.

Marc: 00:44:29

Going to give.

Darren: 00:44:29

It.

I think it's a solid sequel.

It's.

I like it when people try interesting things.

And it did work.

It was a massive hit, but I didn't.

It didn't work for me.

But also, I prove.

I prove this almost like Empire Strikes Back feel where it's kind of a bummer.

I kind of almost wish it had ended on the bummer part.

So it was like.

And then it kind of fixed it in the sequel.

I don't.

Paul: 00:44:50

Know.

I see.

Darren: 00:44:51

I bounce on lower place because I really feel bad, but I've got to drag it to 3.6.

Marc: 00:44:57

Okay.

So that gives it 23.6, which puts it in 25th.

Darren: 00:45:01

23.6 Is pretty good.

Marc: 00:45:03

Yeah.

Out of 95.

So it's still pretty.

Paul: 00:45:07

Good.

Marc: 00:45:09

So it's just ahead of Remember the Titans and the Devil Wears Prada.

And it's just behind Train Dreams and Predator.

Darren: 00:45:16

Wow.

Jesus.

That's good company.

Marc: 00:45:20

That's what we thought of the movie.

We'd love to know what you thought.

So send us in your opinions, your ratings, or read them out on the show.

What would be a good follow up to this?

Obviously, Back to the Future.

Oh, the first one.

We've done the first.

Oh, in our.

Paul: 00:45:32

Back catalog.

Sorry.

Marc: 00:45:33

Each of our episodes would be worth visiting.

So obviously Back to the Future.

Paul: 00:45:36

Maybe sliding doors in the talk we did about alternate futures and things.

Maybe.

Marc: 00:45:40

I would say,.

Paul: 00:45:41

What was the one?

I'll tell you which one might be quite good.

The one with Justin Timberlake.

I always forget.

Is it in time?

Darren: 00:45:47

Did we have an episode in that one?

Did that one go out?

Paul: 00:45:49

Yeah.

Marc: 00:45:50

Yeah.

It was one of your first choices.

Darren: 00:45:51

Maybe that one.

Lush.

Because.

Paul: 00:45:53

That's all about sort of judging time and.

Darren: 00:45:55

Yeah.

But also palm strings.

Paul: 00:45:56

Oh, yeah.

That's a good call.

Marc: 00:45:57

Cool.

Okay, that takes us into part three, the inbox.

So last week we never actually answered Carlson's question, when is your next Cinema Social going to be?

We just talked about it.

We didn't actually say,.

Paul: 00:46:14

That's so us.

Marc: 00:46:16

We got.

We got distracted.

We're three idiots.

Idiots who are easily distracted.

So we don't actually have a date date, but it's going to be early December.

Paul: 00:46:24

Okay.

Marc: 00:46:25

One of the first couple of weekends in December.

Because obviously we've got to go and watch it.

Then we've got to record the episode.

Then it's going to be edited.

So it'll probably go out right at the end of December.

Paul: 00:46:34

You have no idea, listeners.

It's a whole thing.

It's.

Marc: 00:46:37

A lot of work.

Every week we have to do this.

But obviously adding in a Cinema Social is a fifth episode in the month.

So.

Paul: 00:46:43

Mark just likes making work for himself.

Marc: 00:46:47

Yes, but it's worth it.

Paul: 00:46:47

It's a bonus.

A bonus for you wonderful listeners.

Marc: 00:46:50

People seem to like it.

Do you like it?

Let us know.

Paul: 00:46:52

Yeah.

If you don't like it, cut it out.

Marc: 00:46:55

No, but obviously the.

The cinema socials are taking out a life of their own.

Paul: 00:46:59

So we'll let you know when we know.

Marc: 00:47:00

Yeah.

One of the next episodes we'll figure out a day.

Obviously.

Also the cinema.

I mean, is there any actual Christmas films coming out?

Like brand new Christmas films coming.

Paul: 00:47:08

Out?

Ebenezer.

Darren: 00:47:10

He's a good.

He's a good.

Marc: 00:47:11

Is that a modern take on Scrooge?

Paul: 00:47:13

It's.

Well, it's.

It looks like an old fashioned take on Scrooge.

Marc: 00:47:16

Okay.

Paul: 00:47:17

But Johnny Depp's playing Scrooge.

Marc: 00:47:18

Interesting.

Paul: 00:47:19

That's the only one I've seen sort of ping up.

Anyway,.

Marc: 00:47:21

We'll either go and see whatever the latest Christmas film is or the Alhambra Always show classics.

So we're going to see a classic Christmas film on the big screen.

Paul: 00:47:28

Like Die Hard.

Marc: 00:47:30

Yes, like Die hard, which is 100 A Christmas Film.

Darren: 00:47:33

Yes.

Marc: 00:47:33

It will be early December and we'll let you know whether it's going to be something new or something old.

What else have we got?

So we've heard a message.

This is about.

Ready player one.

Paul: 00:47:43

Okay.

Marc: 00:47:44

Last.

Last episode.

No, two episodes ago now.

I went to see the film at the cinema when it was released and really enjoyed it.

There were so many references to other films that it was hard to get them all.

But now with listening to your show, next time I'm going to watch it, I'm going to look out for them.

I could relate to how the characters interact with each other as being able to become something slash someone else.

For a while, living in the present would be cool.

For a while, being neurodivergent and masking to fit into the world would be made so much EAS being part of the story.

It showed that people do gravitate to what they feel comfortable with.

Just like your show on social events.

It gives people a chance to be themselves.

It was also a very true comment about finding your own path in life and every day just lifting your head and watching the world in its beauty.

That's from Rob Walker.

Paul: 00:48:29

Nice, Rob.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:48:30

So there we go.

Ben Smith messages.

Just.

Just to let us know that he saw Clayface the other night and it was.

It's worth a watch.

But not for the squeamish.

Paul: 00:48:39

I've seen the trailer and the trailer made me squeamish.

So maybe I'll.

Marc: 00:48:43

For.

Paul: 00:48:43

You.

Maybe I'll give it a miss.

Marc: 00:48:44

I'm not sure I'll watch it either.

You would, Darren,.

Darren: 00:48:46

I don't Know, like it came out of nowhere.

And I was like, that looks weird because it looks like it's dc, isn't it?

Paul: 00:48:51

Yeah.

Yeah.

Darren: 00:48:51

So it looks like it's going to be like the Joker is to.

Marc: 00:48:55

Is this a new character or is this a.

Darren: 00:48:56

Clay face?

Paul: 00:48:57

Clay Face is an old character.

So I've, I've seen the Animal, the Batman Animated Series, and I don't know if it was before that or not, but Batman Animated Series did a whole two part episode about Clayface being the baddie and I think it's based on that and it is a really good piece of animation.

But the idea of seeing that animation in reality freaks me out squeamishly.

So.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:49:19

Okay, that was this week's inbox.

If you want to send us a message, you can email us hello, Movies in a Nutshell dot com.

Or message us on our socials and read them out on the show.

So that takes us on to the final part, next week's movie, which is over to Mr. Horn.

Darren: 00:49:33

Oh, yeah, I've just gone.

I know we're pushed for time, so I've just gone for a short one.

And I was clicking through a couple of genre nonsense movies that I think I tend to be Guilty Pleasures.

And I saw this one was 88 minutes.

Paul: 00:49:49

That's why you picked this one?

Yeah,.

Marc: 00:49:51

Only reason they picked it.

Darren: 00:49:52

Totally.

And I wanted something kind of mindless and kind of dumb.

way, so it's called jumper is: 2008

It's a terrible title and it's got Hayden Christensen, Jamie Bell, Sam Jackson, Rachel Bilson, which no one would know, but she's from the O.C.

Paul: 00:50:06

Didn't she marry Hayden Christensen?

Darren: 00:50:08

Oh, that'd be cool if she did.

I.

Paul: 00:50:09

Think she did.

I'm gonna check that.

Darren: 00:50:10

And it's.

It's a.

It's directed by Doug Lyman, who's hit and miss, but you can.

He can really hit it.

Have you seen it?

Jumper?

I've probably watched.

Oh, when did it come out?

2008.

Yeah, like every like 10 years or so.

I'll probably heard of it.

I'd watch.

Marc: 00:50:25

It.

Are you familiar with this?

Paul: 00:50:26

Yeah, I've seen it a few times.

Okay.

Yeah.

Marc: 00:50:28

Of course,.

Paul: 00:50:30

I don't know where it came on my radar, but did I see it in the cinema?

I may have seen in the cinema.

Camera.

Darren: 00:50:35

It's a.

It's one.

It's like.

Yeah, we can talk about it next session.

movies that's trying to be a: 1990

Marc: 00:50:42

Okay,.

Darren: 00:50:43

That can either be a good thing.

Marc: 00:50:44

Or a bad.

Darren: 00:50:45

Thing.

Yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:50:45

We will see, right?

Okay.

t week's movie will be jumper: 2008

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This episode is officially over.

This is Mark saying goodbye.

This.

Darren: 00:51:09

Is Darren saying goodbye.

For now.

Paul: 00:51:10

Time traveling is just too dangerous.

Better that I devote myself and study the other great mystery of the universe, women.

Darren: 00:51:18

I agree entirely.

You.

Marc: 00:51:20

Excellent.

Now that's pretty good.

I thought you were going to stumble from there.

You paused.